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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:28 PM
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There was a whole bunch of anti-gay graffiti scrawled all over my school
today.

To begin with, my school's Gay-straight alliance had celebrated 'Coming Out' day last Tuesday. The night before, they had written stuff in chalk all over the sidewalks (they had permission).

A week passes, and today I return after the schools' fall break to find these hateful messages such as these written all over campus:

Homosexuality is Immoral"

"Boycott Gay Rights"

"Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve."

and various homophobic illustrations of stick figures.

What the fuck right do they have to complain to me? Adam and Eve? What the FUCK? You're in college. STOP BELIEVING IN FAIRY TAILS!

And hey, homosexuality's immoral? But hate speech isn't?

I have one thing to say to these mother fuckers:

FUCK YOU. I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE, AND I AM FUCKING GLAD FOR THAT. FUCKING BIGOTS LIKE YOU ARE LEECHES, YES, LEECHES ON US GOOD PEOPLE. YOU ARE THE PEOPLE KNOWN AS 'BUZZKILLERS'. WHEN YOU GET TO THE PARTY, EVERYONE ELSE LEAVES.

YOU FUCK EVERYTHING UP FOR THE REST OF US. DO US ALL A FAVOR: MOVE OUT TO UTAH AND TAKE A VOW OF CHASTITY. THE LAST THING WE NEED IS MORE BIGOTS RUNNING AROUND.

(end rant)

At first I wanted to write a few things over them (Change Boycott Gay Rights to Boycott Stupidity: Support Gay Rights).

But that isn't the right thing to do.

I don't think that any group was given permission to do this. I wholeheartedly believe that these idiots have the right to say whatever the fuck they want, but I don't think that vandalism is included in the first amendment.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:30 PM
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1. They have problems
Otherwise they wouldn't concern themselves with this.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:37 PM
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4. Im hoping that
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 09:37 PM by Dark
this idiocy will drive more moderate students to our side when they realize just how fucked up these people are.

Our message:

"I'm gay and Jesus loves me too!"

Theirs:

"Homosexuality is immoral".

the second one seems pretty negative to me, but the first one seems positive.
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:42 PM
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10. They're just mad because men don't want them either.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:55 PM
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29. LOL!
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:40 PM
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26. Uh, preacher? The congregation is THAT way.
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 10:41 PM by TechBear_Seattle
I know it feels good to vent with friends, but seriously, we are the choir. Have you considered writing an open letter to the perpetrators and having your school paper publish it?

Added: Uhh... responded to the wrong person. Sorry :hide:
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:43 PM
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27. I did email the school President and Dean of Students.
The school paper's editor does want me to write for the paper. . .

That may not be a bad idea. . .thanks!
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:32 PM
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2. don't sweat it too much
they are a minority...and they know it....hence their behind the back hatred.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:36 PM
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3. I am as straight and white as they come, and
this bites. Boycott stupidity sounds about right. What city or state are you from? How prevalent is this? Why are people angry and what are we missing?
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:43 PM
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11. I'm in Northern Kentucky.
Most people on campus, especially the professors, don't seem to have a problem with homosexuality. It's pretty much an attitude of 'as long as I'm not involved, I don't care.'

But I did see an interesting message in the bathroom:

"Oppose Special Rights for gays (but not basic rights)"

WTF? Marriage isn't a basic right?

I think that these people just hate gays, like KKK members hate blacks. But I don't see that many anti gay people.

Although, I remember last Tuesday I saw a gay guy talking to two girls about how he doesn't like all the over the top, in your face stuff us gays do.

I understand where he's coming from, but I wanted to point out to him that people like him and me would still get beaten up for having a lisp if it wasn't for people like that.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:37 PM
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5. Huh? They had permission to chalk that shit all over the sidewalk?
Sounds like someone's playing fast and loose with their authority.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:38 PM
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7. I don't know if they had permission.
The Gay-straight Alliance DID have permission, but I don't think that those morans did.

But I maybe wrong.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:41 PM
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9. Sorry. Read your post too quickly.
If there aren't any campus hate standards that have been breached, hopefully some will be enacted.
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AmyDeLune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:38 PM
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6. Take pictures and report to the police.
It is vandalism since it was done without permission. It might even qualify as a hate crime...
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:48 PM
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13. What could be done, though?
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 09:50 PM by Dark
I don't think there are security cameras.

Anyways, I didn't have a camera today, but I think I'll bring one tommorrow.

Edit for clarity.

I did send an E-mail to the University President, and one to the Dean of Students. Let's hope I hear back
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Canadian Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:40 PM
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8. I cannot express my disgust at these people
Maybe this might help you. I work and live in a very conservative area (Calgary downtown). Where I work, there is a high school across the street. Every spring, the art students there have free rein on the sidewalks (with the chalk). Their art is beautiful! 5 to 6 city blocks of art on the sidewalk. Can you even imagine? Anyway. I have seen CEOs, lawyers and other 3 piece suiters step around the art work on the sidewalk, stop and look and comment. No one wrecks the artwork; no one scuffs across the chalk drawings. No one vandalises the artwork of these young people. Even the crack heads (there is a crack park across from the high school) respect the art. Now, I ask you, how hard was that? Everyone should enjoy art and freedom of expression. Again, I am telling you... this is one of the MOST conservative areas in Canada.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:47 PM
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12. That does sound beautiful.
I fully support these gay bashers right to say what they want.

I'm angry at them for defacing my University's property. And I'm angry that they're message is so full of hate. . and bullshit.
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Canadian Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:56 PM
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16. I missed the part that they were in University
Now, I am really really pissed off. Are they not supposed to be adults? Oh, wait... you're in the states. Up here, a person is an adult (can vote, drink etc.) when they hit 18. I don't care. What the hell is wrong with them?
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:18 PM
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20. I'm not really sure.
I never understood the whole anti-gay thing. Even when I was a fundamentalist, I still couldn't understand why people hated gays. It wasn't like they were criminals or anything.

I never did understand it, and still don't.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:52 PM
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14. Truly a drag. But sounds like it could have been....
one or two people with a lot of time ( and no small amount of emotional disturbance) on their hands.

Point is: the graffiti may not represent more than a tiny percentile in your community. My experience is that most heteros don't care much about, and don't think much about gay people.

A more common pose is subtle condescension and insistence on stereotypes which, though troublesome, don't exactly put one in physical danger.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:55 PM
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15. I don't think I'm in any physical danger.
But it is still infuriating that these people would be so disrespectful of not just me, but of my fellow students to deface the University's property.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:07 PM
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17. you have given them the responses they want.
anger, rage, insecurity, the whole thing. kinda like the nazi christians did to the jews in germany.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:15 PM
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18. Anger and rage yes,
but what was I supposed to feel?

They defaced the university with hateful, spiteful language.

I don't feel insecure, though. I'm not worried about being beaten up. But I can't help but feel angry that someone would have the sheer disrespect to do this on the university's property!
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:45 PM
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28. way to blame the victim
Yeah. And when a woman is raped, when she cries do you tell her that she 'gave them the response that they wanted?'

No, what they want is for gay people to be AFRAID and HUMILIATED not PISSED OFF and ready to FIGHT BACK.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:17 PM
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19. Sounds like you got a lot of closet cases at your school.
What a bunch of jerks. :puke:
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:35 PM
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24. If the people who wrote this crap are gay,
then I pity them, I really do.

I used to be a closet case too.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:24 PM
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21. Right and Wrong
Our society is torn over this matter. As we learn more of our nature we uncover more forms of injustice that we have perpetrated. We strive to right these things as we discover them.

But the trouble is that not all people are on the same page in this process. Many have beleifs that contain fixed notions of right and wrong. They resist the forward progress of our society.

As society progresses the distance between its understanding of right and wrong becomes increasingly removed from these fixed beliefs. In time it can become unbearable for those that truly believe. They find their society becoming corrupt and evil.

And that is the thing of it. They truly believe such things are evil. Their sense of loss is so great they have given up on the social contract and have decided to take power as they can. They see no alternative other than to try to force their beliefs on others.

It is cultural war.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:37 PM
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25. I think you have some good points.
But I also think that it is just fear of what people don't understand. They don't understand how someone could be attracted to someone of the same gender, and that scares them.
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kweerwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:31 PM
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22. Incidents like this usually happen ...
... when there are a lot of "gay issues" in the news. The publicity about Coming Out Day no doubt made these dim Neanderthals think it might be a good idea to paint anti-gay slogons. Traditionally, June (Gay Pride Month) and October (Gay History Month/Coming Out Day) have the highest incidents of hate crimes.

In the best of all possible worlds, the university would denounce the perpetrators and make efforts to find and prosecute them. I truly hope the university administration will take some steps toward addressing this.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:33 PM
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23. The administration, in my experience, has been pretty progressive,
for a red state school. Nonetheless, I don't expect much action on their part. They'll just give out the usual 'it's a travesty' line and get on with their lives.
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 03:37 PM
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36. I know how that goes (all too well!)
call the GLBT advocacy group in Kentucky. http://www.kentuckyfairness.org /

At the very least, they probably will want to document what happened for their own files. In fact, it could be a good issue for them to send out to their members to let them know what's going on in other parts of the state.

Call the press. If you get no response from your local press, take the next step. Try the advocate- they're always looking for short stories from the states. People need to know that this is happening.

Graffiti alone may appear to be "just vandalism." Unfortunately, it is SO much bigger than that. It hurts a lot of people, from the closeted professor to the high school seniors looking at the school for next year to the out activists on campus.

And worst: Graffiti is just one step in a process... it's usually not the final product. If the hate isn't brought to light, it will fester quietly, unspoken, amongst the population of a city, town, or even university community.

Take care, and feel free to PM me if I can be of any help.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:52 PM
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30. You make a good point
Hate speech is just as immoral and wrong. Ugh. I get so tired of these people who do shit like that. *Sigh* :( It's so sad.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:24 AM
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33. Especially if they are closet cases.
That REALLY sucks. I know from personal experience.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:56 PM
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31. My response to "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.":
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 12:07 AM by MercutioATC
"And look where THAT got us..."


Wasn't it Adam and Eve that got mankind kicked out of paradise?
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:13 AM
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32. Good one!
Oh, how I wish I had a dark(er) side! Or a bottle of rum!

Then I'd teach those half wits a thing or two about witticisms.
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 03:20 PM
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35. I'm telling my neighbor that one.
He's a homosexual.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:28 AM
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34. Now where have we heard this BS before?
:: cough :: WBC :: cough ::
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