Did Kerry know this was coming down?

[Darkhawk32]

Perhaps he knew or at least had a feeling that all of this was going to happen. Considering he used to be a prosecutor, I'd say it's highly likely.

I think, just my humble opinion, if he won the Presidency, great, but if he didn't then he felt that if he bowed out gracefully and let Bush, Frist, Delay and the rest of them go up in flames, then there would be permanent damage done to the Republican party.

Just a thought I had. Feel free to call me full of shit if you like.


Edit: spelling

[Cocoa]

1. he seems close to Joe Wilson

and Wilson seems to know a lot. He named Rove very early on, and Larry Johnson named Scooter very early on. I think a lot of people knew a lot about this case.

[blm]

16. Unfortunately the media allowed GOP to attack Wilson as a campaign hack

out to hurt Bush's re-election. They KNEW Rove outed Plame but instead chose to let the GOP operatives attack Wilson as a liar working for Kerry.

I would guess that Kerry wouldn't make a move to mess up this case for Wilson or for the good it will do in the long run.

That's the only silver lining I can see in this. Katrina allowed more eyes to open BEFORE this case heated up.

BushInc's failures were TOO apparent and even their usually complicit media couldn't spin it for them. The cameras wouldn't let them.

Too bad it had to get that drastic.

[babylonsister]

2. I don't know if he knew, but I'll bet he's not too unhappy about it! nt

[ed murrow]

3. Did Kerry know this was coming down?

I do agree taht if we give them enough rope they will hang themselves

[FreedomAngel82]

9. Who knows?

If he's close to Wilson than it could be possible. In some ways I am sad they stole another election and still pissed off, but if Bush did lose the election they wouldn't be getting this justice probably and people will still believe Bush was a great president and all that crap. Plus, Kerry would have a House and Senate republican majority. Hopefully if things go our way in 2006 we will gain back the majority in both the House and Senate and hold real hearings on everything and than we can impeach Bush and put Nancy Pelosi as president.

[Rosco T.]

4. I've felt that also....

Perhaps it was more important to destroy the NeoCon movement by letting them go on and then pick up the pieces, rather than have them biting at him for 4 years...

[cynatnite]

5. He called them criminals and liars, IIRC...

was picked up by cameras.

I think most of the Dem leadership knew with enough rope they'd hang themselves.

[Island Blue]

12. Roll the Kerry tape

http://www.streamload.com/damfa/crook_lying.mp3

I'm not sure when he said it, but he knows of what he speaks.

[Jawja]

6. I agree with you on this.

I thought this too when he left the stage quickly and quietly.

Imagine having inherited this terrible war and what the MSM would have done to him? Leaving Nero and his Gang of Thugs to clean up the mess and to later have to answer for their crimes was NOT the worst decision he made, IMHO.

It would have been a relentless and nonstop attack on the part of the GOP and the MSM, just like they did to Clinton.

Perhaps after the dust has settled from all of this, the media problem will be addressed and those who failed to inform the public in an honest and balanced way will fall by the wayside.

One can hope!

[Blue_Roses]

7. Remember during the election when Kerry said

"off camera" that this is one of the most corrupt bunch of people...

It was priceless and all the repubs cried--"Kerry should apologize,"

[Island Blue]

13. I posted in for your listening pleasure ...

see #12 above.

[INdemo]

14. If you remember ..

His poll numbers went way up after he said that..I think he should have just kept on talking about how corrupt the Repubs were..I loved it...

[mcg]

20. "These guys are the most crooked.. lying group I've ever seen. It's scary"

Kerry replied: "Let me tell you, we've just begun to fight. We're going to keep pounding. These guys are the most crooked, you know, lying group I've ever seen. It's scary."

http://www.nbc4i.com/news/2913861/detail.html

I was thinking about this recently too, maybe he knew more than we did, and that might partly explain why he folded so quickly. Kind of like how Obi-Wan Kenobi sacrificed himself. At the time it was the thing that freaked me out the most about the election.

[NVMojo]

8. well, this whole DeLay crap was under the microscope a year ago

during the summer before the presidential election ...so was the Plame thing ...and many other CORRUPT bush admin policies ... It takes time for things to reach their full potential ...but if you've prosecuted cases ...you know that ...

[still_one]

10. I won't give you hassle, but I will give Kerry hassle

he had his chance, and he wimped out. If he was more passionate like Dean was during the campaign, or even when he was before congress in the 70s on Viet Nam it would have been different.

He acted as though he didn't really want to be president, and he should have made room for Dean, Clark, Edwards, or someone else.

Because of his loss women now will probably lose the right to choose, civil rights will be eroded, and corporations will run the country.

[azmesa207]

15. Kerry knew

I really don't care if Kerry knew or not as far as I am concerned
He quit and now should be considered a looser .

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[texpatriot2004]

11. I think he knew that they would cheat again in '04 but what could

be done about it at that time? The "election" system was already in place. I think he ran a hell of a campaign and packed people in all over this nation. I agree. I think he knew. I think he knew what and who he was dealing with. Kerry's a honorable man, a decent man, an experienced prosecutor (the only one to take on Iran-Contra) and he's a soldier, an experienced fighter. Yes, I think Kerry knew; he's much smarter than this bunch of thugs.

[still_one]

18. repsectfully, he could fight

for the last 6 years most of the democrats in congress have only rubber stamped this administration

It is only recently, that they have begun to take a stand since the polls indicate * is down

Of course I am NOT including Boxer, Kucinich, and others in Congress, or Dean, Clark, Paul Hacket etc.

It doesn't matter whether I agree with someone on every issue, but if they don't even fight, or at a minimum act as an opposition party it is pathetic

The Democrats need real fighters

[helderheid]

21. His wife knew. If she knew, he knew.

[KoKo]

19. Mine eyes have seen the Glory of the Coming of the Kerry....Look Away

Look Away...Look Away, Mr. Kerry....

Who would have wanted this job. Only a person ready to Prosecute and Rescind every Bush Executive Order since the "Selection." Only a person UP TO THE GREAT CHALLENGE..of going at Bush the way he came in and to Executive order Reprimand EVERYTHING the CHIMP has done.

A BOLD Democratic President who didn't wait for the 2006 Elections. One who played "Hard Ball" like Bush but could Stablize the Country until we got a Dem Congress in Place.

It would have taken someone with ENORMOUS CHARISMA, CHUTZPAH, SAVY and BALLS....We just didn't have a Dem Candidate Roster who could come up to that. Kerry has lost his "OOMPh" and he wanted a "tidier situation" to come in to. The others wimped out.

Who is to blame? Our DNC/DLC Apparatus Party Structure...who REFUSE to TAKE CHANCES. I can't totally blame Kerry. He gave it a run. But when a Dem Candidate doesn't have support from the Party Apparatchniks and the MACHINE we folks in the Grassroots can't be expected to pull them over into winning territory. Expecially since the Grassroots Activists were AGAINST THE VOTE FOR IRAQ RESOLUTION. We worked our butts off...but we didn't hold the strings to the "Money Bags."

[hvn_nbr_2]

22. Sometimes I wonder if the Dem leadership is doing the old rope-a-dope

but most of the time I doubt it.