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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:24 PM
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What did Valerie Plame uncover that they wanted to stop dead
could the reason for taking such a bold move to out a CIA agent stop something dead in its tracks. Someone at the coffee shop was talking about this? Is there something else we should know about and that it wasn't simply a conspiracy against Wilson? :tinfoilhat:
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:28 PM
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1. Plame and her people I believe were investigating
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 05:41 PM by ...of J.Temperance
The movement of WMD from country to country...I think inter-East European countries if I remember.

Plame was in charge of looking for REAL WMD and the middle men who traffic them. She had some front company set up, Brewster Jennings and I wonder how many of her contacts ending up being murdered when her cover was blown.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:31 PM
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3. 70?
I read somewhere that but what else I wonder
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:41 PM
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7. Info on Brewster Jennings Associates (Plames front company)
NOTE THE MENTION OF ISRAEL AND PAKISTAN as being the main countries that were receiving these black market WMD and that Plame was getting too close, too close to revealing Bush Inc. and their DIRTY little Likud and Musharraf partners.

http://www.answers.com/topic/brewster-jennings-associat...

Valerie Plame obviously was getting too near to finding out WHO the middle men were and are, and I think that was the real reason the Bush bastards blew her cover and yes I remember reading the contact death was somewhere between 70-82.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:43 PM
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9. interesting and the plot really thickens
this is getting juicy?
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:47 PM
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10. Yes, and one can see why Judy Miller was involved, considering she's
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 05:53 PM by ...of J.Temperance
An Israeli Likud Government American spy, along with Bolton, Feith and Perle. Their bosses in Tel Aviv were going to get busted by Brewster Jennings Associates.

Remember during the election, when Bush Inc. blew the cover of that Pakistani double agent, he'd gone under cover with al-Qaeda and he was taking names...his cover was blown for the SAME reason as Plame's was. He was getting TOO close to finding out WHO the middle men were. So now he's in protective custody and his career is completely over, ditto Plame's.

Bush Inc. are obviously business partners with WHOEVER al-Qaeda are, it's that old, long-standing business stuff with the Bin-Laden Group again. It's follow the money, who benefits from these terror attacks, real or fake? Bush Inc. and so there's your culprit.



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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:58 PM
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12. Mohammad Naeem Noor Khan, here's an article about his cover blown
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 06:01 PM by ...of J.Temperance
This is the Pakistani fellow that Bush Inc. blew the cover of, an article about it from the Christian Science Monitor...shades of Valerie Plame 'eh?

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0809/dailyUpdate.html

Oh and Noor Khan's cover was blown by Bush Inc. to The New York Times...Judy Miller involved we wonder?
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:49 PM
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25. hmmmmm seems to have open a can of worms!
what about 9/11? Bin Laden etc
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:27 PM
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20. Is there any way that this
number of dead due to the Plame outing would be made public?

Would this come out in a trial - if it were to happen?
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:49 PM
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23. I think it would have to come from Valerie Plame herself
She would have a list of who her contacts were.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:54 PM
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27. I guess it would be classified
like the Saudi bit in the 911 commission?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:51 PM
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30. Maybe this is part of what they are saying was redacted from
something the judge(s) read??
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:30 PM
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2. never considered that plot twist
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:32 PM
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4. I have always thought it had to do with a "smoking gun"
of somebody (Saudi princeling, Bush or Halliburton functionary, oil company person) laundering money for terrorists.

Given
    1) Her "Brewster Jennings" "Brass plate" oil company cover
    2) Craig Unger's "House of Bush, House of Saud..."
    3) The missing pages from the 9/11 Commission Report
    4) The mysterious flights of the Saudis right after 9/11
    5) My own knowledge and experience of the "energy" industry, and
    6) My own basic paranoia, distrust of "Big Oil", distrust of the Saudis, and distrust of the Bush dynasty
I don't think a terrorist money laundering "smoking gun" is totally irrational.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:34 PM
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5. Her husband was in a possition to put 2 + 2 together and realize
the neocons were delusional or liars. He figured out they were wrong.
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:38 PM
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6. They found out that BushCo were trying to PLANT WMD...
...to justify their pet war in Iraq, and the Wilsons and probably the higher-ups at the CIA weren't going to stand for that. Since Mr. and Ms. Wilson weren't going to play the Bush game, the White House set out to destroy both of them, which they handily did by outing her and shutting down her entire operation. The Bush people thought they could easily get away with all this, but they thought wrong.

This is the only explanation that covers everything. It also relies on the fewest assumptions. Therefore, by Occam's Razor, it is the best explanation for the whole sordid affair.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:32 PM
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21. this sounds like the most likely scenario. I thought I read...
that there was some plot to plant them intercepted at a port in Iraq. I'll have to google it and find out.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:38 PM
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22. kick for your post n/t
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:52 PM
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26. will Fitz investigate this too?
I just couldn't fathom the story about them framing Wilson. I read his book but he doesn't mention anything about it (obviously).
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 10:53 AM
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35. I'm sure he's looking at this
The media explanation for why Rove would out Plame NEVER made a lick of sense to me. I'm pretty sure this scandal is only a chapter in a sordid story that is far worse than we can ever imagine. (And with this gang of thugs, I can imagine pretty bad.)
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 11:04 AM
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36. Is there also a law against interference of intelligence (not just leaks)
If this is the case (not just a plain leak) then surely they were interfering with CIA operations and harming the nation's security. Is there any legal aspect to this?
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 11:11 AM
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37. I think a case could be made for "providing aid and comfort...
to the enemy," which is the very definition of treason. BushCo's would have to resort to some mind-shattering pretzel logic to explain why this isn't treason in a time of "war".
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:41 PM
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8. Her front company Brewster Jennings was monitoring Arab oil dealing
http://sparky-mcgruff.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/3/1...

According to several news articles, her CIA front company was performing an invaluable service in monitoring Saudi Arabian oil dealing including Aramco which has connections to Bush family investments and Cheney's Halliburton deals.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:51 PM
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11. The CIA is highly compartmentalized. People in adjacent offices ...
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 05:57 PM by TahitiNut
... could be completely ignorant of the substance of each other's assignments. This partitioning and compartmentalization extends all the way to the top and all the way out to the field. Besides partitioning and compartmentalization, they're stratified. The very identity of field agents is scrubbed and replaced with coded identities as information is analyzed and assembled.

In the Bushoilini Regime's attempt to corrupt and defraud intelligence to conform with their pre-ordained foreign objectives, the CIA was including information that was contrary to the fraudulent data they were sowing in the field. The largest source of that information was a network of NOC's and their contacts operating under the cover of Brewster Jennings which had been developed and in place for years working effectively on Nuclear Non-Proliferation issues.

I believe this is what Cheney confronted when he was making his frequent visits to the CIA. I believe this network is what the Bushoilinis wiped out by the exposure of Plame. The field is now clear for many years in the future for fraudulent intelligence planted by global corporatists who profit from a wide variety of weapons trade, petrochemical control, 'friendly' dictators, and strife and unrest in strategic parts of the world.

Let's be clear: they succeeded! They destroyed the non-sycophantic intelligence-gathering network. They now have far more control over what gets known and what gets believed. If, in the future, the US has a President that's not a complete puppet to these people, then that President can still be controlled by managing what (s)he knows. Remember ... Bill Clinton was also under the impression that Iraq had WMDs ... even though he tempered that opinion by the contradictory information which we now know was coming at least in part from the BJ&A/Plame network. Remember, the IAEA under el Baradei had to wade through the falsehoods and disintel to confirm a negative: that Iraq had no WMDs.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:25 PM
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19. Probably the best (simplest) take on it I've heard.
I've done a lot of chin-stroking on this trying to figure it out. Good observation!

Thanks,
-Hoot
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:01 PM
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28. this is worrisome as this country's intelligence is at stake
after all the calls from Bush for fighting against terrorism and keeping our country safe, these rogues have been completely undermining intelligence operations.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:28 PM
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29. That's how I see it. It seems the efforts of over 30 years are completed.
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 09:29 PM by TahitiNut
Perhaps it began with the Bay of Pigs or that November day in Dallas or when Poppy Bush became Director of the CIA. Perhaps it even began with the Dulles brothers at the very beginning of the CIA. I don't know. I do remember very clearly feeling a chill in the days following the fall of the Soviet Union when the discussion were more public regarding the mission of the CIA being refocused on commercial and economic interests rather than Cold War interests. Regardless, I find the whole "Plame Affair" to be far more about the CIA and privateer control over its activities than mere political revenge against a rather obscure former ambassador.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:12 PM
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31. It's one thing to have intelligence
but corrupted intelligence isn't acceptable
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:06 PM
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13. this might help you understand from a whistle blower
from my extensive files on this...


http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a510.htm

snip:

CIA and DOD Attempted To Plant WMD In Iraq June 20, 2003

Pentagon Whistleblower Reveals CIA/ DoD Fiascos

DOD whistleblower detail an attempt by a covert U.S. team to plant weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The team was later killed by friendly fire due to CIA incompetence

In a world exclusive, Al Martin Raw.com has published a news story about a Department of Defense whistleblower who has revealed that a US covert operations team had planted Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMDs) in Iraq then lost them when the team was killed by so-called friendly fire.

The Pentagon whistleblower, Nelda Rogers, is a 28-year veteran debriefer for the Defense Department. She has become so concerned for her safety that she decided to tell the story about this latest CIA-military fiasco in Iraq.

According to Al Martin Raw.com, Ms.Rogers is number two in the chain of command within this DoD special intelligence office. This is a ten-person debriefing unit within the central debriefing office for the Department of Defense.

The information that is being leaked out is information obtained while she was in Germany heading up the debriefing of returning service personnel, involved in intelligence work in Iraq for the Department of Defense and/or the Central Intelligence Agency.

fly

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:09 PM
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15. more on whistle blower..
from my files..fly


http://www.americanpolitics.com/20040420Baker.html

snip:

CIA and DoD Attempted To Plant WMDs in Iraq -- and Failed
July 2, 2003
Pentagon Whistleblower Reveals CIA/DoD Fiascos

According to a stunning report posted by a retired Navy Lt. Commander and 28-year veteran of the Defense Department, the Bush administration's assurance about finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was based on a CIA plan to "plant" WMDs inside the country. Nelda Rogers, the Pentagon whistleblower, claims the plan failed when the secret mission was mistakenly taken out by "friendly fire."

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/06/266752.shtml

A DoD whistleblower details an attempt by a covert US team to plant weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The team was later killed by friendly fire due to CIA incompetence.

In a world exclusive, Al Martin Raw.com (http://www.almartinraw.com /)has published a news story about a Department of Defense whistleblower who has revealed that a US covert-operations team had planted "Weapons of Mass Destruction" (WMDs) in Iraq, then "lost" them when the team was killed by so-called "friendly fire."

The Pentagon whistleblower, Nelda Rogers, is a 28-year veteran debriefer for the Defense Department. She has become so concerned for her safety that she decided to tell the story about this latest CIA-military fiasco in Iraq.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:13 PM
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17. a little more about whistle blower..this was kept very quiet...at the time
http://www.motherjones.com/news/dailymojo/2003/08/we_53...


snip:

Fake WMD:

Here's my August dive off the deep end. This little story managed to make the out-of-bounds rounds. It seems to have started at what looks like a conspiracy website, almartinraw.com. The url I have for this one is a Pakistani paper, but it also appeared via Yahoo and elsewhere. It begins:


"According to a stunning report posted by a retired Navy Lt Commander and 28-year veteran of the Defense Department (DoD), the Bush administration's assurance about finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was based on a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) plan to 'plant' WMDs inside the country. Nelda Rogers, the Pentagon whistleblower, claims the plan failed when the secret mission was mistakenly taken out by 'friendly fire,' the Environmentalists Against War report.
Nelda Rogers is a 28-year veteran debriefer for the DoD. She has become so concerned for her safety that she decided to tell the story about this latest CIA-military fiasco in Iraq. According to Al Martin Raw.com, 'Ms Rogers is number two in the chain of command within this DoD special intelligence office. This is a ten-person debriefing unit within the central debriefing office for the Department of Defense.'"

I was unable to google up anything else at all about Nelda Rogers, so the odds are this is the worst sort of balderdash, but we all have our weaknesses - and the CIA track record for weird plots is such (remember those poisoned cigars that were supposed to take down Castro?) and the need to find wmd in Iraq is such that I couldn't help but wonder. In any case, it seems to me I should be allowed one freebie from Mars this overheated summer.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:17 PM
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32. were we this bad in World war 2?
why isn't anyone questioning this? Surely Congress have access to this info?
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:09 PM
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14. My money is on Brewster Jennings having some major dirt on AQ Khan...
... and Smirk forbid anyone should dare cast our "close friend" Pakistan (koff) in a negative light...
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:12 PM
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16. Start here.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:55 PM
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24. WOW!
extensive!
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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:21 PM
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18. That along with who forged the Niger documents are certainly
the keys to this riddle.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:21 PM
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33. who forged the Niger documents?
who?
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:31 PM
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34. Why haven't Democrats questioned why Plame.s name was leaked?
This is crucial to our nation's security?
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