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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:37 PM
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How Do WE Know That BushCO Knew They Were LYING About the WMD? >>>
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Because once they actually got into Iraq, they did absolutely nothing to secure the nuclear sites that we already knew about. They allowed looters to ransack the known nuclear facilities, sites which had already been inspected and secured by the IAEA. So while George and Dick and Condi were trying to frighten us with the spectre of dirty bombs in American cities, they did absolutely nothing to protect us from them. They just didn't care. Securing WMD was never the objective. It was all LIES.

Remember Tuwaitha!



http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A39500-2003Aug...

In an interview with the New York Times published Sept. 6, Card did not mention the WHIG but hinted at its mission. "From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August," he said.

<snip> The day after publication of Card's marketing remark, Bush and nearly all his top advisers began to talk about the dangers of an Iraqi nuclear bomb.


Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair conferred at Camp David that Saturday, Sept. 7, and they each described alarming new evidence. Blair said proof that the threat is real came in "the report from the International Atomic Energy Agency this morning, showing what has been going on at the former nuclear weapon sites." Bush said "a report came out of the . . . IAEA, that they were six months away from developing a weapon. I don't know what more evidence we need."



http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/08/iraq.debate /

Rice acknowledged that "there will always be some uncertainty" in determining how close Iraq may be to obtaining a nuclear weapon but said, "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."



http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/2002100...

Knowing these realities, America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud. - G. Bush, 10/7/02



http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/6068775.htm

Looting of Iraqi nuclear facility indicts U.S. goals
If we feared the loss of radioactive materials, why not guard them?
TRUDY RUBIN
Knight Ridder Newspapers
Posted on Thu, Jun. 12, 2003

TUWAITHA, Iraq - On a dusty road, just outside of Baghdad, lies one of the great mysteries of the Iraq war.

<snip> The administration knew full well what was stored at Tuwaitha. So how is it possible that the U.S. military failed to secure the nuclear facility until weeks after the war started? This left looters free to ransack the barrels, dump their contents, and sell them to villagers for storage.

How is it possible that, according to Iraqi nuclear scientists, looters are still stealing radioactive isotopes? The Tuwaitha story makes a mockery of the administration's vaunted concern with weapons of mass destruction. The U.S. military hastened to secure the Ministry of Oil in Baghdad from looters. But Iraq's main nuclear facility was apparently not important enough to get similar protection.

<snip> And why, in facilities other than Location C, is the looting apparently continuing? Hisham Abdel Malik, a Iraqi nuclear scientist who lives near Tuwaitha and has been inside the complex, told me that in buildings "where there are radioactive isotopes, there is looting every day." He says the isotopes, which are in bright silver containers, "are sold in the black market or kept in homes." According to IAEA spokeswoman Melissa Fleming, such radioactive sources can kill on contact or pollute whole neighborhoods.



http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20030716_19...
U.N. in Dark About Looted Iraq Dirty Bomb Material
July 16
By Louis Charbonneau

VIENNA (Reuters) - The U.N. nuclear watchdog said Wednesday it had accounted for most of the low-grade uranium lost during looting at Iraq's main nuclear facility, but had no information about more dangerous radioactive material.

<snip> But an IAEA spokeswoman said the agency had not been permitted by U.S. occupation authorities to check the status of Tuwaitha's stocks of highly-radioactive cesium-137, cobalt-160 and other materials which could be used in dirty bombs.

"There were around 400 of these radioactive sources stored at Tuwaitha," IAEA's Melissa Fleming said.

Witnesses have said that villagers near Tuwaitha, especially children, have shown symptoms of radiation sickness.

"Any case of radiation sickness would probably be from these highly-radioactive sources, not from the low-grade natural uranium at Location C," Fleming said.<more>



http://www.counterpunch.org/schwarz07172003.html
July 17, 2003
Bush's Pre-emptive Strike Doctrine
The Bane of Non-Proliferation Watchdogs
By MARTIN SCHWARZ

<snip> Bush's use of the specter of nuclear threat to legitimate his intimidation policy can also been seen as just another excuse if reports from occupied post-war Iraq are taken into account. When the reports about massive looting in Iraq's biggest nuclear facility Al-Tuwaitha emerged after the war, the U.S. administration rejected the IAEA's request to send inspectors to that facility for more than a month. El-Baradei didn't even get an answer to his letters to U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell. Meanwhile, strange things must have happened in Al-Tuwaitha: The IAEA in Vienna received several phone calls from U.S. soldiers based at the facility to secure it, who didn't know what to do with nuclear material they had found. <more>



http://www.sierrasun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200...
July 18, 2003
Bush's actions don't match the rhetoric
Guest Column by Kirk Caraway

<snip> Turn back the clock to the before the war. You "know" your enemy has 100-500 tons of chemical weapons, and you know where he is likely hiding them. Wouldn't you try to secure those sites as quickly as possible? After all, these chemical weapons posed a major threat to our advancing troops, and the big danger, they said, was if these fall into the hands of terrorists.

So why wasn't this done? Special Forces teams were flown into Iraq to secure the oil fields, but not the weapons. That speaks volumes about what the real reason for the war is.

And those weapons are still missing. Rumsfeld claims they are doing their best to search all those sites, but this is disconcerting. How many days have his 150,000 soldiers had to search the sites they already know about?

And what about the nukes? If Bush and his people really thought that Iraq had an active nuclear weapons program, why did the military wait for more than a week after taking over the region to even visit the country's main nuclear research facilities at Tuwaitha?

Why did they wait even longer to visit the neighboring Baghdad Nuclear Research Facility? Both sites were heavily looted, so if there were plans for a nuclear bomb or even some weapons-grade material, it would be long gone by now. <more>



http://observer.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,10564...
Saddam's nuclear arsenal? A scattering of yellow powder
Villagers sell deadly uranium to the US army at $3 a barrel
Patrick Graham in Al Mansia
Sunday October 5, 2003
The Observer

Dhia Ali makes a throwing motion as he tells how he dumped out the blue barrels of powder. The nine-year-old and his brother, Hussein, weren't looking for weapons of mass destruction when they went into the low brown buildings, known to UN weapons inspectors as Location C, near his home last April. They just wanted the blue barrels.

The yellow cake powder they poured out and breathed into their lungs - a form of natural uranium - was part of the nuclear programme which, the Iraq Survey Group's recent report claims, somewhat vaguely, was being restarted before the last war. The report won't do much for Dhia or Hussein - they haven't even been examined by a doctor yet.

<snip> The report's claim that Iraq was revamping its nuclear programme in such a way that it could constitute any serious threat was described as 'ridiculous' by the scientist. By 1991, when the he left the programme, Iraq had succeeded in producing no more than one kilogram of enriched uranium - 6 to 14 kgs short of a bomb. By 1997, the programme had been exposed and most of its capabilities destroyed. <more>


Another repost. It's all coming around again!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:48 PM
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1. I didn't realize war is a "product" to be "marketed"
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:54 PM
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2. That's what the WHIG was for - to market the war to you and me.
By any means necessary, apparently.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:03 PM
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4. And you know the moment that sticks in my mind?
Bush, at the PC, joking about looking for WMDs.
"No, not under here...heh heh"
The ULTIMATE mockery of the American people
happened in that moment, as troops were dying.
Troops sent to war on a manufacted LIE.
BHN
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:08 PM
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5. A shameless, baldfaced lie that they didn't even try to cover up.
They didn't even go through the motions. Another big FU from BushCO to Americans.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:12 PM
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9. That's what I am saying- THAT moment was the FU in my mind
It was so callous, so blatant- so pathological.
I hope Fitz exposes it all.
Let's hear what moronic freepers have to say then.
BHN
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:11 PM
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16. Jesus! That was so sick! Wasn't it his Daddy who referred to the
Troops as 'cannon fodder'? The whole Bush family are pure evil! Imagine a Dem. President doing the same (never would happen), the Corporate Media would have played it more times than they did the Dean 'scream'!
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:13 PM
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18. That will be his sick legacy.
Making a mockery of the WMD "search" with this insidious "comedy routine."
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:11 PM
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20. Macabre when youthink about it...
Completely more chilling than anything
Hitchcock ever thought up...
Down right pathological when you
think about all that is being revealed now
thanks to Fitz.
BHN
:scared:
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:21 PM
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21. Macabre, and a big "F-YOU" to the troops, their families, and the world.
It is the most disturbing thing I will remember from all of the BS bush has said.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:00 AM
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33. It disturbed me SO much that I called the White House the next day.
I called the comment line and asked if the President
was under psychiatric care as his "routine" was
clearly indicative of a person who needed help.
BHN
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:06 PM
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27. Don't forget all the whores laughing at that routine.
Never forgive them.
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:58 PM
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3. Their lips moved?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:10 PM
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:11 PM
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8. Ooh, you beat me by a micro-second!
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:21 PM
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31. I should read the replies before I reply
You beat me to it.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:10 PM
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7. Their lips were moving? n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:40 PM
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:13 PM
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10. What was the the nuclear matter at Tuwaitha for?
How come Bush didn't jump on this site to justify war? Then again, Cesium can be used for non-weapon purposes.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:18 PM
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11. Nuclear energy. Abandoned weapons programs discontinued w/ UN supervision.
The IAEA had the materials sealed in barrels, labeled and secured.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:22 PM
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13. So Tuwaitha nuclear material was leftover from 1991?
I thought that the Republicans would have seized on the opportunity to finding any nukes as an excuse to justify war
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:27 PM
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14. More than that >
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A35498-2003Apr...

U.S. Has Not Inspected Iraqi Nuclear Facility
Site That Contained Uranium Was Looted After War

By Barton Gellman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, April 25, 2003; Page A14

KUWAIT CITY, April 24 -- Nearly three weeks after U.S. forces reached Iraq's most important nuclear facility, the Bush administration has yet to begin an assessment of whether tons of radioactive material there remain intact, according to military officials here and in Washington.

Before the war began last month, the vast Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Center held 3,896 pounds of partially enriched uranium, more than 94 tons of natural uranium and smaller quantities of cesium, cobalt and strontium, according to reports compiled through the 1990s by inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Immensely valuable on the international black market, the uranium was in a form suitable for further enrichment to "weapons grade," the core of a nuclear device. The other substances, products of medical and industrial waste, emit intense radiation. They have been sought, officials said, by terrorists seeking to build a so-called dirty bomb, which uses conventional explosives to scatter dangerous radioactive particles.

Defense officials acknowledge that the U.S. government has no idea whether any of Tuwaitha's potentially deadly contents have been stolen, because it has not dispatched investigators to appraise the site. What it does know, according to officials at the Pentagon and U.S. Central Command, is that the sprawling campus, 11 miles south of Baghdad, lay unguarded for days and that looters made their way inside.

Tuwaitha is headquarters of Iraq's Atomic Energy Agency, with hundreds of structures covering some 120 acres. At the height of Iraq's clandestine nuclear weapons program, which nearly succeeded in building a bomb in 1991, Tuwaitha incorporated research reactors, uranium mining and enrichment facilities, chemical engineering plants and an explosives fabrication center to build the device that detonates a nuclear core.

The facility was inspected more often than any other site by U.N. inspectors, who began disarming Iraq under U.N. Security Council mandate in 1991.

<more>
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:18 PM
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12. BushCo left the barn doors open on purpose
They wanted a well armed insurgency.


Tuwaitha Nuclear Center

Some of the buildings at Tuwaitha that were associated with Iraq's clandestine nuclear weapons program at the time of the Gulf War in 1991 have been destroyed and not reconstructed. Other buildings that were associated with the pre-Gulf War nuclear weapons program remain in active use, though the current activities at these buildings cannot be verified with satellite imagery.

A 1999 report issued by the Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS), identifies several buildings that were suspected clandestine facilities at that time of the 1991 Gulf War. The report was authored by Dr. David Albright, Corey Hinderstein, and Khidhir Hamza, the former Iraqi weapons scientist.

Hamza worked as a consultant for the Institute of Science and International Security between 1997-1999. According to David Albright Iraqi defector Khadir Hamza's "statements are often inaccurate, they're inconsistent. ... was an important nuclear official for six months in 1987 - he headed what we called the 'weaponisation program', the program to actually make the bomb itself. He never headed the program to make the highly enriched uranium, which is where most of the money was. ... his information after 1990 was really second hand and gained from talking to colleagues. So I think he's distorted his title dramatically. <"Nuclear weapons expert warns of Hamza evidence" Australian Broadcasting Corporation 25/9/2002> "I must apologise that we no longer can in any way recommend Dr Hamza. I unfortunately now believe he is deliberately distorting both his past credentials and his statements about Iraqi nuclear capabilities then and now." <"Iraqi nuclear scientist's eveidence questioned" Australian Broadcasting Corporation 25/9/2002>

Some of the buildings identified in the report have been damaged since 1991.

Satellite imagery taken between 1998 and 2001 would demostrate whether there had been any changes since the UNSCOM inspectors left.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/tuwaitha-i...
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:05 PM
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15. Kick!
And Recommended!
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:13 PM
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17. because Hussein Kamel, Saddam's son in law, told them
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 05:15 PM by librechik
he was in charge of WMD and nukes for Saddam, and he was there personally when the substances and devices were all destroyed under UN watch. When he defected to the US in 96, he was interviewed

http://middleeastreference.org.uk/kamel.html

It's all right there. And if you don't believe the guy in charge of Saddams's WMDs that he destroyed them believe the fact that Saddam lured him back to Iraq and executed him as soon as he found out.

here's a snip:
"Kamel specifically discussed the significance of anthrax, which he portrayed as the "main focus" of the biological programme (pp.7-8). Smidovich asked Kamel: "were weapons and agents destroyed?"

Kamel replied: "nothing remained".

He confirmed that destruction took place "after visits of inspection teams. You have important role in Iraq with this. You should not underestimate yourself. You are very effective in Iraq." (p.7)"

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:15 PM
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19. They were busy raiding the ancient museums
of Iraq.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:24 PM
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22. I thought this quote was the most damning
And what about the nukes? If Bush and his people really thought that Iraq had an active nuclear weapons program, why did the military wait for more than a week after taking over the region to even visit the country's main nuclear research facilities at Tuwaitha?

Exactly. They let people loot and steal from those bunkers. They didn't care about the safety of the people or anything. Another thing that surprised me was earlier this year in January when Kerry went on a mid east tour and talked to the other leaders and they all said they were ready and willing to help send their troops over to secure the boarders so terrorist groups couldn't come in but Bush didn't take them on their offer. Also, the lack of planning with armor and other important supplies. They've been planning this for years and when Bush came into office we had a huge surplus and everything. They still ignored the troops and made excuses. And than of course the tax cut for the rich which no president has done before during a time of war.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:36 PM
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23. But they knew they were "in and around Tikrit."
And who could trust Scott Ritter and Hans Blix?

Check please!
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bonzotex Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:36 PM
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24. Nice reminder, thanks! nom
Nothing new here to those of us paying attention. Still, nice to be reminded of the cold dirty facts of what Bastards these liars are.

Why why why couldn't even the most ignorant of our fellow Americans have seen what these punk-ass bitch frat boys were really doing and are still doing?

Maybe they are finally waking up.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:54 PM
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26.  350 TONS of high-explosives stolen on our watch, is killing and maiming
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 06:54 PM by goodboy
our soldiers right now.


CBS/AP) Several hundred tons of conventional explosives are missing from a former Iraqi military facility that once played a key role in Saddam Hussein's efforts to build a nuclear bomb, the U.N. nuclear agency confirmed Monday.

International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei will report the materials' disappearance to the U.N. Security Council later Monday, spokeswoman Melissa Fleming told The Associated Press.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/26/iraq/main6513...


Sep-05
Date Name Place of Death - Province Cause of Death
01-Sep-2005 Sergeant George Ray Draughn Jr. Al Mahmudiyah - Babil Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
01-Sep-2005 Staff Sergeant Robert Lee Hollar Jr. Al Mahmudiyah - Babil Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
02-Sep-2005 Sergeant 1st Class Lonnie J. Parson Baghdad Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
05-Sep-2005 Sergeant Matthew Charles Bohling Ramadi - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
05-Sep-2005 Fusilier Stephen Robert Manning Shaibah (5 mi. E of) - Basrah Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
05-Sep-2005 Fusilier Donal Anthony Meade Shaibah (5 mi. E of) - Basrah Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
05-Sep-2005 Specialist Jeffrey A. Williams Tall Afar (nr. Mosul) - Ninawa Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
06-Sep-2005 Staff Sergeant Jude R. Jonaus Baghdad (central part) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
06-Sep-2005 Sergeant Franklin R. Vilorio Baghdad (central part) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
11-Sep-2005 Sergeant Kurtis Dean K. Arcala Tikrit - Salah ad-Din Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
11-Sep-2005 Major Matthew Bacon Basra - Basrah Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
11-Sep-2005 Specialist Jeremy M. Campbell Baghdad Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
15-Sep-2005 Sergeant Alfredo B. Silva Baghdad Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
16-Sep-2005 1st Sergeant Alan Nye Gifford Baghdad Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
16-Sep-2005 Sergeant Matthew L. Deckard Baghdad Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
16-Sep-2005 Specialist David H. Ford IV Baghdad Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
17-Sep-2005 Staff Sergeant Regilio E. Nelom Al Asad (near) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
19-Sep-2005 Sergeant Michael Egan Ramadi - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
19-Sep-2005 1st Lieutenant Mark H. Dooley Ramadi - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
19-Sep-2005 Specialist William L. Evans Baghdad (military hospital) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
19-Sep-2005 Specialist William V. Fernandez Ramadi - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
19-Sep-2005 Sergeant 1st Class Lawrence E. Morrison Baghdad (military hospital) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
20-Sep-2005 Staff Sergeant William Alvin Allers III Khalis (near) - Diyala Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
22-Sep-2005 Specialist Mike T. Sonoda Jr. Baghdad (military hospital) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
22-Sep-2005 Specialist Kevin M. Jones Al Taqaddum (near) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
23-Sep-2005 Sergeant Paul C. Neubauer Baghdad (SE of) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
24-Sep-2005 Staff Sergeant Daniel R. Schelle Baghdad (military hospital) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
24-Sep-2005 Sergeant Brian E. Dunlap Al Taqaddum (near) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
26-Sep-2005 Sergeant Howard P. Allen Baghdad (50 mi. SE of, per CENTCOM) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
26-Sep-2005 Sergeant 1st Class Casey E. Howe Baghdad Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
26-Sep-2005 Master Sergeant Tulsa T. Tuliau Baghdad Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
26-Sep-2005 Specialist Michael J. Wendling Shaibah (W of Basrah) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
26-Sep-2005 Sergeant Andrew P. Wallace Shaibah (W of Basrah) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
28-Sep-2005 Airman 1st Class Elizabeth N. Jacobson Camp Bucca (near) - Basrah Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
28-Sep-2005 Staff Sergeant George A. Pugliese Ramadi - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
28-Sep-2005 Private 1st Class Oliver J. Brown Ramadi - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
28-Sep-2005 Sergeant Eric W. Slebodnik Ramadi - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
28-Sep-2005 Specialist Lee A. Wiegand Ramadi - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
28-Sep-2005 Staff Sergeant Daniel L. Arnold Ramadi - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
28-Sep-2005 Sergeant Steve Morin Jr. Umm Qasr (W of) - Basrah Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:18 PM
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28. They knew, they lied...because *I* knew there was NO WMD in Iraq.
And I knew that in November, 2002.

If *I* knew -and I did- then THEY knew. It's that simple.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:20 PM
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29. I have a shorter answer for you
because their neocon mouths were open and moving. Ergo, they were lying. Simple, straightforward. Hasn't failed me yet.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:21 PM
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30. They didn't secure the borders either. If they'd been worried ..
.. about WMD falling into terrorist hands, they would have locked the country down til they were done searching. They didn't: instead they immediately began moves to open up the country as much as possible.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:41 PM
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32. G-D, How Do Some People Support these Criminals?!?!
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 09:42 PM by AuntiBush
I just don't get it! Maybe it's better when one can't.

This one really grabs at ya: "Knowing these realities, America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud." - G. Bush, 10/7/02

Something wicked this way came.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:41 AM
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34. That's the money quote right there.
Oh Aunti, you hadn't seen that one yet? You're about to dive deep deep down into the dark dungeons of the internets. That's the LIHOP/MIHOP quote. That's why they didn't stop the 9/11 attacks.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 09:57 AM
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35. When they started bombing Saddam's palaces
Remember when the news coverage was all about how Saddam wouldn't let inspectors into some of his palaces and the media opnly speculated that the reason inspectors had limited access was because Saddam was storing WMDs( presumably biological) in the palaces?

When I saw the bombing beginning on Saddam's palaces and then later when I saw the troops living there I knew they knew they were lying.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 10:06 AM
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36. Don't forget the looting that was allowed at the Al-Qaqaa military
installation.

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/s3617.html


Tons of explosives missing from former Iraqi base

By WILLIAM J. KOLE
Associated Press Writer

VIENNA, Austria (AP) - Several hundred tons of conventional explosives were looted from a former Iraqi military facility that once played a key role in Saddam Hussein's efforts to build a nuclear bomb, the U.N. nuclear agency told the Security Council on Monday.

A "lack of security" resulted in the loss of 377 tons of high explosives from the sprawling Al-Qaqaa military installation about 30 miles south of Baghdad, International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei said.

The IAEA fears "that these explosives could have fallen into the wrong hands," said spokeswoman Melissa Fleming.


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