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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:52 PM
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MSNBC/Olbermann tonight: the huge Plame leak case news re *’s involvement
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 03:05 PM by Nothing Without Hope
Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" show is broadcast on MSNBC live at 8 pm ET and repeats at midnight ET.

Tonight Keith will cite both the NYT article about the "no report expected" from Fitz and also the huge Daily News article that states that Bush has known all along about the Plame outing and was angered only at how ham-handedly it was done. Here is the key excerpt from today's emailed newsletter from Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" show. (The entire newsletter is posted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... .)


Subject: Leak; Saddam; Wilma
Date: October 19, 2005 12:37:23 PM EDT

------------------------------------------------------
Tonight on Countdown
------------------------------------------------------

The special counsel in the C.I.A. leak case has told associates he has no plans to issue a final report about the results of the investigation, heightening the expectation that he intends to bring indictments, lawyers in the case and law enforcement officials said yesterday. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/19/politics/19leak.html?...

An angry President Bush rebuked chief political guru Karl Rove two years ago for his role in the Valerie Plame affair, sources told the Daily News. "He made his displeasure known to Karl," a presidential counselor told The News. "He made his life miserable about this." http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/357107p-304312c....

Countdown w/ Keith Olbermann broadcasts LIVE at 8 pm et, and the count is never complete without you. Join us.

(snip - the rest of the emailed show agenda can be read here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... )



The two key, not-to-be-missed DU threads on these very important developments are here:

The blockbuster NY Daily News article:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title: Bush whacked Rove on CIA leak (You are not gonna believe this one)

An excellent discussion of these developments:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title: Folks, We're Witnessing Nuclear War In The White House

As I interpret it, the NY Daily News article says more than that Bush lied. If the assertions from the two “well-placed sources” can be verified under oath, it’s looking like he knew and approved of the plan to attempt to discredit Wilson and was angry only because it was handled ham-handedly. See for yourself in this excerpt:

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/357107p-304312c....

But the President felt Rove and other members of the White House damage-control team did a clumsy job in their campaign to discredit Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson, the ex-diplomat who criticized Bush's claim that Saddam Husse{i}n tried to buy weapons-grade uranium in Niger.

A second well-placed source said some recently published reports implying Rove had deceived Bush about his involvement in the Wilson counterattack were incorrect and were leaked by White House aides trying to protect the President.

"Bush did not feel misled so much by Karl and others as believing that they handled it in a ham-handed and bush-league way," the source said.



(Don't miss the descriptor "bush-league," which in Brownie's wake has a whole resonance of its own! :rofl: )

There's more that strengthens my view that Bush not only knew, he approved of the "mission" to discredit Wilson, and he was angry only because it wasn't handled well. PLUS, you have those "leaked" stories from WH aides "trying to protect the president" who were falsely claiming that Rove had deceived Bush. They would not be doing that if there were not guilt to be covered - and it's looking like the guilt is from more than just lying.

And then you see Bush's priorities all too clearly:


"Karl is fighting for his life," the official added, "but anything he did was done to help George W. Bush. The President knows that and appreciates that."


I'll post video and a transcript from the Countdown segment on this story in this thread when they become available.


And finally, two cartoons I feel say it all. I especially like Toles' vision of the parade to the Bunker with * following the others , but don’t miss the little comments in the lower right of Oliphant’s cartoon:





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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:53 PM
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1. Bush knew
Pass it on.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:58 PM
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4. Will the fit hit the shan?
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #1
16. heh, I have Bush Knew bumpersticker
got it the week after Rove's connection was revealed in June. can refer to so many things, but now more people will get it. hopefully.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:21 PM
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19. And methinks it ain't the first time, either!!!!
For such a dumb bastard, he sure knows alot, eh????
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #19
56. What I think with that
is the whole "Bush is dumb" act is just an act. He's probably more involved than we know.
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rustydad Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #56
79. My guess
Is that bush not rove wanted Plame exposed as retribution to Wilson. It was not a political act with a logical, if evil, outcome. It was stupid and gained bush nothing but spite. Rove is far to smart to take this kind of chance for so little gain. Yet he probably went along to pacify bush who was riding high at the time.

The real issue though seems to be forming up. Originally it was the crime of exposing a CIA operative. It now seems to be veering to the much larger issue of deceiving Congress and the American people with phonied documents so as to get bush permission to invade Iraq. That is a far larger crime that if exposed will put the whole gang in jail. And perhaps even put them in front of a war crimes trial in the Hague.

If this goes down and pulls in the president then the question is "what will he/they do?". Will they really roll the legal dice and hope for the best? Or will they claim a grand conspiracy by the prosecutors and others to damage the country at a time of war? I don't see them willingly risking the rest of their lives. Interesting times. Bob
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 03:02 AM
Response to Reply #79
83. yes indeed, interesting times. Be sure to see the OCT 20 video clip
at the end of this thread - it's an update to the Oct 19 one and adds some more facets to the discussion.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #1
55. Of course he did
Why else has Karl not been fired yet? If Karl is fired that'd be a sign probably to the public.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:57 PM
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2. Recommended.
Peace.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:58 PM
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3. So is knowing a crime has taken place and hiding that
a crime? Isnt that conspiracy? Or aiding and abetting a felon?
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:01 PM
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6. A Du'er pointed to talkingpointsmemo.com
What did the president tell Patrick Fitzgerald? As a number of lawyers and former prosecutors have informed me this morning, not being under oath does not get President Bush out of legal jeopardy if he didn't tell the truth.

-- Josh Marshall

**
Are we dreaming?
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #6
14. That's what happened to Martha Stewart
My recollection is that she wasn't under oath when she made the statement that they went after her about.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #6
20. They get very shirty when you lie to a federal agent/officer of the court
It's just not done, you see!!
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #20
53. Even lying to a cop can result in a conviction for
obstruction of justice. Happens all the time. No oath involved. Cops don't administer oaths before they question people.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #6
57. I hope not
And isn't Bush still under oath from the swearing in?
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. well, whatever it is...
i bet it fits the definition of "high crimes and misdemeanor"...i mean, if a blowjob did, this does.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #8
54. If Freeps tole me once, they told me a thousand times...
It's not about sex, it's about lying.

And actually, Clinton was doing a pretty good job of parsing, and technically didn't lie A judge had defined "having sex" as beng synonymous with "having intercourse," so Clinton was telling the truth in literal terms.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #54
66. Yep. Clinton knew the difference between the truth and a lie.
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 12:38 AM by TahitiNut
Bushtard doesn't. He believes saying it makes it so. He's a sociopath.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:00 PM
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5. Excellent
OP, and recommend
:applause:

Should be a great show tonight.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:01 PM
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7. Oh Happy Day!
We made plans with all those who attended our local Cindy Sheehan Vigil, to meet in the same place with Champagne the evening bu$h gets his.

It will be a great day for Democracy!


:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:02 PM
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9. Yay! Keith! Olbermann!
Just when I read something and think, "Oh God, won't someone please report on this!?" Boom! There it is on Countdown.

Plus, sometimes he sings or dances or throws something. :popcorn:
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Left Brain Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #9
13. Gotta love KO!
just ask the Estrogen Brigade.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #13
27. You bet! To the Ties that Bind!!!
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 03:42 PM by Nothing Without Hope
:toast: :loveya:

Since you're interested in the KOEB, did you realize that we have a clubhouse (group) here at DU? The emailed newletters are posted and there are liveblogs ("KOEB meetings") of Keith's shows (with much laughter and tongue-in-cheek wardrobe commentary).

The KOEB clubhouse is here, and all are welcome!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Left Brain Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #27
73. Thanks NWH
I lurk there often!
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #27
80. I've been looking for you guys forever! The KOEB threads are
among the most entertaining on the net. I thought you'd given up. Glad to have found you again! (A lurker only but a KO fan.)

So, what does "keep your knees loose" mean?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #9
58. You can always count on Keith!
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freesqueeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:02 PM
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10. Thanks
for pulling this together in a concise package.

the tole toon is priceless!



http://www.freesqueeze.com/toons.htm
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:55 PM
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29. "MY bunker!"
I made several copies of this 'toon. Mostly for the message, but also because of the following story:

When my daughter, now 13, was only a couple of years old, I'd take her to the park to play. At the park was a "horsie" on a spring for kids to sit on and rock back and forth. This became my daughter's favorite park toy and we always began each play session with a ride on..."my horsie." We would move on to the swings and slide, and then the jungle jim, or take a walk around the paths, but even as we did other things, she always kept and eye on "my horsie," and when she saw another child walk over to the horse with the intent to ride it, she would immediately take off toward that direction, calling out all the way, "My horsie, my horsie!" I would catch up with her and remind her of the need to share and that she had had her turn, etc., etc., and that was enough to calm her excitement.

But when I saw this 'toon, I had to laugh in seeing Bush, Rove, and Scooter, all racing toward Cheney's bunker, while Cheney cries "My bunker!" It brought back memories.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. Great story! I remember a collection of big cement "riding" animals
in a park in Texas too. They were extremely popular, because children can build such vivid worlds and adventures from even less.

And what is it with little girls and horses? I went through that too - I pinned on one of my dad's handkerchiefs and ran around whinnying and pretending to BE a horse. I still love the way they look and move. Nothing like it.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #32
59. I had a riding horse
I still have it. :) You could sit on it and rock back and forth. I loved that thing. :)
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:04 PM
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11. Thank you for this post. Put a smile back on my ugly mug. Kicked.
:kick:
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:06 PM
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12. OK, so who on the Cabinet is not tainted, 'cause
that may be what we are down to in the line of succession (Hastert has plenty of problems).

President Stevens? (pro tem of the Senate)

President Snow?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Presidential...
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clichemoth Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #12
18. Stevens is probably clean enough, but he'd still be awful.
But it probably doesn't matter. Cheney will have a "health incident" first and some unknown back-bencher will become the new VP and then the new President, either by succession or Diebold. (see also: Ford, Gerald and Hastert, Dennis) There will be a dialectic retreat. We might even get the end of the Iraq war, national health care, or same sex marriage from the new President Emptysuit (not all 3, but 2 out of 3 ain't bad), but they'll just be regrouping.

If we want real change, we must be even more vigilant after the Fitzmas season than we have been already.



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i_c_a_White_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:16 PM
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15. I gotta watch that
:popcorn: Popcorn Alert!
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:20 PM
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17. I just watched Dana Bash on Blitzer's CNN covering these issues well
She talked about the article alleging that Bush knew about Rove leaking a long time ago and the Dem Senator's letter to Bush asking about this issue.

Dana Bash also said that although this is the first investigation of the Bush White House, Democrats point out that the Republicans have been in control of the Congress so other issues that should have been investigated have not been. Ironically she said that the mood in the White House is one of "torture" waiting to see what happens.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. i truly hope she did not say "torture"
that would really summarize things on many levels wouldnt it

repulsive
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #21
31. She indeed called the mood one of "torture" in the White House n/t
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #31
42. as if
they have any idea

thanks for the confirmation
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frogczar Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:25 PM
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22. pic of rove under the tire of air force 1?
When was that picture taken of Rove jokingly going under the tire of Air Force 1 from before the 2004 election?

Is there a connection to that and Bush's displeasure with Rove over the Leak fiasco?

What's the time frame for that?
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #22
36. It was taken shortly before the elections
Nothing much was said about it. We all thought at the time it was something about the rigged machines, but who knows.


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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:28 PM
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23. Excellent post and links, as usual NWH! K& R, and I'll be here tonight!
eom
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:34 PM
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24. .
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. Yup, that about sums it up. Just like during the Watergate meltdown,
only far more damage has been done by * than Nixon ever dreamed of even in his craziest, most vicious moments.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #28
37. never thought i would long for tricky dick
fun to recycle some of the old slogans, tho.



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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. oooooh! I love them! Of course, you have to be of a certain age to
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 04:29 PM by Nothing Without Hope
truly appreciate them, but I am and do!!!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #39
43. yeah, i have to explain them sometimes
i also have to frequently define the word quagmire for people. when i am not in the mood, i just say, it's a viet nam thing.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:38 PM
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25. The new George W. Bush: "Mr. Subtlety" (don't you go sayin' "nuance", now)
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 03:41 PM by PurityOfEssence
Gagging as I am from a clip on CNN that depicts Ninny-boy as being irate if there's a typo in a press release, it's hard to maintain any sense of reality. (Hell, this clown can barely READ; how can he tell if there's a typo? OH! I GET IT: it's when others tell him that it doesn't live up to his image.) People who are so paranoid about their images are dangerous. They're usually WAAAY out of their depth and with an ego that has them need to be considered as something they're not. That's the case here.

So it doesn't bother Junior that his people destroyed our most important spy network just to scare the rest of the intelligence community to NEVER divulge the lies used to terrorize the American people into allowing us to start an ugly war of conquest, what really bothers him is that it wasn't done with any finesse. (Yes, Junior, that's a French word; it means deftness.)

This is his point in short: I don't mind that you destroyed our country's intelligence community to save my greedy little ass, I'm pissed that you didn't do a better job.

This is HUGE. This revelation will taint everything done for the rest of this maladministration.

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:39 PM
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26. Thank you Keith! And thank you Nothing Without Hope!
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 03:43 PM by robertpaulsen
Here's what I'll be doing tonight:

:popcorn: :beer:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:03 PM
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30. Cheney looks to have a big target sign painted on him too (WaPo article):
The Oliphant cartoon SHOULD say "Is everything OK, Uncle DICK" - BUT...Cheney does have his own problems:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

Cheney's Office Is A Focus in Leak Case


Sources Cite Role Of Feud With CIA

By Jim VandeHei and Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, October 18, 2005; Page A01

As the investigation into the leak of a CIA agent's name hurtles to an apparent conclusion, special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald has zeroed in on the role of Vice President Cheney's office, according to lawyers familiar with the case and government officials. The prosecutor has assembled evidence that suggests Cheney's long-standing tensions with the CIA contributed to the unmasking of operative Valerie Plame.

In grand jury sessions, including with New York Times reporter Judith Miller, Fitzgerald has pressed witnesses on what Cheney may have known about the effort to push back against ex-diplomat and Iraq war critic Joseph C. Wilson IV, including the leak of his wife's position at the CIA, Miller and others said. But Fitzgerald has focused more on the role of Cheney's top aides, including Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, lawyers involved in the case said.

(snip)

One former CIA official told prosecutors early in the probe about efforts by Cheney's office and his allies at the National Security Council to obtain information about Wilson's trip as long as two months before Plame was unmasked in July 2003, according to a person familiar with the account.

(snip)

Starting in the days after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the vice president was at the forefront of a White House campaign to convince Congress and the American public that invading Iraq was central to defeating terrorists worldwide. Cheney, a longtime proponent of toppling Saddam Hussein, led the White House effort to build the case that Iraq was an imminent threat because it possessed a dangerous arsenal of weapons.

(snip)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:11 PM
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33. I'll be watching Keith tonight (as always).
And I love that first toon. Running for Cheney's bunker and he's blocking the door. hahaha!!
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:11 PM
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34. I have goosebumps.
The suspense is killing me!!!
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:12 PM
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35. Bookmarked and nominated!
Thanks for the heads up!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:28 PM
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38. Please make a note of Olbermann's SPONSORS tonight and consider
contacting them to thank them for their support. You KNOW they will be getting hate mail from the freepers.

I don't have cable, or I would watch and write down post the national sponsors here. I'd be pleased if someone else did.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:32 PM
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40. Here are email address for Keith Olbermann and for his Countdown show:
Let him know what you think and how much you appreciate a REAL journalist who tells the TRUTH:

KOlbermann@msnbc.com

Countdown@msnbc.com
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:35 PM
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41. When I saw this "old reporters notebook" CARTOON I thought of KO:
He's a REAL journalist who knows and values these fundamentals. It's not only his insight and wit, it's his honest OUTRAGE and obvious INTEGRITY that get to the listeners and open their eyes:

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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:59 PM
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51. Great cartoon
Very appropriate. I am boycotting all corporate media, even Olberman. I'm not advocating that everyone do that, but it feels right to me. However, I do enjoy reading about his show on DU. He sounds great, and I admire him. What he is doing takes real guts in this atmosphere. Go, Keith!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:49 PM
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44. A LESSON in all of this: STAND AND FIGHT AS WILSON DID. It DOES matter!
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 04:51 PM by Nothing Without Hope
As this thread points out:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title: Have we forgotten to thank who made this possible.....JOSEPH WILSON

We need to remember this example: Wilson did NOT meekly take what the White House dished out, as they expected him to do. They are "all-powerful," right?
WRONG.


Wilson's letter to the NY Times sparked a concatenation of events, as we are seeing now. Not only the Plame affair, but so many other scandals are coming to light now that the dam is finally starting to burst. As I was remarking to merh today about her own contributions:

A single ripple starts it:



which leads to THIS:



which leads to THIS:



which culminates in THIS:



Which has far more power and sweep than would be guessed from the small start.

We also owe a special debt to Rep. Conyers for his unceasing pressure on this and so many other issues.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:19 PM
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45. Here is the site where I expect the VIDEO to be posted first
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 05:25 PM by Nothing Without Hope
http://www.canofun.com/blog/default.asp

Clips are typically posted there very soon after they have aired, and important events often get multiple clips posted over a period of hours. For example, the Bush fake photo-op with the Tikrit soldiers and McClellan's disastrous press conference the same day:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I have to go out for several hours, so it will probably be posted there before I return. (Crooks & Liars and BradBlog are other possibilities, but they tend to be slower with posting clips.) If no one else has done it by then, I'll post direct links to the video files here later tonight.

The show transcript should be posted online tomorrow afteroon; I'll post a link to it when it appears.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:20 PM
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46. i love that site!!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:41 PM
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47. kick - GD is really zooming! n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:03 PM
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48. kick n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:16 PM
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49. ***Please help keep this kicked - I have to leave for several hours now***
I want all DUers to be aware of this show so they won't miss it. It's broadcast at 8 and midnight on MSNBC tonight.

I won't be able to kick this thread again until I return to post the video clip several hours from now. (I'll post a link to the transcript when it is put up at MSNBC tomorrow afternoon.)
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:54 PM
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50. Thanks, Hope!
Great work as always! :thumbsup:
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:11 PM
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52. That was a kick-ass portrait of Fitzgerald.
I'm so stoked. :toast:
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dapper Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:32 PM
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60. looking back
...and I look back at election time and the topic coming up with my wifes uncle. How Bush was a great leader (bwa ha ha).

I look back at what a family friend said, he was pro bush and I asked him not to send me politcal shite about Bush. He went on and on about how Bush was a great president, how he will protect my family... to which I basically called him a jerk off and told him to keep my family out of it. That what Bush says might scare him but I wasn't scared.

I wonder how these fools are feeling now.

Dapper

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:04 PM
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64. Welcome to DU!!! In answer to your question, this TOM TOMORROW CARTOON
really demonstrates the effects of the truth about the Bush Administration on a vulnerable Freeper mind:

Found on this page at Working For Change: http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=19725

Image may take a few extra second to load - worth waiting for!



Gruesome! So I recommend you use caution in exposing your family friend to too much truth in one sitting! Let him work up to it...NAHHHH!!! Let'im have it. :evilgrin:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:45 PM
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61. ***VIDEO HAS BEEN POSTED at Can 'o Fun***


Latest on the Leak-Countdown Oct 19 05:
Windows media VIDEO CLIP: http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/latestontheleakoct19...

...and as a short, unrelated special bonus:
Saddam Hussein Puppet Theatre- Countdown Oct 19 05
Windows media VIDEO CLIP: http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/saddampuppettheatreo...
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:02 PM
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62. Thanks for the link.
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 10:05 PM by Straight Shooter
No TV here, but I love those video downloads :)

edit: Just watched it. We wish and we hope and we dream, here in the reality-based community, that justice will be served to those who deserve it most.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:52 PM
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63.  Fine BradBlog post today:"TreasonGate Moves Up the Food Chain to Bush..."
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 10:53 PM by Nothing Without Hope
This is a long piece by Brad (himself! ;)) with many links, stuffed with juicy information relating to the newest updates on the Plamegate front, including the Daily News article that is the takeoff point for Olbermann's piece tonight and this thread. Don't miss it. Brad is continuing to add updates - he's currently up to the "STILL FURTHER UPDATE," followed by "Additional Red Meat" at this point - one wonders what's coming next!

Here's the PERMALINK: http://www.BradBlog.com/archives/00001934.htm

Excerpt - there is much more and many worthy links:

http://www.BradBlog.com/archives/00001934.htm
Wednesday, October 19th 2005

It's Not the Crime It's the Cover-Up


What the 'President' Knew and When He Knew It...
TreasonGate Moves Up the Food Chain to Bush...


As reports on the TreasonGate matter expectedly climb up the food chain from Rove and Libby to Dick Cheney, NY Daily News is reporting today (http://www.davidcorn.com/nydailynews.com/front/story/35... ) that George W. Bush knew of Rove's involvement a full two years ago concerning the unprecedented outing by a White House of a covert CIA agent.

The Daily News story comes from their D.C. Bureau Chief, Thomas DeFrank, who -- as Josh Marshall points out (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_10_... ) -- has a unique relationship to senior Bushies as co-writer of James Baker's autobiography. Marshall suggests that because of that insider relationship "this article carries more weight than it would with another byline."

We're told that CNN is reporting -- to the surprise of absolutely nobody -- a denial by the White House of the entire story. We've yet to see the specifics of that denial, but we can well imagine it, and we've all learned that White House denials at this point are completely meaningless.

More newsworthy, however, is that David Corn points out (http://www.davidcorn.com/nydailynews.com/front/story/35... ) that the Daily News report now seems to place Bush smack-dab in the middle of a classic "It's not the crime, it's the cover-up" scandal. You know, of the type that brought down Nixon and damn-near brought down Clinton:

Waitaminute! Two years ago, the White House--via McClellan--definitively declared that Rove was not "involved" in the CIA leak. But if Bush at some point upbraided his guru about the leak that means (a) Bush knew that Rove was involved and (b) Bush countenanced McClellan's dissemination of a false cover story. This is evidence that Bush was a party to the attempted White House cover-up and that Bush might have directly lied about the issue. On September 30, 2003, he was questioned by reporters about the leak investigation.

See Corn's full story (http://www.davidcorn.com/nydailynews.com/front/story/35... ) for the exchange.


(snip - much more in the BradBlog entry!)

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:11 AM
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65. another related thread: "Bush Lied - He Knew It Was Karl Rove All Along"
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 12:11 AM by Nothing Without Hope
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title: BUSH LIED - He Knew It Was Karl All Along --->>>

This thread also cittes specific Bush statements that are LIES about this the identity of the Plame leaker(s).

Important: we must hold him to his words and hold them all accountable. As someone upthread here pointed out, the fact that he wasn't under oath when he lied doesn't get him out of trouble. Remember too how the Bush Administration fought bitterly to stonewall and block any investigation of the Plame leak - and they had good reason!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:41 AM
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67. Related thread: "Senator (Schumer) seeks explanation from Bush..."
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 12:44 AM by Nothing Without Hope
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title: Senator (Schumer) seeks explanation from Bush in case of outed CIA spy

Reported via AP in Yahoo News; link in the OP post of that thread. Love this excerpt:


(snip)

In a letter to the president, Democratic Senator Charles Schumer cited press reports alleging that Bush reportedly had spoken with his Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove about the case involving outed spy Valerie Plame in 2003.

In comments to the press however "the White House issued emphatic and blanket denials of any involvement in the disclosure or confirmation of Ms. Plames status as a CIA agent," Schumer wrote.

"In light of these reports, I urge you to make public the details of Mr. Rove's involvement, your understanding of that involvement, and an explanation as to why Mr. Rove was neither dismissed nor his security clearance revoked when you learned of his participation in the Plame affair."

(snip)


Most of the US media may be trying to ignore the contents of the Daily News article, but Senator Schumer read it and is in a position to ask the questions. I wonder how many other of our favorite senators and reps will join the rumble?

And when will the slimiest rats start seriously considering leaving the sinking ship?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 03:53 AM
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68. One more kick for the night. I'll post the show transcript Thursday PM n/t
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:56 AM
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69. kick
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 08:19 AM
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70. Fabulous stuff!
Caught the link to Keith's show, enjoyed BradBlog stuff and everything else posted in this thread.

Great work DUers! Reminds me of the old days..... :toast:

Julie
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 11:42 AM
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74. If you liked this Olbermann show thread, you might want to check out
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 11:47 AM by Nothing Without Hope
a few from earlier this year. As with the current thread, the videos are sometimes linked to in the reply thread, as some of these threads were heads-ups about an upcoming show. Others are compilations and some video clips are in the OP. There is always supplementary information and good discussion in the reply thread.

"The Nexus of Politics and Terror," in which Olbermann points out the "coincidence" of thirteen terror-related announcements or alerts with low points in Bush Administration political standing (thread started Oct 11)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title: FAKE TERROR ALERTS - Olbermann will report on latest and THIRTEEN times

"The City of New Orleans," a powerful condemnation of the Bush Admin's early response to Katrina (thread started Sept 6)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title: ABSOLUTE MUST-SEE OR READ: KEITH OLBERMANN SAYS IT ALL!!!!

"That Unscripted Moment," Olbermann blasting the scripted Bush photo-op teleconference with the Tikrit soldiers and the disastrous McClellan press conference the same day (thread started Oct 13)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title: ***Olbermann covers the scripted photo-op & lying press conf TONIGHT***

This one from June shows Keith demolishing the RW spin on Kerry's initial statement about the Downing Street Minutes. At that time, the GOP spin machine was saying that Kerry was calling for impeachment, and the idea was to make him look shrill and opportunistic rather than thoughtful and deliberate about this important development. It's another classic. (thread started June 7)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title: VIDEO of Olbermann crushing RW spin re Kerry's DSM Statement - sweet!

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 09:32 AM
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71. I watched it - and even Tweety covered it before
It's staring to seep in the media consciousness - how funny that Daily News - my home town tabloid is the WP for this "gate"!
Plberman even uttered the "L" word (which Tweety so carefully avoided "let's noy say "lies" - just worst case scenarios over worst case scenarios". Yup, Tweety. Bad luck, huh?
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 10:16 AM
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72. So St. George has been lying?
gee, imagine that...judging from his falling poll numbers the sheep are finally waking up, but a year too late. I can't believe how brain dead this country has become, that they can be fooled by such a rank amature
as the chimp.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:39 PM
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75. There will be more on Libby and Rove on tonight's show:

Excerpt from today's emailed Countdown Newsletter below. The entire newsletter is posted here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Subject: Unmasking Plame
Date: October 20, 2005 12:48:46 PM EDT

------------------------------------------------------
Tonight on Countdown
------------------------------------------------------

White House adviser Karl Rove told the grand jury in the CIA leak case that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, may have told him that CIA operative Valerie Plame worked for the intelligence agency before her identity was revealed, a source familiar with Rove's account said yesterday. The account is the first time a person familiar with Rove's testimony has provided clues about where the deputy chief of staff learned about Plame, and confirmed that Rove and Libby were involved in a conversation about her before her identity became public. The disclosure seemed to further undermine the White House's contention early in the case that neither man was in any way involved in unmasking Plame. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9759368 /

Countdown w/ Keith Olbermann broadcasts LIVE at 8 pm et, and the count is never complete without you. Join us.

(snip)


For general reference: The emailed newletters and much more are generally posted promptly in the KOEB Group (Keith Olbermann Estrogen Brigade), wihch is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:37 PM
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76. Thanks again Hope!
Didn't even know KO sent out a newsletter. Will watch clip tonight.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:39 PM
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77. Sounds like must watch TV
At least one reporter is earning his money...
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 05:40 PM
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78. ***HERE IS THE LINK TO THE OCT 18 SHOW TRANSCRIPT- MUST READ***
Here is the permalink to the full transcript of Olbermann's show from Tuesday, Oct 18:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9751086

The story on which this thread is focussed is the update in the Plame case, with the indication that Bush knew and possibly participated. But there is more, such as rumors that Cheney may resign and be replaced by Rice:



(snip)

Our fifth story on the COUNTDOWN, they are special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and his team. That is the evidence of a conspiracy charge directed at the office and staff of Vice President Dick Cheney, and perhaps at the vice president himself.

And if none of that piques your interest, “U.S. News and World Report” went online this afternoon with reports of rumors sweeping through various levels of the government that Mr. Cheney might resign, to be replaced by Secretary of State Rice, the investigation of the investigation zeroing in for the second straight day on the vice president‘s office, “The New York Daily News” reporting that Fitzgerald may be inching closer to what the newspaper is calling a blockbuster conspiracy charge with help from a secret snitch.

The snitch has been tentatively identified by an online Web site as a national security aide on loan to the vice president‘s office from the office of the former undersecretary of state, now the U.N. ambassador, John Bolton.


“The Daily News” also reported at least six current and former staffers for the vice president testifying before that grand jury with Mr. Cheney himself, according to the paper, questioned, as we know, informally by prosecutors last year, having hired an attorney, a private attorney, says the paper.

(snip)


Very heady stuff, none of which is in the brief video clip that was posted uptread. (I'll look around and see if there are more and will post them here if so.)

Because the Plamegate story was the FIFTH segment of reporting on Countdown, it comes first in the show transcript.

In general, show transcripts appear the afternoon after the show is broadcast. Here is the page where they can be sought - scroll down to find Olbermann's Countdown show:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710 (General transcripts page)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 08:10 PM
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81. ***FINALLY!!! HERE'S THE OCT 19 WED COUNTDOWN SHOW TRANSCRIPT***
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 08:12 PM by Nothing Without Hope
This is the transcript that goes with the show discussed in this thread. The Oct 18 show had a related segment, as KO is keeping an eye on ongoing developments in Treasongate.

Here's the PERMALINK for the Oct 19 Countdown broadcast:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9767977

Not included in the brief video clip is a profile of Fitzgerald himself, which I wish I could have seen. (I don't have cable and so am dependent on posted video clips.) Here's an excerpt; I recommend reading the whole transcript.


(snip)

TONY BOUZA, FITZGERALD‘S HARVARD CLASSMATE: He was a lot brighter than almost everybody else. But unlike a lot of other people, he didn‘t spend a lot of effort trying to show that he was brighter.

GANGEL: It also became office lore that during his years as a New York prosecutor, Fitzgerald never cooked a meal.

KELLEY: Coming over one day to find, stacked up on the stove, were several boxes, empty boxes of pizza, and suggesting to him it presented a hire—a fire hazard. He reminded me that although he‘s lived there for, at that point, about 10 years, he never had the stove turned on.

GANGEL: Single, straitlaced, with no listed political affiliation, friends compare him to a legendary lawman.

(snip)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 01:47 AM
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82. ***NEW VIDEO FROM OCT 20 - ABSOLUTELY MUST SEE***


CIA Leak Latest-Olbermann Oct 20 05

Windows media: http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/cialeaklatestoct2005...

Don't miss this one - it's a meaty update with new developments, building on the Oct 19 show.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:29 AM
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84. KICK - don't miss the Oct 20 followup VIDEO at the end of the thread n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 12:30 AM
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85. ***Another GREAT VIDEO UPDATE - Olbermann show Friday Oct 21***


Web of Conspiracy- Olbermann Oct 21 05 - WH leakers trying to portray Libby as the sole one with a campaign against Wilson; doesn't wash. At the end of this 7:11 Min clip, Keith and his guest are discussing the possibility that the case will spread to conspiracy to mislead about the WMDs - the Iraq War on trial. (Also discussed as an indication that indictments are likely: Fitz has started a web site! I'll post the link to it separately.)

Windows Media (7:11 min): http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/webofconspiracyoct21...
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 12:32 AM
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86. Fitz has started an OFFICIAL WEB SITE:
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/index.html

As Keith pointed out in his Oct 21 show (see the VIDEO CLIP in the previous post), this action one week before the GJ ends does suggest that SOMETHING is coming, most likely indictments. Otherwise, since he says he's not writing a report, why would he put up this site?
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