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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:22 PM
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Shadenfruede is a wonderful thing...BUT
Democrats must be ready with a unified and coherent message instead of merely criticism and negativity about Bush and pals. Situations like this don't come around very often, but the Dems have lucked out again. When an "in" like this comes up, the Dems need to be poised with the right message to espouse.

The Repubs are at each other's throats, and the Admin. is imploding, now is the time...NOW. We can't afford to screw this up!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:23 PM
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1. True!
Let's all write Dean! Let's ask him to hold a convention next year to ratify a Charter for America.
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:26 PM
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2. Good idea. It's about time we take the bull by the horns.
People want to be led - let's lead them.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:37 PM
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6. Look at the 180 degree party line shift on immigration, for one
They're running scared. A lot of times in the past four/five years I was always hoping they were, but Bush always seemed to land on his feet. Not anymore; they're trying like hell to get their base back, regarding Miers, illegal immigration, whatnot.
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:49 PM
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11. time to hammer out a message
First, we need to get a message.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:27 PM
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3. Schadenfreude
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:30 PM
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4. Last time Repubs were this disorganized and angry we got Big Dog
For 8 great years.....let's do it again.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:31 PM
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5. Yes!
:kick:

The Democrats have no excuse for failure this time around.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:39 PM
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7. I've been thinking about this a lot lately
and although it would be difficult to wipe the smiles off our faces (for good reason) it will bother me if the overall reaction is happiness instead of anger.

We're talking about massive amounts of corruption. Treason. Treason in time of war in OUR COUNTRY. This is on top of the torture scandal, on top of the Katrina and crony scandal, on top the fact that they lied to us in order to start an illegal war that our soldiers are still dying for...and the list goes on.

I understand why shadenfruede is a very human response and I'll be more than happy to go with it when it comes to Delay and Frist, but what happened to Plame is far too big. Those involved betrayed this country and put people's lives in harm for political revenge and/or gain.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:42 PM
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8. The Plame issue is key
Even if no prima facie criminal activity is discovered, it's still a dirty trick they can no longer disprove or ignore.

The Plame issue exposes without a doubt what bastards they are.

Like when Teflon Reagon got nailed for Iran-Contra.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:47 PM
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10. But some of us have been angry for SO LONG....
We knew that they have been doing stuff like this for years. I, for one, can't work up any fresh anger. All I *will* feel if these people are indicted is relief.

I'm not big on Schadenfreude because it has a tendency to come back and bite one in the butt.
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:50 PM
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12. Yes, it's about treason
for which tight-lipped outrage is the only appropriate response.

We must hold them all accountable for treason.

ANY damage done to national security is treason. This means at ANY time, mind you, NOT just during a time of war (which we were in).

Please, everyone who reads this, use the word treason whenever discussing the Plame case, and explain it slowly and carefully for the idiots just as I have above. If you're already doing so, :toast: .

Everyone else, please join in. We need to do this from the ground up. We need to drum this home.

To borrow from Carville (who must be liquidating assets and hiring an expensive lawyer for his wife about now)...

It's the treason, stupid.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:46 PM
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9. It's an opportunity for the liberal ELECTORATE, not the pols!
We've seen 25 years of "compromise" and "centrism," all under the specious apologetics of 'electability.' In return, we've seen "Democrats" elected that are to the right of Eisenhower Republicans and to the right of Nixonian Republicans! That shit has to stop. It's time to elect and support conscientious liberals with integrity! Kick the Zell-Miller-lite's to the curb. Insist on advocates of human rights not corporate rights. Insist on advocates of trickle up, not trickle down.
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