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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:01 AM
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People who believe in "end days" should not be allowed to be President
There should be a law prohibiting people who believe in Doomsday philosophies to run for President.

I for one do not want a President, who is leader of the most powerful nation on the planet to believe/practive in a religion which promotes and desires a violent end to the world.

This is what we currently have in Bush.... and his actions so far are leading to this type of confrontations.

This may mean that Christians are barred from being president. Although this sounds harsh, I think the possibility of a leader having such beliefs is disastorous for the world. What do you think?
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:04 AM
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1. This is my response to your thread
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:07 AM by noahmijo
::hysterical laughter:::


Then "awwww shit...." ::after realizing that it's true we have superstitious psychopathic people with great power that have the ability to control this nation's course:::



Totally one of those "it'd be funny if only it wasn't true" theories.

Quite frankly it doesn't mean Christians would be barred, it just means the fundie whackjob Christians that want to mix religion and politics would be barred. John Kerry is a Christian (despite what the fundie filth says about Catholics not being Christians) and he had personal beliefs that went against those of myself and I am sure many others on this board, however the fact that he kept them completely to himself and out of his policies is what made him acceptable.

At the same time though I'd LOVE to see for once a Buddhist person run for president despite the fact that fundie WASP America would see him/her destroyed immediately.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:08 AM
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3. It is absolutely frightening to me
that grown people actually believe this... and for a president who can make it happen to also believe this.. is extremely disturbing!
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:15 AM
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9. come on....you don't recognize bad acting when you see it?
everything bush does, says, or believes in is scripted. the republican party has been pandering to the religious whackjobs for years. the republican party is nothing more than a front for the military industrial complex and the oil industry ( and a few other big industries like the pharms).

they figured out how to manipulate the pea brained fundies. but gimme a break.....look at bush, cheney, rummy, rice, and the rest of these clowns. religious people they are certainly not.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:31 AM
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16. I hear you. but
the point I'm making isn't specifically about Bush!
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:44 PM
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17. yes it is.....
you said this:

There should be a law prohibiting people who believe in Doomsday philosophies to run for President.

I for one do not want a President, who is leader of the most powerful nation on the planet to believe/practive in a religion which promotes and desires a violent end to the world.

This is what we currently have in Bush....



sounds to me like you're talking exactly about bush. come on....you haven't figured out that the repubs manipulate the fundies?
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:01 PM
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25. We need a psychiatric clearance for these superstitious psychopaths
We need a bank of leading psychiatrists to examine individuals running for President to find out, among other things, if they believe that they regularly converse with a deity and whether they intend to rely upon that deity's commands in the way they run the government's affairs. I submit that Bush has given us enough to lock him away in an asylum for a long, long time.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:07 AM
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2. Bu$h actually wants the end days to happen on his watch!
Simple belief is not the problem, it is the extremist view that they are coming soon and the belief that if they happen on their watch, they will somehow be ascended to sit next to God.
I am sure we have had many a Christian president that believed the theories that the earth will end with 4 white horses and all the thunder and hell fire that they heard when they were a kid. But I don't think we have ever had such an extremist in the white house.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:13 AM
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7. That's the distinction
believing that there will be an end days isn't so much the problems. Believing they are now, and letting those beliefs dictate your philosophy is a problem. It encourages complacency about real problems (why worry about saving the environment or about helping the poor or about education) and outright insane propositions (we must support Israel at all times no matter waht we do).

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:14 AM
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8. Exactly!
An extremist President with these beliefs WILL want it to happen
on his watch!
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:16 AM
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10. i bet bush couldn't recite a line of scripture
he's no fundy. he's a crooked, inept, incompetent rich guy.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:59 PM
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19. Actually the Reagan administration was worse.
Reagan's Secretary of the Interior, James Watt, justified his horrible environmental policies, including harvesting of old growth timber, by saying "I don't know how many generations we can count on before the Lord returns."

Of course he also thought the Beach Boys were Satanic degenerates who attracted the "wrong element", so his judgement is questionable.

For the record, I believe Jesus Christ will return to this planet someday. But the right wingers ain't gonna like it when He gets here.
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:09 AM
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4. bush panders to the religious whackos for votes.....
...he doesn't actually believe the stuff. money is bush's god.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:11 AM
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5. self Delete - duplicate post
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:13 AM by emulatorloo
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:11 AM
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6. bush believes in nothing but money and power. . .
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:12 AM by emulatorloo
just because karen hughes and karl rove tell you he's a "fine christian man" doesn't mean he really is.
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:18 AM
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11. exactly!
it's all marketing.

the fundies in this country are so easy to manipulate and the republicans do it beautifully. in fact, they do it so well, apparently some DUers even believe it.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:18 AM
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12. or to procreate
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 04:44 AM
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31. I wish ... :-) (n/t)
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:21 AM
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13. Yes, this is only one reason why I voted against him
Too bad it isn't a formal requirement for President. LOL
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:24 AM
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14. We've had plenty of President's who were practicing Christians
and didn't do what Bush has done. I don't think excluding people of faith is a workable answer.
Ban zealots of any flavor.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:28 AM
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15. Shrub doesn't believe in that crap anymore than I do.....
As a matter of fact, I would be suprised if he actually believed in anything.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:45 PM
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18. THe problem is not that the president believes in it. The problem
is that enough voters do.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:02 PM
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21. Disagree. The Problem is that El Presidente can CAUSE it to happen
Heck, he's got me worried about "The End Times" and I'm an atheist.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:24 PM
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23. The problem is that there are enough voters to put someone like
that in office.

Presidents don't just appear spontaneously, and they don't have unlimited power. It takes an electorate willing to go along with their shit.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:33 PM
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24. So your objection is to democracy itself?
Don't get me wrong, Plato expressed similar concerns, and in some respects they are well-founded, as we've seen recently.

Also, we've seen that presidential powers in the immediate present are practically unlimited. Only when long-term scrutiny from congress, the courts, and the press are applied to those powers do they become truly limited. Future accountability is the president's primary limitation.

The president can use the War Powers Act to deploy American forces in an invasion. Only during later congressional review must sound rationale be provided.

If "American forces" happen to include ICBMs, it is questionable whether such a thing as "future accountability" applies.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:05 PM
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26. Not at all. That's why I don't think there should be such limits on
who can be president - it's up to the electorate to decide what they'll tolerate in a president.

My problem is not with a democratic model - my problem is a significant difference with a significant number of the electorate.
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nvliberal Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:09 PM
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27. Not necessarily.
Take a look at 2000 and 2004.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:12 PM
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28. Even if you accept that the vote wasn't there in 2000, and may not have
been in 2004, it was certainly close enough that you've got a problem.

If you don't like the president's beliefs (and I assure you, I do not), your real problem is not with the president but that there are enough voters to support such beliefs.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:00 PM
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20. restatement: People that are looking forward to the end of the world
Make bad world leaders.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:08 PM
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22. Except "no religious Test shall ever be required", US Const., Art. VI
"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

While I understand and share your concern, I'd rather keep what we have left of this tattered document intact.
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:16 PM
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29. People who hear voices in their heads shouldn't be allowed
to run for President. Bush couldn't decide whether he should listen to the one that said "invade Iraq" or the one that said "open a bottle of Jack" so he listened to them both. Or possibly confused them, being a Chimp of little brain.

Seriously, people who run for president should be vetted by a team of psychologists for evidence of severe mental illness.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 04:43 AM
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30. More than that ...
> Seriously, people who run for president should be vetted by a team
> of psychologists for evidence of severe mental illness.

The vetting should be repeated every year whilst the person holds
office. There's little benefit in fooling the medical board once then
getting eight years of free shots to wreck the world.
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