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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:40 AM
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Mike Malloy: "Judith Miller is a CIA operative"
I was listening last night to Mike Malloy. In one of his rants he put out the idea that Judith Miller is not just a crappy journalist sympathetic to the Bush regime. he took it one step further, saying he thinks she is an operative, put on the NYT staff purposely by the CIA to put out disinformation through the media.

This got me thinking... If there is any chance of this being true, what are the chances that they would only do something like this with one single person? how many of the other jerks in the media could this apply to? Are Bill Orielly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, (etc...) just morons who blatantly lie because they just happen to love the Republican Party and its ideals? Or were they put there as part of a scheme? Did the scheme originiate in the Republican party or could it actually have originated from within CIA (or some other clandestine government body)?

very strange....
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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:41 AM
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1. Interesting-is there any way to find out?
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:41 AM
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2. I've heard talk of this too
One has to wonder...
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:42 AM
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3. I can't say about the others...
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 10:42 AM by mike_c
...but Rush Limbaugh is just a garden variety moron. I mean, the CIA has standards, for crying out loud.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:44 AM
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11. The CIA has Project MOCKINGBIRD
The CIA's Project MOCKINGBIRD: Ongoing Covert Control of the Media
by Alex Constantine
Who Controls the Media?
Soulless corporations do, of course. Corporations with grinning, double-breasted executives, interlocking directorates, labor squabbles and flying capital. Dow. General Electric. Coca-Cola. Disney. Newspapers should have mastheads that mirror the world: The Westinghouse Evening Scimitar, The Atlantic-Richfield Intelligentser . It is beginning to dawn on a growing number of armchair ombudsmen that the public print reports news from a parallel universe - one that has never heard of politically-motivated assassinations, CIA-Mafia banking thefts, mind control, death squads or even federal agencies with secret budgets fattened by cocaine sales - a place overrun by lone gunmen, where the CIA and Mafia are usually on their best behavior. In this idyllic land, the most serious infraction an official can commit __is a the employment of a domestic servant with (shudder) no residency status.

This unlikely land of enchantment is the creation of MOCKINGBIRD.

It was conceived in the late 1940s, the most frigid period of the cold war, when the CIA began a systematic infiltration of the corporate media, a process that often included direct takeover of major news outlets.
----------------------------snip----------
<http://www.totse.com/en/media/the_media_industrial_comp... >
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:19 PM
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38. Thanks for the laugh, mike_c
You're probably right.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:42 AM
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4. Operation Mockingbird...
Google it.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:47 AM
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15. wikipedia
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:42 AM
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5. Did Malloy mention Operation Mockingbird?
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:43 AM
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6. It's been done before.
Google "Operation Mockingbird" and read how it was done.
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canadianbeaver Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:43 AM
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7. the mole?
Anderson Cooper!!!
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:44 AM
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8. I posted this a few days ago. I asked whether it was unusual for
a reporter who works at the NY Times to not have any degrees in journalism or communication?

According to her bio, she received a degree in economics from Barnard and a master's in international relations from Princeton (Brussels campus).
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:56 AM
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19. it is unusual for someone of her generation
It is unusual for someone of her generation in the field of journalism, NOT to have at least some kind of journalism/communications degree.

I have read somewhere however, that many people in the business (say in the last 15 years) have degrees outside of journalism (History, Law, English, Political Science etc)

But someone who works for the NYT, and is as old as Judy, ought to have come from an impressive J-school. It is a detail I find very interesting indeed.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:44 AM
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9. She certainly is in practice.
Whether she was put there by the CIA or not is sort of irrelevant. She's proven herself to be a willing mouthpiece for administration claims, repeating them without any sort of criticism. She's bragged about it, in fact.

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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:44 AM
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10. Yet, doesn't the CIA hate BushCo?
Judy's practically gone to bed with Bushco! Is this the price an undercover agent has to pay?
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:46 AM
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14. there's a split in the CIA n/t
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:45 AM
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12. I've been thinking that myself!
Good for Mike!
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:45 AM
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13. Why does everyone assume "CIA"?

There are other clandestine agencies (and clandestine wings of other agencies.) FWIW.

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:48 AM
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16. I bet the ones who don't get extra $$ for shilling feel real stupid. n/t
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:49 AM
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17. Check out the NY Times Board of Directors....


Board of Directors: http://www.nytco.com/company-directors.html


William E. Kennard

Board of Directors

William E. Kennard was elected to the Board of Directors of The New York Times Company in 2001.

Mr. Kennard joined The Carlyle Group, a private equity firm, in May 2001 as a managing director in the global telecommunications and media group. Before joining The Carlyle Group, Mr. Kennard served as Chairman of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission from November 1997 to January 2001.

Mr. Kennard served as the FCC's general counsel from December 1993 to November 1997. Before serving in the government, Mr. Kennard was a partner and a member of the board of directors of the law firm of Verner, Liipfert, Bernhard, McPherson and Hand.

Mr. Kennard is also a member of the board of directors of Nextel Communications, Inc. and Dex Media, Inc.

Committee Memberships: Nominating & Governance (Chairman) and Finance

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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:56 AM
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18. Questions like these are building.
A lot of people are starting to wonder as it's clear that Miller is a heck of a lot more than just a journalist.

Here's one thread about this from yesterday:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

The one I'm hearing a lot is more of an Israeli spy, though I'm not really into speculation on this, because it's too important to tinfoil.

But I've read about Operation Mockingbird, and I know that the media has definitely pushed its agenda on the American people, and continues to do so now.

You can tell just from the tone of the coverage that Bush has found disfavor with the corporate media elites who define what most Americans know about their government.

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:59 AM
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20. More like Mossad. Who is kidding who here? n/t
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:59 AM
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21. I like Mike, but I don't think this theory is sound
If she was a CIA agent, WHY THEN would the CIA be asking for a full investigation of the leak of the ID of one of their agents?

If Miller is CIA then how could anyone in the WH be guilty of committing the original crime (leaking identity). There would still be obstruction and conspiracy charges, but the original crime is off the table if this is true.
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choie Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:18 AM
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31. she's a stooge
I think it's more likely that she was an "office of Special Plans" agent or a PNAC agent - or maybe a Bolton agent (he did visit her in jail, right?) - it's not that hard to believe that the administration had her infiltrate the Times. It's already been proven that they pay journalists to be their propaganda tools.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:00 AM
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22. Why would we assume that Armstrong Williams is the only "plant",
instead of just the only one CAUGHT? Oh, well, Gannon too.

There may be a whole "vegetable garden" of these plants.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:02 AM
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23. OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD...and there's many more like her @WP and Globe.
But they're not CIA operatives loyal to the country, they're agents loyal to BushInc who THINK they're working for the country.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:07 AM
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27. Amen to that, brother...
the bad old CIA has found new digs, and they ain't in this country.

Hint: Follow the money. What nation over the last 20 odd years has suddenly become so wealthy that they now own 10% of the US economy?

Hint II: They supplied the terrorists for 9/11.

Hint III: Almost all the conservative former heads of government are business partners with them.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:11 AM
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28. I'll add this....Who allied with Chinese industrialists in the 70s to
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:14 AM by blm
assure the mass WalMartization of the US?

Poppy Bush...and he was helped by his brother who headed the US-China Chamber of Commerce for many years.

Now China is buying up our debt alongside Saudi Arabia and other Poppy handled nations.

Poppy Bush spearheaded an international push for global fascism. Hitler's plans ALMOST realized. Dumass Bushboy can't hold it together for the old man and his fascist cronies in the long run...I'll bet on that. Too many are waking up to their operations.

BTW...I'll be your sister patriot, brother Junk.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:52 AM
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35. Sorry sis...
:silly:

Oh, and all this is directly relevant to Plamegate as I think one of the main goals of outing Plame was to hobble the real CIA's ability to monitor all the above.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:16 PM
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37. Exactly. IranContra and BCCI facts tell us that.
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 12:18 PM by blm
Does anyone really believe that Poppy Bush woke up one day and decided that he and his cronies would no longer deal in arms and WMDs or promote disruption in targeted countries useful for their natural resources?
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:34 AM
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34. So then, this agent from
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:39 AM by slaveplanet
the country you describe above, was allowed to sit in and be a first hand witness of the torture of an American citizen by the Israelis?

She is Jewish by admission

Her writings benefit the party now in power in Israel

any other conclusion beyond that is up to the individual truthseeker.

I myself highly doubt she is CIA...



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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:59 AM
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36. Which CIA?
The real CIA that is supposed to be constrained by congressional oversight, or the bad old CIA that has (my theory) moved to new, posher digs.
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:03 AM
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24. PNAC more likely
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:06 AM by MN ChimpH8R
The CIA would likely not be so obvious. Nor would a CIA agent disclose the identity of another agent. She was not merely a NYT employee. Given the interconnections between AIPAC and PNAC, that seems to be likely. Israeli intelligence, maybe?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:25 AM
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33. Agree. She's Pentagon/PNAC since the days she was planting stuff ...
.... for Poindexter et al...


Peace.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:05 AM
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25. I'm more likely to think Miller's a Likud operative n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:17 AM
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30. One of Bebe's boys and girls?
Funny how that doesn't get used much anymore. It was fairly common in the mid90s to point out politicians and journalists influenced by Netanyahu's political goals. You never see it anymore.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:23 AM
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32. She's working for Sharon now...or was
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:24 AM by ...of J.Temperance
I've just done a "follow the money" type thing. Not many of Miller's stories would seem to benefit the CIA. However at least 90% of Miller's stories seem to be carrying water for what Likud wants...mainly war at ANY costs with Iraq. No doubt if Miller were still on the loose, she'd be lying about Iran right about now.

I think she's part of the American spy ring that's working for the Israeli government, the spy ring that includes John Bolton, Douglas Feith, Irving Libby and Richard Perle. They're all traitors, it's as simple as that.
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missingpeace Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:05 AM
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26. And let's not forget
Jimmy-Jeff-Gannon-Guckert or whatever the hell his name is. He was not a real journalist, but played one on TV.
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Bethany Rockafella Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:11 AM
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29. CIA Operative?
But it was the CIA that instigated this investigation.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:20 PM
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39. Of course she is
I can't imagine why anyone would think she's not.

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:33 PM
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40. This will be a good book when/if it ever gets written Up-LOL at the Mossad
idea.

The CIA has used the excuse of the "Mossad did i"t for at least 30 years. But then I know of of no love lost between those two, which could make more likely that the Mossad excuse is more than a cover and the CIA is trying to "get them" and has facts in addition to motivation... - - or it could be business as usual and blame the Mossad time.

But for now Judy smells like a CIA asset - just the way the NYT is treating her smells that way.

Whether her control was Bush/GOP/Pentagon patriot in the CIA, or a CIA disinfo officer, or some tight group within the CIA, will be hard to find out. Cheney hates the CIA - I wonder if he "borrowed" a few CIA assets so as to shift blame on them if caught. There are so many great plot lines! :-)

The fact that Russia finally worked out the oil companies control foreign policy fact is encouraging (the Ukraine Oil WAR has turned back to Russia's favor now that the state owns Gazprom - and EU and Mid-east oil/gas decisions are going against the international's that pretend to be American). It might bring a little balance to world power - we sure are not getting that balance via the ballot box - and might loosen the control on American life of the legacy grad oil boys that sit on the Boards and in the executive offices of so many companies (LOL at the thought that merit/education is key to the very top jobs in America).
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