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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:27 AM
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WTF? Christopher Hitchens is World's 5th Greatest Intellectual?
Here is the List:

http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/intellectuals/result...

Now here is some stuff about HItchens:

http://www.counterpunch.org/snitch.html

"Hitchens always could cobble up a moral posture out of the most unpromising material"

Here is some stuff Hitchens wrote about Cindy Sheehan and the Bring Our Troops Home movement :

http://slate.com/id/2124500/nav/tap1 /

"What dreary sentimental nonsense this all is, and how much space has been wasted on it."

Oooo! What an intellectual!

Do not forget that John Stewart mopped up the floor with Hitchens on the Daily Show. Does this mean that Stewart was over looked as the world's 4th greatest intellectual? Or that the makers of the list were blinded by Hitchens own hype and his William F. Buckley Jr.esque drawl?

:wtf:
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:28 AM
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1. misprint. They meant 5th Rate.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:09 PM
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33. Touche!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:31 AM
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2. Wow. 5th Greatest Intellectual. That and $2 will get you on the subway. NT
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:33 AM
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3. You can be an intellectual and still not make any worthwhile sense.
I agree with above poster. "5th rate" is more like it :)
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:35 AM
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4. This list is BS, biased heavily in favor of politics/economics with
poor representation of brilliant scientists from "hard science" fields.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:35 AM
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5. That's kind of a glass-half-empty response, though, isn't it?
After all, Noam Chomsky was No. 1 and Vaclav Havel was above Hitchens. Hitch seems like the token conservative, along with Wolfowitz at No. 19.

And the "who should have been on the list" list is filled with people from our side. So why get upset about Hitchens.

On the other hand, this list is obviously bunk. After all, I'm not on it :evilgrin:
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:37 AM
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7. Conservatives, by definition, cant be intellectuals, cause they stagnate.
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 10:40 AM by McCamy Taylor
And where are the scientists and artists? Where is Leonardo Boff? Ill bet Hitchens hasnt written anything as good as "St. Francis"
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:36 AM
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6. Paul Wolfowitz at number 19?
Ranking intellectuals like supermodels is a ridiculous notion to begin with.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:42 AM
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8. Shouldn't that read 5th greates drink-soaked former Trotskyist popinjay?
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 10:43 AM by ET Awful
:evilgrin:
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:08 AM
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21. yes.
a brilliant line spoken by Galloway, who himself is a pure white dove. In fact did you know that Galloway is made of pure light? ;)



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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:09 AM
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22. LMAO . . . No, I wasn't aware of that fact. I was aware that he had
an extremely sharp and piercing wit that was spot on much of the time.

As to his being a "pure white dove," I doubt that seriously.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:30 AM
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28. It's true.
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:31 AM by SlavesandBulldozers
Galloway is as pure as the driven snow. :dunce:
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:11 AM
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23. Galloway has it easier 'cause the left has better ideas to work with
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:12 AM by McCamy Taylor
so you sound smarter when you espouse them. It is really hard to make Conservative Dogma sound like anything other than total BS, which is why people like Hitchen mumble a lot, and why George Will writes nearly unintelligible prose when he doing the conservative talking points.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:28 AM
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27. in my opinion Galloway and Hitchens make a great pair
two guys who, in their own diseased minds were right all along - with amazing accents - babbling incoherently at one another about colonialism and empire.

You can cut the arrogance in the room with a knife, a very British knife with silver leaves and acorns sculpted on it.
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:50 AM
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9. "Public intellectuals" are strange birds to begin with --
if you aren't familiar with Richard Posner's book on the subject, you might enjoy this review of the same!

http://www.complete-review.com/quarterly/vol3/issue2/po...
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:56 AM
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11. He excludes those with other careers that overshadows intellectual
this means that scientists, artists, politicians get excluded, and yet these are the greatest intellectuals because they actually do something.

No wonder the pickings are so slim for "Public Intellectual". It is like comparing a list of Literary Critics to Writers. YOu would get a handfull of great critics and a hundred great writers in the 20th century. Because most people want to do, not to talk.
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:19 AM
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24. I don't disagree that those that "do" often
offer much more than those who "think" -- but the term "public intellectual" is a pretty specific one, in my understanding. I don't really agree with Posner, but I do think the idea that there is a difference between working in academia or the arts and being able to transmit those ideas to the public in an understandable way.

Artists are very public, of course -- but often the general public is confused by the art; they don't 'get it'. Does the artist explain (simplify, use analogy, whatever it takes) his/her ideas? If they do (and many do), then they become the 'public intellectual.' If they don't, it doesn't make their work any less important -- but it removes them from the public sphere of understanding. Same thing with scientists. How often do scientists publish their findings for public consumption? When they do, it usually makes the news; but they frequently do not -- it's easier to share with those who already understand your language.

**And based on the paragraph above, I clearly don't rate as an intellectual -- public or otherwise! :-)

I absolutely agree that the list was biased. Lists are always biased in some way.

There is an interesting article about the process of choosing the names that were on this list, here:
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?...
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neoteric lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:56 AM
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10. The Pope is above Daniel C. Dennett! OK, this is totally
about name recognition. Nothing else.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:57 AM
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12. Well, you have to be quite intelligent in order to...
spew complete and utter bullshit so often and for so long and get people to actually believe you.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:58 AM
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15. Shrub is an intellectual?
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:57 AM
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13. Who's #6? Ted Nugent? n/t
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:35 AM
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30. Paul Krugman, actually (n/t)
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:57 AM
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14. he is rarely the 5th greatest intellectual in any room he is in
much less the world

he's a besotted idiot

but the RW loves him and fools who mistake "British" and "drunk" for "intellectual" think he knows something they don't.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:59 AM
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16. I want to put him in a room with Alan Moore. See who walks out alive.
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:00 AM by McCamy Taylor
:headbang:

I already know who will win.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:59 AM
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17. Hitchens is like a drunk Dennis Miller
They both project the illusion of high intelligence by insisting on using big words, so they can condescendingly talk down to "plain folk".

Its just part of their arrogance.

But nothing they say is really of any substance.

And you're right, Jon Stewart took him to pieces on the Daily Show.

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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:04 AM
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20. damn that's cold.
ouch. A drunk Dennis Miller.

Dennis Miller idolizes Hitchens.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:01 AM
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18. Who made up the list of candidates, and where are the women?
:wtf:
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:04 AM
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19. David Herman's analysis of
the standings is quite interesting, and really puts it in perspective:

"I said last month in my commentary on the original Prospect/Foreign Policy list of 100 names that it seemed to represent the death of that grand tradition of oppositional intellectuals. The overwhelming victory for Noam Chomsky suggests that we still yearn for such figureswe just dont seem to be able to find any under the age of 70." http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?...

And more the pity of it. In a sense, there really is no concept of the public intellectual (at least in the United States).

The list itself is quite interesting. Sort of reminds me of one of those MTV, VH1 or E-channel top 100 moments/ people/ diasters for academics. Take out Hitchens, and while one can easily argue the rankings of all 100 ( and, for that matter some presences), all of the other top six are heavyweights. I wish I knew more about the criteria for selection of the 100 ( some - not many, but some - strange folks on the list).
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:24 AM
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laughing, rolling on floor trying to keep my ass on
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:24 AM
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25. That guarantees Galloway a place no lower than 4th.
Actually, there aren't enough places above Hitchens to include all the people who have humiliated him in public debates.

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William Bloode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:28 AM
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26. 5th greatest drunk, or
5th greatest liquored up boob. But never the 5th greatest intellectual.
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:32 AM
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29. Beg to differ
Hitch the snitch is an ignorant biggot and a darling of the neocon right.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:44 AM
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31. What part of "internet poll" don't you understand?
Have you never seen "DU this poll!" here? Don't you think that Free Republic doesn't have "Freep this poll!" too? You don't think you get meaningful results from those, do you?

This just indicates that some Iraq war supporters heard about the poll, and a lot of them voted for Hitchens.

It's tempting to vote for people like that in future polls, just to see the over-reaction on DU. :evilgrin:
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:18 PM
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32. Is Cornell West on it?
I read his book; Race Matters... absolutely brilliant
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