BUSH LIED - He Knew It Was Karl All Along --->>>

[Stephanie]

He's been lying about this for two years. The question is, did he lie to FITZ? And if he did, what are the consequences?

October 19, 2005:

Other sources confirmed, however, that Bush was initially furious with Rove in 2003 when his deputy chief of staff conceded he had talked to the press about the Plame leak.

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None of these sources offered additional specifics of what Bush and Rove discussed in conversations beginning shortly after the Justice Department informed the White House in September 2003 that a criminal investigation had been launched into the leak of CIA agent Plame's identity to columnist Robert Novak.

http://nydailynews.com/front/story/357107p-304312c.html

Sept. 30, 2003:

"I don't know of anyone in my administration who has leaked," Mr. Bush told reporters in Chicago. But, he added, "If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action. And this investigation is a good thing."

The president added, "There's too much leaking in Washington. That's just the way it is. We've had leaks from the executive branch and leaks from the legislative branch. I want to know who the leakers are."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/01/national/main...

October 7, 2003

Q Mr. President, how confident are you the investigation will find the leaker in the CIA case? And what do you make of Sharon's comment that Israel will strike its enemies at any place, any time?

THE PRESIDENT: This is the dual question. (Laughter.) I'm trying to figure out if I want to answer either of them, since you violated a major rule. (Laughter.) At least it's not a cell phone. (Laughter.)

Randy, you tell me, how many sources have you had that's leaked information that you've exposed or have been exposed? Probably none. I mean this town is a -- is a town full of people who like to leak information. And I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration official. Now, this is a large administration, and there's a lot of senior officials. I don't have any idea. I'd like to. I want to know the truth. That's why I've instructed this staff of mine to cooperate fully with the investigators -- full disclosure, everything we know the investigators will find out. I have no idea whether we'll find out who the leaker is -- partially because, in all due respect to your profession, you do a very good job of protecting the leakers. But we'll find out.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/2003100...

[spanone]

1. If true, bush* is clearly a CO-CONSPIRATOR......IMPEACH NOW.

[FreedomAngel82]

35. Yes

If he did lie to Fitzgerald about knowing about Karl Rove than it'd show me he was involved somehow.

[barbaraann]

2. But was sex involved?

If sex wasn't involved, Americans might shrug it off.

[Stephanie]

3. Karl would do Anything for George.

Anything!

[Mist]

4. And * knows that, which is why he's loyal to KKKarl

See, it's all about dedication and loyalty and friendship.

[barbaraann]

15. But will George do anything for Karl?

We shall see....

[snippy]

19. Bush screws the American people everyday. Does that count? n/t

[barbaraann]

20. I think so.

And we have a bloody stain on a red, white, and blue flag to prove it.

[DemonFighterLives]

5. Leaking from the executive branch

Hmm, wouldn't that somehow include this subhuman himself?

[burythehatchet]

6. I am looking for the exact quote when he said

that "we'll never find out who the leakers are".

[Stephanie]

8. found it, thanks!

He lied and lied and lied.

[Straight Shooter]

31. Here you go. He actually skirted the issue.

October 7, 2003:

Q: Mr. putzident, beyond the actual leak of classified information, there are reports that someone in the administration was trying to -- after it was already out -- actively spread the story, even calling Ambassador Wilson's wife "fair game." Are you asking your staff if anyone did that? And would it be wrong or even a fire-able offense if that happened?

The putzident: Well, the investigators will ask our staff about what people did or did not do. This is a town of -- where a lot of people leak. And I've constantly expressed my displeasure with leaks, particularly leaks of classified information. And I want to know, I want to know the truth. I want to see to it that the truth prevail. And I hope we can get this investigation done in a thorough way, as quickly as possible.

But the Justice Department will conduct this investigation. The professionals in the Justice Department will be involved in ferreting out the truth. These are citizens who will -- were here before this administration arrived and will be here after this administration leaves. And they'll come to the bottom of this, and we'll find out the truth. And that will be -- that's a good thing for this administration.

http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2003/10/wh100703.html

edit: oops, there's more:

Randy, you tell me, how many sources have you had that's leaked information that you've exposed or have been exposed? Probably none. I mean this town is a -- is a town full of people who like to leak information. And I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration official. Now, this is a large administration, and there's a lot of senior officials. I don't have any idea. I'd like to. I want to know the truth. That's why I've instructed this staff of mine to cooperate fully with the investigators -- full disclosure, everything we know the investigators will find out. I have no idea whether we'll find out who the leaker is -- partially because, in all due respect to your profession, you do a very good job of protecting the leakers. But we'll find out.

[Caution]

7. As far as I can find Bush spoke with Fitzgerald

but was not placed under oath

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A3668-2004Jun2...

Special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald and several assistants questioned the president for about 70 minutes in the Oval Office yesterday morning. A White House spokesman declined to comment on the substance of the interview but said Bush, who was accompanied by a private lawyer, was not placed under oath.

I couldn't find any information about a deposition provided by Bush.

This only would get him off the hook for perjury. He could still be in trouble for Obstruction of Justice.

[Stephanie]

9. So it's not considered a deposition if it's not under oath?

He was interviewed by Fitz - but he can't be caught on perjury since he wasn't under oath? Weasel.

[Caution]

10. no. a deposition is a signed written testimony

as opposed to verbal testimony given under oath. Both would leave one open to perjury if one lied. However Bush was just "interviewed"

He could still be charged with lying to a federal official, obstruction of justice, and being a part of the overall conspiracy.

If you have knowledge of a criminal conspiracy and don't come forward, an argument can be made that you are then part of the conspiracy. And yes people have gone to prison for just this in the past and will do so in the future.

While we can dream about this, I sincerely doubt that Fitzgerald would even consider indicting Bush. Best case he is listed as an unindicted co-conspirator.

[Stephanie]

11. Okay, I changed my questions. But "obstruction of justice" sounds good!

I'll take that!

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

27. A sitting president has to be impeached first

He's currently the top law enforcement officer in the US. Sick joke, huh?

He has to be removed from office prior to criminal proceedings.

[Stephanie]

28. That works for me.

Let's impeach him remove him, then try him and ____ him. Well, you know what they do to traitors.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

38. I think W needs some "aggressive interrogation" first

Have the CIA fly him where we send those "enemy combatants" for a chat first.

Better yet, have a fountain of Jim Beam outside his cell. Close enough to smell, but just a little bit out of reach.

[hang a left]

25. Lying to federal investigators is a crime....

is it not?

[FreedomAngel82]

36. Why is he never under oath???

Aah!

[Stephanie]

37. Remember this? This was re: the 9/11 Commission:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"RUSSERT: Will you testify before the commission?

BUSH: This commission? You know, I don't testify. I mean, I will be glad to visit with them. I will be glad to share with them knowledge. I will be glad to make recommendations, if they ask for some."

[jayctravis]

41. I think technically the President is *always* under oath.

When he's sworn in?

[corbett]

40. Similar To His 9/11 Testimony In That Respect

https://www.workingforchange.com/order/index.cfm?OrderF...

[brooklynite]

12. Lying is such an UGLY word...

perhaps he had a lot on his mind, and just forgot...

or PERHAPS, he had to cover things up for NATIONAL SECURITY. After all, there's a war on. Yeah, that's probably it...

[banana republican]

13. The sound of turning Aspen leaves is deafening n/t

[Stephanie]

14. Right? Who's leaking this? Someone way inside.

[RaleighNCDUer]

16. "turning Aspen leaves"

Is this a coded reference to a meeting in Aspen? Did any of the players in this comedy of errors have a face-to-face there at the time of the leak? Anybody know?

[Stephanie]

21. See the quote in Underpants sig below

It's from a cryptic note Libby sent to Miller in jail. There's been endless speculation on the meaning.

[underpants]

17. Sig line

[NNadir]

18. Bush lied? You're kidding. He seems like such an honest man.

I can't read any more. Please tell me it didn't involve something serious like a blow job.

[burythehatchet]

22. "everything we know the investigators will find out"

mull that quote over for a moment - "everything we know the investigators will find out"

[Stephanie]

24. Well he got that right anyway

Sometimes he can't stop himself from speaking the truth.

[burythehatchet]

26. my point was that he didn't say "we will tell the investigators"

it's that the investigator will "find out".

[Stephanie]

29. I see.

Well he's an asshat.

[tinrobot]

23. Isn't this a crime?

If someone knows about treason (i.e. Rove) but does nothing about it, they become a co-conspirator to treason. I believe that's a felony.

[tblue37]

30. But he wasn't questioned under oath--and that is undoubtedly WHY

he refused to be questioned under oath.

[Straight Shooter]

32. That doesn't protect him, though. See talkingpointsmemo.com today

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com

What did the putzident tell Patrick Fitzgerald? As a number of lawyers and former prosecutors have informed me this morning, not being under oath does not get putzident bush out of legal jeopardy if he didn't tell the truth.

Okay, so Marshall doesn't use the term "putzident." Otherwise, the quote is accurate.

[Nimrod2005]

33. This is the best news of the day...

[Generator]

34. This is a big leaked story-it's not about ROVE but BUSH

Bush KNEW. He knew about the leak, he lied about it and continues to lie. HEY Bush lovers-how to you defend this liar? Not only is he incompetent in everything he touches-he lies every time he breathes.

OH YEAH. It was about bringing integrity back to the office of the White House.

To quote Dr. Phil: "How's that workin' out fer ya?"

[PatriotGames]

39. Busted. So Busted. How is O'Reilly going to spin this?

[Maru Kitteh]

42. Um..... ..... ...... ........ DUH? nt

[Nothing Without Hope]

43. See also this thread - Olbermann reported on the Daily News story tonight

and there is much more too:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Thread title: MSNBC/Olbermann tonight: the huge Plame leak case news re *’s involvement