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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:40 AM
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List of Who Testified to the Grand Jury (and when)
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 08:44 AM by Laura PackYourBags
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2005/10...

Bush: Early Summer, 2004 (did not testify under oath)
Cheney: Early summer, 2004 (did not testify under oath)
Ex-Dep. Sec/State Richard Armitage
WH Assist. To. Pres. Dan Bartlett
Ex-WH press aide Claire Buchan: Feb. 6, 2004
WH COS Andy Card
Time's Matt Cooper: July 13, 2005
Ex-WH press. sec. Ari Fleischer (at least twice)
A.G. Alberto Gonzales: June 18, 2004
Ex-DOS BIR dir. Carl Ford
NSA Stephen Hadley
Ex-CIA comm. dir. Bill Harlow
Assis. Sec. of Commerce/Ex-Rove assist. Izzy Hernandez
Assist. Sec. of State Karen Hughes
Ex-Sec/State counterproliferation offic. Bob Joseph
Washington Post's Glenn Kessler
Ex junior WH press aide Adam Levine: Feb. 6, 2004
Cheney CoS Irving L. "Scooter" Libby (twice)
Ex-Cheney adviser Mary Matalin: Late January, 2004
Current WH Press Sec. Scott McClellan: Feb, 6, 2004
Ex-CIA dep. dir. John McLaughlin
Cheney aide Cathie Martin
New York Times ' Judy Miller (twice)
CIA comm. dir. Jennifer Millerwise (did not go before grand jury)
Columnist Bob Novak
Ex-Sec/State Colin Powell: July 16, 2004
Ex-Abramoff assist./Rove assist. Susan Ralston
WH DCoS Karl Rove (4 times)
NBC News' Tim Russert
Stranger who stopped Novak in the street
Ex-CIA dir. George Tenet
Sen. Adviser to Sec/State Jim Wilkinson (has said he did not testify)
Ex-Amb. Joseph Wilson

MY QUESTION, CAN CHENEY EVEN BE INDICTED IF HE WASN'T UNDER OATH?????????????????????
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SledDriver Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:46 AM
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1. Why weren't shrub and darth cheney under oath?
Is there some reason they were allowed to testify without being under oath?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:48 AM
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3. So they could lie without being indicted.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:48 AM
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2. Bush and Cheney both had to swear allegiance when
they were inaugurated. It seems to me that would suffice to cover any questioning.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:49 AM
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4. ANSWER: Yes, he can be indicted. ?He just can't be indicted for perjury
Lying to a federal officer is still a crime. And conspiracy, obstruction, espionage, or treason don't require any testimony from the offending individual to garner an indictment.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:49 AM
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5. ANSWER: Yes, he can be indicted. He just can't be indicted for perjury
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 08:49 AM by Walt Starr
Lying to a federal officer is still a crime. And conspiracy, obstruction, espionage, or treason don't require any testimony from the offending individual to garner an indictment.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:49 AM
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6. No CON-di ? No Bolton? No Jeff Gannon? I still think Gannon
is complicit somehow...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/5/212837/3714

snip
My conclusion: Gannon was planted by the WH (Rove) in April 2003 as questions surrounding the invasion of Iraq and the intelligence used were starting to be raised by the real reporters on the beat and to assist the neo-con cause as necessary in promoting the Bush agenda. He became useful early on during the Plame leak.


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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:59 AM
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8. Ding, ding, ding, ding - you got it, Laura
Jeff Gannon does seems a likely candidate for this investigation.

And while we are asking questions, why did Harriet Miers approve the male prostitute Gannon for a Bush White House "press" pass that allowed him access to the White House almost 200 times (according to the official Secret Service records)?

America deserves all the answers to all the questions.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:03 AM
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9. What's the source for Miers approving Ganon's WH press pass?
Please cite. If so, she likely knows the underside of that slimy rock too, and the Senators can ask her about it during her confirmation hearing.

This just gets better and better,
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:51 AM
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16. Start here - and then google

http://www.wonkette.com/politics/top/index.php

2005
Brief WH Bomb Scare

"Forgive us if every time we hear about "suspicious packages" at the White House, we think of Jeff Gannon, but it turns out the WH was locked down briefly this morning; someone "slipped the package under the fence." Ahem.

"And speaking of suspicious packages: We hear that Harriet Miers was once in charge of renewing press passes..."

There's more out there.

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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:20 AM
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10. Gannon claimed on freerepublic that he testified, denied it elsewhere
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 09:21 AM by emulatorloo
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/02/oped-was-gannon...

<snip>

OP/ED: Was Gannon Called to Testify in Plame Investigation?
by Rob in Baltimore - 2/17/2005 12:43:00 AM

Phoenix Woman alerted us to this March 7, 2004 thread from Free Republic. The thread is about, ironically, journalistic standards. (I kid you not.) Here's what "Jeff" had to say:
To: kristinn
Well, as many of you now know, I have been subpeonaed by the Federal grand jury for testimony in the CIA leak probe.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092073/posts

Somehow, Talon News (an internet based news service) is credible enough to be interrogated. (RKA NOTE: Emphasis mine)

Five Washington Post reporters have also been called, along with Andrea Mitchell and Tim Russert and others.

24 posted on 03/07/2004 6:49:32 AM PST by Jeff Gannon (Listen to my radio show "Jeff Gannon's Washington" on xxxxx)

Huh, interesting. Jeff tells Free Republic that he was "subpeonaed" by the Grand Jury. Well, that's not what he told Editor and Publisher Magazine on February 11, 2005:

<snip>
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:10 AM
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14. How could Gannon NOT be interrogated fully about the CIA memo???
http://dailykos.com/story/2005/1/31/93126/4150

Plame Leaked by Fake News Source? Part VI
by SusanG
Mon Jan 31, 2005 at 06:31:26 AM PDT
Overview

White House-credentialed fake news reporter "Jeff Gannon" from fake news agency "Talon News" was cited by the Washington Post as having the only access to an internal CIA memo that named Joseph Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, as a covert CIA agent. Gannon, in a question posed to Wilson in an October 2003 interview, referred to the memo (to which no other news outlet had access, according to the Post). Gannon subsequently has been subpoenaed by the federal grand jury looking into the Plame outing.

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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:29 AM
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15. More on Gannon and Plamegate....
http://www.thismodernworld.com/weblog/mtarchives/week_2...

Tom Tomorrow:
Gannon redux
Conason speculates that Guckert/Gannon may face charges in Plamegate:

The New York Times reported Friday that in addition to possible charges directly involving the revelation of Valerie Wilson's identity and related perjury or conspiracy charges, Fitzgerald is exploring other possible crimes. Specifically, according to the Times, the special counsel is seeking to determine whether anyone transmitted classified material or information to persons who were not cleared to receive it -- which could be a felony under the 1917 Espionage Act.
One such classified item might be the still-classified State Department document, written by an official of State's Bureau of Intelligence and Research, concerning the CIA's decision to send former ambassador Joseph Wilson to look into allegations that Iraq had tried to purchase uranium from Niger. Someone leaked that INR document -- which inaccurately indicated that Wilson's assignment was the result of lobbying within CIA by his wife, Valerie -- to right-wing media outlets, notably including Gannon's former employers at Talon News. On Oct. 28, 2003, Gannon posted an interview with Joseph Wilson on the Talon Web site, in which he posed the following question: "An internal government memo prepared by U.S. intelligence personnel details a meeting in early 2002 where your wife, a member of the agency for clandestine service working on Iraqi weapons issues, suggested that you could be sent to investigate the reports. Do you dispute that?"

Gannon later hinted, rather coyly, that he had learned about the INR memo from an article in the Wall Street Journal. He also told reporters last February that FBI agents working for Fitzgerald had questioned him about where he got the memo. At the very least, that can be interpreted as confirming today's Times report about the direction of the case.


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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:31 AM
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11. Repeat - what's the source for that ,SpiralHawk?
Please be kind enough to respond.

Thanks :eyes:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:55 AM
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18. Please read this thread levey
the response is tagged to your first inquiry
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:18 PM
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19. Thanks, SH. Anyone know Bunnie Diehl?
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 02:20 PM by leveymg
The source is Bunnie Diehl's blog -- http://bunniediehl.worldmagblog.com/bunniediehl/archive...

This is what she says:

October 03, 2005
Press Passes!?
True story. A friend just informed me that when he contacted the White House last year to renew his press pass, his contact was Harriet Miers. Press passes?! That doesn't exactly put her very high up on the totem pole now does it? I don't suppose she had anything to do with Jeff Gannon . . .

PRESS PASSES. Lord, have mercy.

Posted by Bunnie at October 3, 2005 10:38 AM

Comments


Nobody commented! Allow me. I recall reading that the person who authorized Gannon's initial press pass issuance was a lowly staffer in the WH Press office. It may have been that after the Gannon embroglio, that job got kicked upstairs to the WH counsel's office. Anyone know otherwise?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:55 AM
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7. Notice: No Bolton - Was he the original target?
Targets of GJs generally are not called. It's been widely reported that the Walrus had the earlier version of the State Department memo about Plame and Wilson that passed around in early July on board AF1.

Anyone know if it's been confirmed that Judy met with Bolton before her June 23 meeting with Scooter to talk about "Valerie Flame"?

If so, then Bolton may well have originally violated the Intelligence Identities Protection Act (IIPA) by sharing the State Dept. memo with Judy. All that followed with the others was conspiracy, perjury and obtsruction of justice.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:33 AM
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12. Yes, Bolton is Conspicuous By His Absence
:shrug:
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:44 AM
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13. Don't know, but remember Bolton visited Judy in jail....
Do you know if there are "super-secret" witnesses to the gj ? Or is who testified under freedom of information? Condi said the other day that she had "cooperated".

You may be right on Bolton. There's no one the slim bag wouldn't have been in the middle. And remember Hannah was on loan to Cheney from Bolton's office.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:54 AM
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17. What is that thing called the "Oath of Office"?
It should seem that anytime either the President of Vice President speak to the American people, that their Oath should be intact, considering that ordinary citizens don't have to be sworn in.
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