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Callalily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:36 AM
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Can anyone please help me
debunk what "Bohemian Grove"? I've been looking for documentation but can't seem to find any. Here's some links a friend sent me, but I don't think they are credible. I think my friend has lost it. He's sent me weird stuff before that I always debunk, but he seems to believe this stuff.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com / or http://www.TedGunderson.com

http://infowars.com/bg1.html
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:38 AM
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1. The Bohemian Grove is real
I'm not sure what you want to "debunk," but I know that it's a closely-held secret, and you might not ever find anything substantive about it.

It's a very weird story.
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Callalily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:04 AM
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5. It seems so far fetched
I just figured it couldn't be true. Where can I find valid documentation?
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:46 AM
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8. That's the point
You can't. There have been various second-hand articles published over the decades, but it's secret - much like the Fitzgerald investigation - and no one, so far as I know, has breached that secrecy.

It's true, though. Whatever you heard, I'd wager that it's true.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:43 AM
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2. You won't find any "legitimate" info.....
Because the MEMBERS of that group have NEVER
talked about what goes on there.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:45 AM
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3. uh, it's real
what's to debunk? :shrug:
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geekgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:57 AM
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4. it is very real- i have a sociology article on it someplace
the article is about bohemiam grove as a social/political network- really interesting stuff.

I can dig up the reference if anyone wants it.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:34 AM
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7. I think your article and mine are the same thing.
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 08:35 AM by mcscajun
:)

Not "mine" as in authorship, mind you. :hide:
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geekgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:15 PM
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10. yup that's the one I meant- my intro to soc class read it a while ago nt
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:33 AM
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6. There are a great many wild tales and outright falsehoods out there
about the Bohemian Grove. Here's a serious article on the topic:

Social Cohesion & the Bohemian Grove
The Power Elite at Summer Camp
by G. William Domhoff, U.C. Santa Cruz


The Bohemian Grove is a 2,700-acre virgin redwood grove in Northern California, 75 miles north of San Francisco (map), where the rich, the powerful, and their entourage visit with each other during the last two weeks of July while camping out in cabins and tents.

It's an Elks Club for the rich; a fraternity party in the woods; a boy scout camp for old guys, complete with an initiation ceremony and a totem animal, the owl. It's owned by the Bohemian Club, which was founded in San Francisco in 1872. The Bohemians started going on their little retreat shortly after the club was founded; it became big-time by the 1880s, and it continues today.

However, it is not a place of power. It's a place where the powerful relax, enjoy each other's company, and get to know some of the artists, entertainers, and professors who are included to give the occasion a thin veneer of cultural and intellectual pretension. Despite the suspicions of many on the Right, and a few on the Left, it is not a secret meeting place to plot, plan, or discuss -- everyone there is too drunk for that kind of thing anyhow. The most important decisions typically happen just where we might expect: in the boardrooms of corporations and foundations, at the White House, and in the backrooms of Congress. Yes, as I show later, some wanna-be and has-been Republican politicians sometimes visit the Bohemian Grove, including future and former presidents of the United States, but they are there to demonstrate what wonderful human beings they are, to cultivate potential financial backers, or to brag about their past exploits.

Readers who suspect that every gathering of the rich and the powerful has some deeper purpose may doubt this claim, at least until they see my evidence. For those who still might question my conclusions after reading this article, I recommend reading an excellent first-hand account of the Bohemian Grove by a journalist from Spy magazine who snuck into the encampment in 1989; the author had every incentive to tell it exactly as he saw it.

Much more here:
http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/bohemia...
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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:40 AM
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9. Never heard of the place myself, but I found this...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_bohemian_grove.html
I don't think I've ever heard of Prison Planet either, but I think I'll go back and read some more.
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