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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:00 AM
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Republican Ignorance On Public Display At Freerepublic
Republican Ignorance on Public Display at Freerepublic.com.

Source: TVNewslies.org

I visit Freerepublic.com so that I can read the opinions of hardcore Republicans on the vital issues facing out nation. I listen to all with a hope that I can learn something. I am often stunned at the childish and rude commentary I find there. Virtually every thread breaks down into a rude name-calling, cheer-leading rant, often culminating in some homophobic insult.

(snip)

Today, I discovered a thread on Freerepublic.com that showcased the ignorance, gullibility and sheer stupidity of todays Republicans. I really believe that the posts on this thread are classic examples of how the members of this forum are totally manipulated by liars in the media, such as one of their often-quoted heroes, Sean Hannity.

The thread describes how William Kristol, whom the freepers refer to as the editor of the Weekly Standard, reported the present bad mood in the White House. Several key posts expose the ignorance of a group of people who take a passionate position about something they know nothing about, and show how they blindly support people about whom they know even less.

Topic: Kristol: Mood is Bleak at White House (uh-huh)
The thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1504720/posts
Defining comment 1: How does Kristol know? Sources? Why would anyone in the White House leak to him? He doesnt have their best interests at heart.
Defining comment 2: So are we to assume Kristol is getting his information from junior aides? I cant imagine anyone who really knows anything actually talking to Kristol about this.
Defining comment 3: Kristols mood is bleak because hes a homo.
It is amazing how these posts so clearly expose the complete ignorance of Republicans when it comes to their own idols! Lets look at it more closely:

(snip)

www.tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=158
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:03 AM
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1. Self denial
Cause they just cant stop hearing bush saying
Fool me once shame on you
A fool cant get fool again.

Well who they trying to fool.
Ooop themselves I guess.
They competing for the greatest fool contest :rofl:
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:04 AM
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2. Got to love #3
It's just so logical.

:sarcasm:

:rofl:
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:06 AM
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3. Kristol is just reporting for the Liberal Media,
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:09 AM
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4. You stumbled onto something.
Over the weekend I had a conversation with a Repub who confused Scarborough for Chris Matthews. And what's worse, he thought Chris Matthews was Liberal! He also thought Lou Dobbs was Liberal!
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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:18 AM
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5. Lou Dobbs is Liberal
:rofl:
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:58 AM
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10. I am not so sure you are right. He is more old time GOP
Look what he pushes. Business but with a little govt. control. American you can be middle class, no wars, (Does any one recall Korea? Called Truman's War)Health care people can buy, etc. This is so Ike and those days.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:29 PM
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19. He put the "rolling on the floor laughing" smilie under "Lou is liberal"
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:04 PM
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21. Well, in a freeper sense of the word "liberal" he isn't.
But I do see a tendency toward a conservative, quite cautious, social liberalism in Dobbs. I think he realizes that national security and economic prosperity depend on a viable, thriving middle class.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:24 AM
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6. Freepers are incapable of rational thought.
I used to think that if people were exposed to facts, they would change their minds. Freeperville is a classic example of Lakoff's teachings: You perceive reality through the frames presented to you.

The Freepers are so conditioned to the NeoCon frame, they are physically incapable of rational thought.

It's easy to condemn them, but as partisans ourselves, we should remember that we are susceptible to the same trap the conservatives have fallen into.

This is why I don't mind infighting among Dems. Constant questioning is what keeps Liberals from falling into the same pitt the Freepers are in.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:28 AM
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7. Well said..
... and I couldn't agree more.

Anyone who thinks there isn't some (not a lot, but some) lockstep Freeper-thought (just for the other team) going on here is not paying attention.

Everyone, and I mean everyone, has to be constantly on guard against believing something just because you want to believe it.
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trekbiker Donating Member (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:27 AM
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14. agree.. dissent and debate are a healthy (though sometimes
painful) component of DU that is almost completely lacking over in FR. I've watched them set upon dissenters within thier own ranks with a fury that Nazi brownshirts would have found admirable. I dont see them as Republican or Conservative. They are radical bordering on thinkspeak Orwellian facism. This Neo-Republican party is not Conservative. They use "conservative" as a protective blanket and somehow it needs to be stripped away from them.












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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:51 AM
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8. I always read that site
I think it is more interesting in what they put on it. If the base does not control the site I will eat my hat. Even if some one answers like an old time Republican they really get it. Every one jumps on them. It is not really a GOP site or the old party but more a laissez-faire, right wing faith based site. The old party of keep spending down, wars are wasteful and no church/state is not on that site. I am really not sure what happened. I do think we will go back to state rights and it may be bad for some states but we may be better off in other states. I am over 70 and I see a movement back to what it was as I grew up to tell you the truth.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:31 PM
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20. No, it's more a Bush Administration promoting site than anything else.
If Bush changed his agenda away from winking at fundamentalists etc. tomorrow, so would fr.com.
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DIKB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:54 AM
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9. That was awesome.
I loved it. Kicked and nominated.
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mshasta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:45 AM
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15. he was only 25!?
I am so sorry for your lost...is sad to see our kids dying and this fucking administration laughing at us... :grr:
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:08 AM
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11. You're repeating yourself - "Republican", "ignorance", and
"Freerepublic.com"
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veracity Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:58 AM
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12. but. but. but..
...it has such a nice ring to it....
:-)
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:05 AM
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13. some especially interesting excerpts... denial to acceptance?
:7

The trouble with Kristol, and alot of the pundits...
is that they are smart, and they want everyone to know it.

posted on 10/18/2005 11:58:20 AM PDT by Pondman88

------

Now they are tossing Hannah's name into the mix . . . who next?
Every day they have a new suspect; makes me think they know nothing.

posted on 10/18/2005 11:49:03 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle

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"The net has been cast wide, Kristol told Fox News Tuesday.

"Lots of junior aides have testified. Its been a very
comprehensive investigation by the prosecutor. I think
there will be indictments and the mood is pretty bleak
in the White House.

Sounds like a fishing expedition to me.

posted on 10/18/2005 11:47:38 AM PDT by TheDon

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kristolnacht is a flaming rino and even worse, in mcpain's back pocket.

posted on 10/18/2005 11:41:02 AM PDT by USS Alaska
(Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)

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Wonder how Bill Kristol enjoys being in bed with Pat Buchanan?
I know politics makes for strange bedfellow but the most rabid
Neo-Con holding hands with the Most Rabid Paleo-Con?

posted on 10/18/2005 11:40:26 AM PDT by MNJohnnie

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Kristol was a leaker when he was Dan Quayle assistant,
and for that reason was kept out of big meetings where
there was important policy decisions being discussed.

He could not be trusted, and he caused the president
and his aides to keep Quayle out of the meetings also.

Kristol told Quayle a BS story that the aides were against him
because he was so much smarter than them, not because he could
not be trusted.

He was for John McCain and never got over that McCain is not
supported by most Republicans because he is a raving lunatic
that cannot be trusted to say "Hello".

posted on 10/18/2005 12:02:32 PM PDT by samantha

------

Ronald Reagan ran up deficits and accumulated an enormous
bulk of the national debt during his storied terms. This was
to defeat the Soviet Union.

GW Bush has run up deficits and debt because US GDP growth
collapsed after 9/11 when airliners were not allowed to fly
for about a week. And worse, this happened in perfect sync
with the technobubble pop post Clinton.

Yet FR chooses to hate Bush for not cutting spending
and forgets Reagan's equivalent.

Reagan nominated O'Connor and Kennedy to the USSC. GW Bush
has nominated two unknowns. The two knowns by Reagan have
been anything but staunch right wing advocates, but FR
chooses to criticize Bush's picks as unknown. It is better
to be unknown than known negative.

GW Bush made a trip to Iraq during the height of the shooting
on Thanksgiving day, flying 17 hrs each way. He personally
reached into a mass of Chilean wannabes and plucked his
security guy away from difficulty.

This is a president who behaves a president should.

posted on 10/18/2005 12:12:42 PM PDT by Owen
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:27 PM
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18. Hi Leopolds Ghost!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:55 AM
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16. wonder if they know, or care how everyone laughs at their stupidity?
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:04 PM
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17. You know what I've been thinking lately
Suppose you have this wonderful, awesome, kind, loving, big-hearted kid (like I do) or at least you think so - but then this kid starts getting into trouble - and it is ALWAYS the other person's fault and the other person is lying. Well you want to believe that kid but after let's say, just a few weeks of this (as opposed to 5 years) you at some point have just got to say, wait a minute, maybe my kid isn't who or what they think they are.....

So you've had (only a partial list):

Richard Clark writes a warning book "Against All Enemies" - their response - just trying to make a buck and he hates Bush* and is Anti-American (he just hates my kid).

John Dean - writes a warning book - "Worse than Watergate" - their response, he is just trying to make a buck and he hates Bush* and is Anti-American (he hates my kid.

Paul O'Neill - writes a warning book "The Price of Loyalty" - their response - he's just trying to make a buck and he hates Bush* (he just hates my kid).

Craig Unger - writes a warning book - "House of Bush-House of Saud", the response - he's just trying to make a buck and he hates Bush* (he just hates my kid).

Kevin Phillips - writes a warning book - "American Dynasty" - their response - he's just trying to make a buck and he hates Bush* and is Anti-American. (he hates my kid)

And of course you have Michael Moore, Al Franken, George Soros, Joe Conason, David Corn, etc. - ALL these people aren't being patriotic, they are Anti-American because they hate my kid.

Joe Wilson/Valerie Plame - their fault, they need to be convicted for outing themselves, no crime was committed, they are doing what they are doing because they hate Bush* and they are Anti-American (and they hate my kid)

The CIA - they are doing what they are doing because they hate Bush* - um oky, the CIA is now Anti-American (and they hate my kid)


Can't they see - ANYONE who speaks out against Bush, et al are not Patriots - they are Anti-American and they're only doing it because they hate Bush.

Even as the most naive parent on the planet earth - pretty soon you would have to step back and say "wait a minute, maybe my kid ain't so great, maybe they're not the kid I think them to be" - BUT No, all these Freeper types bury their head in the sand and put their fingers in their ears and say "la la la la la la" because they consciously REFUSE to see the truth.

There is the freeper logic in a nut shell - there is none.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 03:34 AM
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22. Great post! Over a year ago I used
to go to a freerepublic spinoff site. Time after time, I would post an article that showed that various people, who could not be tarred as "liberal", had come out and opposed the war in Iraq. To name two: William F. Buckley and Gen. Zinni.

I would comment thusly: "Wow, here's another wildeyed LIBERAL who thinks Our President was wrong to take us to war in Iraq."

And even showing them that non-liberals were opposed to this insane, fraudulent war--even that did not sway these true believers.

The "bushbots" should be rounded up and sent to Iraq. Every chickenhawk one of them.
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