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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:25 AM
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what if valerie plame's status wasn't covert?
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 05:32 AM by unblock
there would be no scandal.

this is why i find it so completely believable that all this happened. discrediting someone who condradicted shrub by researching his family and destroying his wife's career is just another day at the office for this band of thugs. they think nothing about the petty vindictiveness, the abuse of power, the collateral damage.

this is how they wield power. they intimidate. they let it known that if you don't say "how high" when they say "jump", they can and will destroy your life and/or your family's lives.

i think this sort of thing happens so often that they just don't report about it. but it would explain how they have such "loyalty" and cooperation even in the face of direct, contrary evidence in story after story. people are afraid NOT to cooperate because they know that saying the wrong thing can be a career- or family- ending mistake when dealing with these thugs.


and that is why i think so many people in the white house knew about the plame leak. it was just another day at the office, another work up of an uncooperative outsider. they didn't try to isolate the information because they didn't think it was important to do so. because this kind of work up DEPENDS on people getting the hint they you're behind it. it's not enough to destroy someone's wife's career if they cross you. you have to let everybody know, or at least suspect, that you did it, so as to send a message to anyone else who might think of crossing you.

and if valerie plame didn't have a security clearance, this would have been par for the course.

i think it was just an oversight on their part that no one stopped to think that plame's covert status might change the situation a bit. or maybe some junior person did raise the issue, and they all laughed, "so, you're fine with conspiring to abuse power and commit, at a minimum, a massive tort, but you're not fine with blowing someone's cover?" or "hey, we ARE the government, WE decide who's cover is worth keeping or blowing!"

nah. i honestly don't think it occurred to them that what they were doing in plame's case was any different or worse than any other.

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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:31 AM
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1. Me no understand healine hey
What is Valerie Plame :rofl:
Just having fun me got lots of typo too hahaha.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:34 AM
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3. me no understand why post when not awake yet
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 05:35 AM by unblock
sorry, it's just too damn early. remind me again why i took a job with a 2 hour commute?

groan....

p.s. -- "healine"?? (turnabout is fair play) :rofl:
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:52 AM
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10. Damn
Me looking at foot in mouth

Lucky not size 6 hey dont like pitbull.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:32 AM
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2. They knew she was CIA, and they probably knew what she did.
IF they outed her, and they did, they knew exactly what they were doing. This was not merely another Bushco hit. This was part of a war between the VP and the CIA.


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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:39 AM
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7. i think SOME of them knew and wanted her out
but i think most of them probably just thought they were working him up by attacking his family. because this sort of thing was routine for them, why would they think this one any different?
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:34 AM
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4. Ooops me just notice
Unblock moderator :hide: :hide:
You tombstone me
Me start singing
Condi Lice
Feed you Rice
You feel real Nice
After eating all that Lies
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:37 AM
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6. unblock gentle moderator, not banana republican thug
but it would be in keeping with the theme of this thread to tombstone you for your less than complete support.

:evilgrin:
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:42 AM
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9. Me support unblock
Unblock very good.
Me think very important now
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Need Unblock blood flow to Chimp brain
Brain still good never use
So unblock very important now .

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McKenzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:35 AM
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5. If the Fitz case is proceeding on the basis
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 05:37 AM by McKenzie
of deliberately leaking the identity of a covert agent, as we know it is, then the buggers might be in for a nasty shock. I posted a link a few threads below that contains a comment from a former CIA operative. His take on the investigation is that what might be in Fitz's mind is charges of treason.

If that is correct then the Fitz investigation takes on an entirely different complexion. It would move from being a case of defending against charges of wrongdoing, which is bad enough, to defending against charges of treason. That is a tad more serious.

You are right about their cavalier attitude. Their hold on power has bred an arrogance that lead to a huge error of judgement though. If it is a case of treason then...well you don't need me to spell it out.

cheers.

<edit>error in my context
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:40 AM
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8. The CIA demanded that this case be investigated and a
GJ created to bring this to justice. It is not a whim of the CIA to demand this. The CIA knows what Bushco did.
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willing dwarf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:03 AM
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11. It's the law
It doesn't matter what they were thinking, it is a law that it is illegal for a government employee to reveal the identity of CIA operatives. Some guy in Africa (Niger?) did it as retribution for a grudge he had, and at least one CIA agent got killed, which resulted in making this a law in-- I believe-- late 1980's.
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Quadrajet Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:06 AM
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12. Interesting freep thread about this...
...here. One of the posters (AntiGuv) is actually speaking some sense and the freeps can't really argue with it.
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