Fineman: How the neocons have developed a political exit strategy.

[sabra]

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9674425/site/newsweek/

Conservative Crackup
How the neocons have developed a political exit strategy.

By Howard Fineman
Newsweek

Oct. 12, 2005 - President George W. Bush may have no military exit strategy for Iraq, but the “necons” who convinced him to go to war there have developed one of their own—a political one: Blame the Administration.

Their neo-Wilsonian theory is correct, they insist, but the execution was botched by a Bush team that has turned out to be incompetent, crony-filled, corrupt, unimaginative and weak over a wide range of issues.

The flight of the neocons—just read a recent Weekly Standard to see what I am talking about —is one of only many indications that the long-predicted “conservative crackup” is at hand.

The “movement” —that began 50 years ago with the founding of Bill Buckley’s National Review; that had its coming of age in the Reagan Years; that reached its zenith with Bush’s victory in 2000—is falling apart at the seams.

[tk2kewl]

1. and its out job to make sure all neocons and their insane ideas ...

go down with ship

[Beetwasher]

2. Fuck You Howie, You Disgusting Whore! (Luke Skywalker??? R2D2???)

"In 1973, Karl Rove met George W. Bush, and became the R2D2 and Luke Skywalker of Republican politics."

R2D2??? Luke Skywalker!?? Try the Palpatine and Darth Vader you idiot. There's nothing honorable or cute about Rove.

[napi21]

5. Honorable or cute...NO! Effective...YES!

Rove is a despicable, unethical political hack, but he DID accomplish what he intended!

I like Fineman's commentaries. Lots of what he says are insinuations with a smile.

I'd compare the neo-cons to a corporation that depends on only ONE supplier. That supplier is terrific, and gives them great prices, on time shipments, and a product that sells very well. But the day somes when disaster hits that one supplier, and it fails! The dependant company goes down with them because they were dumb enough to rely on only a single source!

[Beetwasher]

13. But The Luke Skywalker Comparison???

Give me a break. Luke is the iconic hero fighting for justice, how could any seriously make that comparison???

[napi21]

18. Howard uses analyagies that he thinks most people will understand.

You are comparing his comment to the charachter "luke", Howard is comparing Rove to a fictional movie.

Remember, most people in the US don't put a lot of deep thought into what they hear. They hear a comment like that, and they laugh and say, yeah, Rove was just play acting in a pretend movie that was real.

[Beetwasher]

24. But It's an Awful Analogy and Howie Knows It's Not Appropriate

He's not an idiot. There are other analogies he could use, instead he uses a heroic one to describe Karl Rove. He knows exactly what he's doing. It may be a bit more subtle, but he's still a whore who thinks these scumbags are just dandy.

[bluestateguy]

3. I can't figure out Howard Fineman

For 3-4 years, especially after 9/11, this guy was just gushing all over Bush. It strikes me that he always seems to be sort of sticking his finger to the wind and writing his stories accordingly. Journalists like that should not be trusted.

[populistdriven]

16. because Fineman is a Neocon himself?

[blm]

4. Hate to admit it, but this only could've happened thanks to Bush stealing

yet another election.

Alot of this stuff could never have happened without BushInc showing their absolute arrogance by revealing their post-election agenda with SC picks, attacks on Social Security, dismantling protections like FEMA.....they could have regrouped after a loss with little of their agenda noted by the American public.

[KoKo]

23. But the sad thing is that we had to live through all this and now the

Fineman's get credit for reporting what we've known since "Selection 2000."

It's as if we don't exist to the Fineman's and the DLC wing of the Democrats. I hope we don't end up with Repug Lite to fill in the big shoes the Crack Up will leave behind.

It's going to be time for a strong Populist Progressive Reform Movement to start working to try to repair the damage done and chart a new future, but I think that instead we will get the "same old, same old" because the Media and the Corporations won't allow a change or any discussion of exactly how the Bush Dynasty following Reagan has screwed us and brought our country down.

[kenny blankenship]

6. Always the same refrain with this bunch

"you didn't let us go crazy enough!"
It sounds familiar to anybody who's encountered Refucklicans saying "We didn't lose Vietnam, we weren't allowed to win! They made us fight with one hand tied behind our backs--."
As if a million Vietnamese dead was the result of a policy of restraint.

[MN ChimpH8R]

7. Aren't the neocons themselves the Chimp Adminstration?

Just sayin' ya know. :shrug:

[blm]

12. Partly. But most of WH staff came direct from Heritage Foundation.

.

[MN ChimpH8R]

15. Cheney, Rummy, Wolfowitz, and the rest of the

idiots who brainstormed the Iraq war were all charter PNAC members, though. The architects of this insanity and failure to plan were the neo-cons. They dreamed it up, they screwed it up.

[blm]

17. Undoubtedly. IMO, they used the Heritage Foundationers as their beards to

dupe the real conservative Republicans and the religious right to go along with their fascist agenda.

[Lexingtonian]

8. Ah yes, the ideologue's/nutcase's eternal defense

It's never fundamentally the fault of the absurd idea, it's always that the people who tried to implement it did so without Adequate Purity.

Let the purges and firing squads begin.

[bluedawg12]

11. didn't they say this about their failed communist ideas, too? n/t

[Jack from Charlotte]

22. Like a bad football coach.... "If only those players could play .....

like I coached 'em to."

[bluedawg12]

9. I predicted this months ago when Krystalcon said shrub botched

Iraq.

They will dump him because he failed them- but they will never dump their agenda.

[me b zola]

14. That's right, they will protect their agenda at all costs

It sounds as though Fineman may be attempting to undummy-down the sheeple.

[McKenzie]

10. Rove has had more influence than I thought

I had always figured Cheney was the real political strategist in the current administration and the main influence on neocon strategy. Seems I was off the mark there after seeing how long, and how closely, Rove has been allied to Bush. Now I see why his possible indictment is such a big deal.

The article suggests that a big falling out has already started within the Rep' Party. I'm going to be glued to the monitor for the next week or so...it is starting to look like things will get very interesting. Pity I don't like popcorn...pistachio nuts will do instead.

[annabanana]

19. me? pistachio taste on a popcorn budget.... ah well

:popcorn:

[McKenzie]

21. I'm off to get some - I'll bring a bag back for ya! n/t

[Mist]

20. Aren't the neo-cons cronies themselves? But they're complaining

that the * admin. is incompetent and crony-filled? It's fun watching
starving rats chew each others tails! :rofl: