Any proof Michael Moore was physically helping Katrina victims?

[Smoke Screen]

For arguments sake, I am looking for proof that Michael Moore physically helped out with the Hurrican Katrina effort. Does anyone have any pictures of him helping or a news article that states he physically helped out? I've been to his web site and haven't read anything that says "he" actually helped out. Thanks.

[devilgrrl]

1. Not sure but there's definitely photographic proof that * didn't do squat!

Which should be more of a concern especially since Michael Moore isn't the pResident.

[Stephanie]

5. Here's that proof >

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4550031

[Teaser]

2. Welcome to DU?

What took you so long to join?

[havocmom]

3. Physically helped? Wanna define just what you mean?

Would be interesting to see what sort of qualifiers you want to use.

[Smoke Screen]

14. Physically Helped

Basically, I am looking for proof that Michael Moore was physically in Louisiana/Mississippi/Alabama helping with the Katrina effort. A pic or an article that showing he was "there" would be great. On his website, he mentioned his staff was in the Gulf helping out, but I didn't see anything where he said he was there. Any help would be great!@

[mzmolly]

18. I don't think he made this into a photo op like Bush did.

He just went and helped out.

I imagine at some point we'll get some footage of the disaster via Mr. Moore.

[havocmom]

19. Did you ever donate to any needy cause?

Did you always deliver in person?

Did you physically help?

Just curious, because ANY help is great.

[Smoke Screen]

22. Yes to all!

I'm a progressive! Of course!

[Vanje]

27. "of course!"

!Is there any physical proof that you gave to a worthy cause?

[havocmom]

28. And you're FAST too!

Gee, so if someone is, mmm, say housebound due to illness and/or infirmity and can only send checks amounting to 1/10 of their income to charity, but not leave their house, can they still be progressive?
Even if they didn't 'help physically'?

Inquiring minds wanna know

[devilgrrl]

29. uh huh, sure you are...

:eyes:

enjoy your brief stay.

[Vanje]

31. Is there any proof that you're a progressive?

I mean physical proof.

[CatWoman]

72. BWAHAHAHA

:rofl:

[in_cog_ni_to]

84. I LOVE DU.

:7

[havocmom]

47. Yes to all? You ALWAYS delivered your help in person?

Amazing. Your travel agent must be very busy with you, or you don't deliver help very often?

[Vanje]

23. Yesterday you asked for proof that bush had "Coke Jaw"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4989873


Any luck with that?

[Smoke Screen]

46. PM me and I'll explain

[Horse with no Name]

55. lol

:rofl:
Poke.

[Vanje]

59. PM link on your DU profile sez

PM not available yet.

[Horse with no Name]

58. Tomorrow's question will have to do with Bill Clinton

:evilgrin:

[MissB]

63. Wrong!

It'll be Hillary.

[in_cog_ni_to]

79. Why does it matter? Is there a reason why it's important for him to BE

there, "physically?" The man helped to raise a TON of money via his web site. He closed up his office in NY (?) and sent his entire staff to NOLA and the Gulf Coast and helped the Veterans for Peace. Why do you want to know if he was there?

[rocktivity]

85. If Moore is paying his staff to work down there

that's all the proof of "physical assistance" I need!

:headbang:
rocknation

[Ruby Romaine]

4. tell me what Bush has done to help hurricane victims?

other than line his cronies pockets.

[sasha031]

9. he has been working with "Veterans for peace"

Friends,

My staff has been down in New Orleans and on the Gulf Coast for nearly a month now setting up and running our own relief effort with Veterans for Peace. The overwhelming response from so many of you has directly affected the lives of thousands of people. Here's what we've been able to do with your help:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

[Name removed]

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[Spazito]

7. Geez, I am going to have to up my stock of popcorn!

:popcorn:

[havocmom]

17. Please, allow me...

Next time, shop COSTCO! ;)

[Spazito]

24. LOL, thanks and love COSTCO!

[H2O Man]

8. Course if there is

those republican devils will claim that brother Michael just did it for publicity. Tricky bastards, at least some of them.

[devilgrrl]

10. No! Sean Penn did it for publicity!!!

:sarcasm:

[H2O Man]

12. Ha!

Not these the republican devils that always hide their good works.

[devilgrrl]

21. Ever notice that you never hear about rightwing celebs helping out...

their fellow man?

What have Bruce Willis, Chuck Norris or Charlie Daniels done for anyone on the gulf coast?

[soleft]

30. Mel Gibson..............

[devilgrrl]

36. Gibson may be a religious whack but...

he certainly isn't a Bushite. Therefore, he doesn't count.

[IntravenousDemilo]

67. Well, to his credit, Bruce Willis did take part in the Concert.

Not singing, fortunately, just speaking between a couple of the songs.

At least I THINK he did. Am I wrong?

[myrna minx]

54. And they quietly and humbly pray in their closets. n/t

[NYCGirl]

11. A better question is why are the freepers OBSESSED with Michael Moore?

They're OBSESSED to the point of mental illness.

[zbdent]

71. The nail in Moore's coffin was

being the first public figure to point out that Bush made sure Osama bin Laden's family flew out of the US while the rest of the aviation in the US was in lockdown (except for military . . . not even LifeFlights were allowed).

For the longest time, the righties kept saying :tinfoilhat:er! :tinfoilhat:er! :tinfoilhat:er! - until the White House actually had to admit it - but well after the 2004 election, thus proving Michael Moore spaketh the truth . . .

[libnnc]

13. coming out of the woodwork these days

aren't they?

:popcorn:

[havocmom]

35. Stop eating popcorn. You'll spoil your appetite for lunch!

Smells like we are having something with oregano and pepperoni

[libnnc]

40. too late...

actually I'm eating cheddar cheese toast :9

[AlCzervik]

15. Are you being tested on it?

[Sannum]

16. lordy, lordy, lordy

[lectrobyte]

20. Did he or someone else say he physically helped out? For arguments

sake, I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but it seems like I can't find any pictures that prove you aren't here to provoke a round or Moore-bashing.

[Smoke Screen]

32. I'm sorry!

I'm totally new here. I was wonder why so many people are acting like asses to a fellow progressive brother. Now I get it. You all think I'm here to start rippin Michael. No. I like Mike, but in anohter message board, I'm "debating" with reich-winged a-holes about his appearance in Lousiana. I just wanted a pic or an article showing that he was there with his crew helping out. So if you all could bite your lips and save your rude comments people who oppose your views, that would be great!

[MissB]

34. I think you'd be far better served

if we taught you how to respond to stupid strawman arguments. Until then, you won't really be "debating".

[lectrobyte]

38. I'm sorry if I overreacted -- Not a good Welcome. Welcome and

don't let this scare you off.

[Smoke Screen]

44. That's ok

I have to admit, I was a little surprised with all the rude remarks to this post. But then again, I'm sure there's alot of freepers around that start trouble. All I wanted was a quick answer, but got a bunch of stupid remarks in return. Good thing I'm hard headed. Am I now allowed to walk through the DU pearly gates and post a message without people giving a-hole remarks?

[titoresque]

48. BWAA-HAA-HAAAA!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Yeah sure, you can "walk though the pearly gates" and please join us
on October 31st for our annual Satanic Revival....

You'll love the "flaming freeper sacrafice" it gets a little messy.....good thing you're tough though! :rofl::rofl:

[earth mom]

50. If you're trying to prove a point to freepers-FORGETABOUTIT!

Even if you have a thousand photos of Michael Moore helping the Katrina victims, the freepers will accuse you of photoshopping them. I know what I'm talking about. It's a wasted effort.

Good luck and welcome.

[Smoke Screen]

51. Thanks

I'm aware of the stupid freeps. I participate in other message boards here and there and wanted to throw something out to some jerk. I understand its a waste of time and normally don't participate in needless dialogue. But in this case, I felt the urge.

[earth mom]

73. You're welcome.

I used to post on a board like you're talking about and spent over a year trying to knock some sense into those people. I finally realized the futility of it when I found DU. Life is too short to waste on them!

:banghead:

[lectrobyte]

70. Allowed? Sure! Enjoy the fun.

[in_cog_ni_to]

82. Oh dear. That little comment isn't gonna get you anywhere! Not a way to

make new friends. :eyes: DU pearly gates???? Good grief. Enjoy your visit.:hi:

[titoresque]

45. debating.........

BWAHAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
You're series right?!!!11111111!!!!!!!!!1
This is HUGH!!!!!1111111111!!!!!!111

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Bushknew]

69. Link? Prove it

[in_cog_ni_to]

81. Hon, THAT should have been your original post. Things would have been more

pleasant for you. ;) We're (some of us, that is) VERY protective of Michael Moore and what he has done to help our party. He deserves kudos for all he has done in NOLA too.

[Cult]

89. Very true. (off-topic, kinda!)

I work at a Barnes & Noble in a VERY Gun-toting conservative town, and I alwas recommend Mike's books....Of course, the people in this town will cover my recommendations with crap like 'Slander' and stuff like that....::sigh:: Lovely Santee, California. We always get hate calls about our store, people harassed us about that stupid swift boat book. They accused us of holding it in the back, and not selling it. Anyway, I've made my dent recommending Mike's books. Especially 'Will they ever trust us again'. The military families liked that one.



-E!

[MissB]

25. Welcome to DU!

Enjoy your stay.

What sort of strawman arguments are you getting into? Did it go something like:

Smoke Screen: Well, Bush didn't do anything to help with the Hurricane Katrina effort!

Freeper: He's the President! He's not supposed to get his lily-white hands dirty. Besides, what exactly did Michael Moore do to help out? Huh?

****

You should be able to beat arguments like that down easily. If I'm missing some context on the argument, please feel free to fill it in.

[Canadian Socialist]

26. This is a damned if he did, damned if he didn't situation

I don't believe MM ever said he, personally, was there. Just his staff. But, if he did go there, and there were pictures, then the right would say it was a publicity stunt. If he didn't go there, then the right would say, "see, he doesn't care... all talk no action". Just sayin'

[wrathofkahn]

39. I don't believe he ever said the he was acutlly going, either...

And if I'm not mistaken, I think I heard he is/was actually somewhere for an intensive weight loss program or something like that? If that's the case, he wouldn't be in much of a position to go to New Orleans.


I'll see if I can hunt down a link.



Edit: I'm not certain how reliable this is, since it just comes from a blog that cites The New York Post, but he apparently was entering a facility to lose weight on or about August 24.

[Maddy McCall]

33. With whom are you arguing? Those buttwads at Moorewatch?

Sounds like that's where you got your info.

[ohtransplant]

37. I guess all that pesky financial help isn't what you're looking for.

Sorry...

You might be looking in the wrong place.

:popcorn:

[progressivebydesign]

41. Why is that important to you? Here is what Moore has done:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=187

He doesn't need photo ops, doesn't need to hold up relief while he poses.. he puts his money where his mouth is and accomplishes what you'll read in the above link. He may have been down there, or he may have simply instigated the enormous relief effort you'll read about in that link. Bush has gone down there 5 times, and was physically there.. he did not lift a finger to help anyone.

Next question.

oh.. and when Sean Penn went there, the freepers all claimed it was a photo op and that he paraded around doing nothing. Both of which were false. The asshole freepers will believe what they want to bolster their fragile self esteem with lies to make them feel better as to why they have nothing to show for all the years of being selfish republicans.

[Pacifist Patriot]

42. What difference does it make?

If he wasn't there physically, his efforts certainly supplied relief. As a hurricane victim (think Florida 2004) I'm as impressed with someone who can mobilize resources as I am with someone passing out bags of ice and flashlights on the side walk. Put your skills where they have the most advantage.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

43. Peter Parker didn't spot him, but thinks he's a swell guy nonetheless.

[Balbus]

49. Apparently there is no proof or you would have had it by now.

So I guess this question is answered.

[titoresque]

52. heres a suggestion

why dont you go back over to Moores site and read what he said.
He said it VERY clear.......he had a team of his people there. HE NEVER claimed that he was there. DUH! So what is the freaking point?

You'd have a decent arguement if Moore ever actually claimed he was there....but he didnt! He did however claim a lot of other things, if you want to "debate" then do some digging as to whether he actually did any of the things he ACTUALLY claimed! again.......DUH!

Another thing in case you STILL don't "get it" Moore is not the Pretzledent! Who gives a flying fuck if he went there physically?!
And why is it the job of DUers to fact check this garbage anyhow.....do your own damn research, maybe you'll learn a thing or two along the way............like........there are bigger fish to fry! And the foul odor comes from the WH........DUH!

[Smoke Screen]

60. Why are you being such an ass?

Why are you even on this forum if all you can do is act like a jerk to someone new who obviously hasn't got a handle of how things work in the DU?

I came here to learn, get answers, and participate in decent diaglogue with people who share the same ideal as me. I wonder how many true Dems you have chased off?

Now, I'm too hard headed to run away. I'll drop in once in a while when I want need answers or want to get someones opinion. Let's hope next time people don't act like jerks. Other than that, I feel pretty welcome!

[titoresque]

64. Good I'm glad someone welcomed you

now you feel good. And you can move forward with finding out the important stuff like whether Moore was actually in NO. :rofl:

BTW, who asked anyhow? And why didnt you just give him/it/her the same reason you've got in this thread over and over?
Just curious....why did you feel it so urgent to debate this sort of garbage?

[donheld]

77. Welcome to DU smokescreen

:hi: Sorry so many fellow DUers are being such asses to you. We do get a lot of fakes in here, but the attacks on you are really quite uncool! :spank:

[Coexist]

61. Are these not good enough for you???

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=187

http://michaelmoore.com/mustread/covington.php

http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/covington.php?id=45

http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/covington.php?id=47

http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/covington.php?id=44

[Balbus]

66. Good enough for me? I wasn't inquiring. Sell it to the person who asked.

[Bridget Burke]

53. Did Michael Moore claim he was in NOLA helping?

According to his website, his staff was down there. They're still there, by the way. His staff & contributions given through his website have helped quite a bit. His physical presence would not make much difference.

As opposed to a certain jackass who's burned aviation fuel for numerous photo ops & has done jack shit to help anyone.

What are you trying to prove?

[lizlib]

57. Bush

was just a glorified rubber necker...


I agree why do we have to prove MM did anything? Is he now first response?

[SidDithers]

56. Did Moore ever make the claim that he "physically" helped?...

Ask those with whom you're debating to provide the source for the claim that Moore did physically help the victims of Katrina. You've got to turn it back on those who are making a claim, otherwise you'll spend your whole life trying to prove something which may have never happened.

Sid

[Smoke Screen]

62. Thanks!

Thanks for the advice and for being courteous.

[Shakespeare]

65. Do you have any proof he claimed to be physically there?

Uh-huh. You sure do ask a lot of loaded questions for a new guy.

[crispini]

68. Good Gad, people, can't you be at all polite to a new person?

Hellooooooooo --- assume the best until proved otherwise?

Jeez Louise, I hope that none of my political neophyte friends ever show up HERE and ask these kinds of questions. They'll just get their arse handed to 'em on a platter. That's really encouraging and helpful to the noobs. NOT. :eyes:

[Name removed]

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[frogmarch]

75. As a DU newcomer myself

with a low post count, I'd like to know what specific questions, or types of questions, I should not ask. Are there rules pertaining to this posted somewhere?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

76. Ones that appear to be accusatory or critical towards prominent liberals

or Dems would certainly raise suspicion, if you are posting threads/posts like this in your very earliest posts.

The basic concept is, you've built up no "cred" in the group, and appear to be trying to stir up trouble. Even if that's not the case, surely it is not difficult to see how that perception can easily arise?

Especially when Bush worshippers of various stripes love to infiltrate and disrupt this board, particularly when there is big trouble facing their tin god, which is pretty much this whole last few months.

So if you come across as starting threads that "stir the pot" in your earliest posts, and then are defensive and angry with those who question you, it won't be well received, whether this response is correct or not.

If we went over to right/Bush leaning sites like fr.com, started accounts, and immediately started posting threads like "Is there any proof that Rush Limbaugh DOESN'T shoot heroin?" within the first 50-100 posts, it would tend to raise eyebrows..."

This is more of a COMMON SENSE rather than a "rules" thing. If it's not fairly obvious, there's probably not much more explanation that can be helpful.

[in_cog_ni_to]

88. What I did when I first came here...

I just posted on threads and when I had a few hundred posts, THEN I felt secure/brave enough to start a thread. In my first thread I posted an article and was SKEWERED by DUers because it was "an old article" and EVERYONE had already read it. :eyes: and they were more than happy to let me know that. It can be BRUTAL here, so grow some VERY THICK SKIN. ;)

For THIS poster (OP). She/he posted, IMCPO, in an accusatory tone. As if Michael Moore said he was in NOLA and she wanted proof. That's how I read it anyway.:hi:

Welcome to DU, BTW!:hi:

[mandyky]

78. First of all, did MM claim to BE in MS and physically helping?

He sent emails and posted on his website what was needed by various groups he was in contact with. He posted an update on what had been delivered and that things were still needed, and what thos things were. Brownie (heck of a job guy) still doesn't know what's been delivered, and where. Rural areas have been forgotten.

Michael Moore lent his name and contacts to get the word out more than the people whose actual job it is to know what is going on down there. Michael Moore is and loves common everyday people. Do you want him down there doing photo ops? I don't, I am happy he is lending his name and a hand in any way. It shows what we all know - Liberals have big hearts and help in a pinch.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

80. there we go again

[Catherine Vincent]

83. Most folks would welcome you to DU.

But I'm not. You stink. Peeeewwww!

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

86. Yes. I have a video of him saving 26 fetuses from the roof of a mosque...

The video is available for production costs plus 25%.

[uppityperson]

87. He helped by sending staff, money, organizing, doing what he does well

I don't think his physical body was there. "He" did help very much in organizing, promoting help, financially, contributing his staff, etc. He helped by doing what he does well, rather than totting supplies in 90+ heat and 90+ humidity. He physically helped by what he does well and was/is greatly appreciated by those of us who were physically totting those supplies in the gulf coast or loading stuff elsewhere to be shipped there.