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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:39 PM
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Plane Carrying Viruses Crashes in Canada
This is like the beginning of some hollywood thriller movie:

Plane Carrying Viruses Crashes in Canada
Oct 06 6:57 PM US/Eastern

WINNIPEG, Manitoba


A cargo plane carrying small amounts of flu virus crashed on railway tracks near Winnipeg's city center Thursday, killing the pilot but missing buildings and vehicles, authorities said.

The research samples of frozen influenza and herpes viruses were destroyed in the crash and ensuing fire along with other freight, Federal Express spokeswoman Karen Cooper said.

She said the Cessna 208 was owned by Morningstar Air Express of Edmonton and was under contract to FedEx.

Morningstar spokesman Don Boettcher didn't immediately identify the woman piloting the aircraft. "She'd been with us for about five years," he said, without providing further details.

The plane took off from the Winnipeg airport en route to Thunder Bay, Ontario, at about 5:45 a.m. and traveled about four miles southeast of the airport before it requested a return, Transportation Safety Board investigator David Ross said.

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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/10/06/D8D2QNPG2.html
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:41 PM
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1. It really does ... it has a sort of Michael Crichton feel to it.
But I'm ticked off at him, so I hope someone else gets the script written first!
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:42 PM
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Almost to perfect, if you ask me.
Nobody does.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:42 PM
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2. I hope they were burnt up?
Geez. That could be really bad.
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Jeanette in FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:43 PM
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3. This is unbelievable
In fact if you tried to present this as a movie script they would probably tell you it is too far fetched. This along with the 30+ microbiologist that have been killed the past year or so is getting to be surreal.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:44 PM
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4. Where have you heard about microbiologists getting killed?
Sounds kinda tinfoil-hattish.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:47 PM
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6. There is a list of them somewhere. I've seen it.
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 06:49 PM by shraby
Someone collected the news articles. Here are some from google.

<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=microbiologist+killed>
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:50 PM
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8. It's really true
an inordinate number of microbiologists have died, many under suspicious circumstances, in the past few years.

The first thought was this was a way to release the virus, then of course I realized that there probably weren't any samples on board...
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politick Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:10 PM
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20. Ah, but don't you read the NYT?
They ran a huge spread in the Magazine a cwhile back (can't find it at the moment) dispelling all conspiracy theories whatsoever, including the microbiologist deaths. To illustrate, they used the example of two twins who died on the same day.

Wow.

And to cap it off, they "proved" that there's no such thing as an athlete getting a hot hand (despite the fact that I've seen it happen on dozens of occasions) by showing it's not statistically possible.

Ahem.

So there you go. NO conspiracies. Ever. The New York Times says so.

/sarcasm
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Jeanette in FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:51 PM
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9. This is just a partial list
THE LIST http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/deadbiologists

November 6, 2001: Jeffrey Paris Wall's body was found sprawled next to a three-story parking structure near his office. Mr. Wall, 41, had studied at the University of California, Los Angeles. He was a biomedical expert who held a medical degree, and he also specialized in patent and intellectual property. It had been alleged that Jeffrey Wall had a connection to Biofem.

November 16, 2001: Dr. Don Wiley, 57, disappears during a business trip to Memphis, Tennessee. He had just bought tickets to take his son to Graceland the following day. Police found his rental car on a bridge outside Memphis. His body was later found in the Mississippi River. Wiley was one of the world's leading researchers of deadly viruses, including HIV and the Ebola virus. He was an expert on the immune system's response to viral attacks.

November 21, 2001: World-class microbiologist and high-profile Russian defector Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, 64, dies of a stroke. Pasechnik, who defected to Britain in 1989, succeeded in producing an aerosolized plague microbe that could survive outside the laboratory. He was connected to Britain's spy agency and recently had started his own company. "In the last few weeks of his life he had put his research on anthrax at the disposal of the Government, in the light of the threat from bioterrorism.

November 24, 2001: Three more dead microbiologists: A Swissair flight from Berlin to Zurich crashes during its landing approach; 22 are killed and nine survive. Among those killed are Dr. Yaakov Matzner, 54, dean of the Hebrew University school of medicine; Amiramp Eldor, 59, head of the haematology department at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv and a world-recognized expert in blood clotting; and Avishai Berkman, 50, director of the Tel Aviv public health department and businessman

December 10, 2001: Dead microbiologist: "Dr. Robert Schwartz, 57, was stabbed and slashed with what police believe was a sword in his farmhouse in Leesberg, Va. His daughter, who identifies herself as a pagan high priestess, and three of her fellow pagans have been charged." All were part of what they called a coven, and interested in magic, fantasy and self-mutilation. The police have no motive as to why they would have wanted to kill Schwartz, who was a single parent and said to be very close to his children. Schwartz worked at Virginia's Center for Innovative Technology on DNA sequencing and pathogenic microorganisms.

December 14, 2001: Dead microbiologist: Nguyen Van Set, 44, dies in an airlock filled with nitrogen in his lab in Geelong, Australia. The lab had just been written up in the journal Nature for its work in genetic manipulation and DNA sequencing. Scientists there had created a virulent form of mousepox. "They realized that if similar genetic manipulation was carried out on smallpox, an unstoppable killer could be unleashed,"

January 2002: Two dead microbiologists: Ivan Glebov and Alexi Brushlinski. Glebov died as the result of a bandit attack and Brushlinski was killed in Moscow. Both were well known around the world and members of the Russian Academy of Science.

February 9, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Victor Korshunov, 56, is bashed over the head and killed at the entrance of his home in Moscow, Russia. He was the head of the microbiology sub-faculty at the Russian State Medical University and an expert in intestinal bacteria.

February 11, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Dr. Ian Langford, 40, is found dead, partially naked and wedged under a chair in his home in Norwich, England. When found, his house was described as "blood-spattered and apparently ransacked." He was one of Europe's leading experts on environmental risk.

February 28, 2002: Two dead microbiologists in San Francisco: While taking delivery of a pizza, Tanya Holzmayer, 46, is shot and killed by a colleague, Guyang Huang, 38, who then apparently shot himself. Holzmayer moved to the US from Russia in 1989. Her research focused on the part of the human molecular structure that could be affected best by medicine. Holzmayer was focusing on helping create new drugs that interfere with replication of the virus that causes AIDS. One year earlier, Holzmayer obeyed senior management orders to fire Huang.

March 24, 2002: Dead microbiologist: David Wynn-Williams, 55, is hit by a car while jogging near his home in Cambridge, England. He was an astrobiologist with the Antarctic Astrobiology Project and the NASA Ames Research Center. He was studying the capability of microbes to adapt to environmental extremes, including the bombardment of ultraviolet rays and global warming.

March 25, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Steven Mostow, 63, dies when the airplane he was piloting crashes near Denver, Colorado. He worked at the Colorado Health Sciences Centre and was known as "Dr. Flu" for his expertise in treating influenza, and expertise on bioterrorism. Mostow was one of the country's leading infectious disease experts.

November 12 2002: Dr. Benito Que, 52, was "an expert in infectious diseases and cellular biology at the Miami Medical School. Police originally suspected that he had been beaten on in a carjacking in the medical school's parking lot. Strangely enough, though, his body showed no signs of a beating.

June 24, 2003: Dr. Leland Rickman, a UC San Diego expert on infectious diseases and, since Sept. 11, 2001 a consultant on bioterrorism. He was 47. Rickman died while on a teaching assignment in Lesotho, a small country bordered on all sides by South Africa. He had complained of a headache, but the cause of death was not immediately known. The physician had been working in Lesotho with Dr. Chris Mathews, director of the UC San Diego Medical Center's Owen Clinic, teaching African medical personnel about the prevention and treatment of AIDS.Rickman, the incoming president of the Infectious Disease Assn. of California, was a multidisciplinary professor and practitioner with expertise in infectious diseases, internal medicine, epidemiology, microbiology and antibiotic utilization

July 18, 2003: David Kelly, a British biological weapons expert, was said to have slashed his own wrists while walking near his home. Kelly was the Ministry of Defence's chief scientific officer and senior adviser to the proliferation and arms control secretariat, and to the Foreign Office's non-proliferation department. The senior adviser on biological weapons to the UN biological weapons inspections teams(Unscom) from 1994 to 1999, he was also, in the opinion of his peers, pre-eminent in his field, not only in this country, but in the world.

November 20, 2003: Scientist Robert Leslie Burghoff, 45 was killed by a hit and run driver that jumped the kerb and ploughed into him in the 1600 block of South Braeswood, Texas. He was studying the virus plaguing cruise ships. April 2004: Mohammed Munim al-Izmerly, a distinguished Iraqi chemistry professor dies in American custody from a sudden hit to the back of his head caused by blunt trauma. It was uncertain exactly how he died, but someone had hit him from behind, possibly with a bar or a pistol. His battered corpse turned up at Baghdad's morgue and the cause of death was initially recorded as "brainstem compression". It was discovered that US doctors had made a 20cm incision in his skull.

May 5, 2004: A Russian scientist at a former Soviet biological weapons laboratory in Siberia died after an accident with a needle laced with ebola. Scientists and officials said the accident had raised concerns about safety and secrecy at the State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology, known as Vector, which in Soviet times specialized in turning deadly viruses into biological weapons. Vector has been a leading recipient of aid in an American programme.

May 14, 2004: Dr. Eugene F. Mallove, a Norwich Free Academy graduate, 56, died after being beaten to death during an alleged robbery. Mallove was well respected for his knowledge of cold fusion. He had just published an “open letter” outlining the results of and reasons for his last 15 years in the field of “new energy research.” Dr. Mallove was convinced it was only a matter of months before the world would actually see a free energy device.

June 22, 2004: Astronomer and physicist, Austrian born Thomas Gold famous over the years for a variety of bold theories that flout conventional wisdom died of heart failure. Gold’s theory of the deep hot biosphere holds important ramifications for the possibility of life on other planets, including seemingly inhospitable planets within our own solar system. He was Professor Emeritus of Astronomy at Cornell University and wass the founder (and for 20 years director) of Cornell Center for Radiophysics and Space Research. He was also involved in air accident investigation.

July 3, 2004: Dr Paul Norman, 52, of Salisbury, Wiltshire, was killed when the single-engine Cessna 206 he was piloting crashed in Devon. He was married with a 14-year-old son and a 20-year-old daughter, and was the chief scientist for chemical and biological defence at the Ministry of Defence’s laboratory at Porton Down, Wiltshire. The crash site was examined by officials from the Air Accidents Investigation Branch and the wreckage of the aircraft was removed from the site to the AAIB base at Farnborough.

July 21, 2004: Dr Bassem al-Mudares' mutilated body was found in the city of Samarra, Iraq*. He was a phD chemist and had been tortured before being killed.

July 29, 2004: 67-year-old John Mullen, a nuclear research scientist with McDonnell Douglas dies from a huge dose of poisonous arsenic. Police investigating will not say how Mullen was exposed to the arsenic or where it came from. At the time of his death he was doing contract work for Boeing.

August 12, 2004: Professor John Clark, head of the science lab which created Dolly the sheep, was found hanging in his holiday home. Prof Clark led the Roslin Institute in Midlothian, one of the world’s leading animal biotechnology research centres. He played a crucial role in creating the transgenic sheep that earned the institute worldwide fame. Prof Clark also founded three spin-out firms from Roslin - PPL Therapeutics, Rosgen and Roslin BioMed.

September 5, 2004: Mohammed Toki Hussein al-Talakani Iraqi nuclear scientist* was shot dead in Mahmudiya, south of Baghdad. He was a practising nuclear physicist since 1984.

December 21, 2004: Taleb Ibrahim al-Daher Iraqi nuclear scientist was shot dead north of Baghdad by unknown gunmen. He was on his way to work at Diyala University when armed men opened fire on his car as it was crossing a bridge in Baqouba, 57 km northeast of Baghdad. The vehicle swerved off the bridge and fell into the Khrisan river. Al-Daher, who was a professor at the local university, was removed from the submerged car and rushed to Baqouba hospital where he was pronounced dead.

January 7, 2005: Korean Jeong H. Im, retired research assistant professor at the University of Missouri - Columbia and primarily a protein chemist, died of multiple stab wounds to the chest before firefighters found in his body in the trunk of a burning car on the third level of the Maryland Avenue Garage. MUPD with the assistance of the Columbia Police Department and Columbia Fire Department are conducting a death investigation of the incident. A person of interest described as a male 6’ – 6’2” wearing some type of mask possible a painters mask or drywall type mask was seen in the area of the Maryland Avenue Garage.



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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:01 PM
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15. There's a lot of things that go on that the MSM won't even touch...
...I've read about it too. The individual deaths have all been covered in "local" papers and such, but the "whole" picture has never put together by MSM despite the impossible odds of all these people dying the way they have within the same field of research: Microbiology and Epidemology.

Look into it, it's very strange stuff.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:48 PM
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:27 PM
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26. Rense is an extremist right-wing site.
It is unreliable and should not be cited on DU.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:31 PM
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36. Bull.
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 08:33 PM by librechik
Rense prints everybody, across the widest spectrum imaginable, left and right and way out there. It's entertainment, not a news source, but it runs a lot of stories which are from reputable sources like the New York Times and the Guardian.

It also prints anti-zionist articles, which enrages certain folks.
Me, I'm for free speech even for Larry Flynt, anti-zionists, and Rense. Even for :puke: Michael Savage.

I think that's what Democrats believe, and it distinguishes them from the right wing, which is all about censorship.

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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:37 PM
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37. No, Rense is at its heart a hardcore antisemitic hate site.
If you do not see that, then you are acting as its tool. Citing Rense is not allowed on DU for good reason.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:53 PM
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38. no, it's like censoring a library because they have Mein Kampf
But I'm sure the mods have good reasons for not allowing Rense. It's their site, they can do that. It's probably causud a zillion flamewars over in I&P.

However, I can make my own mind up about the site, and others should as well, rather than just believe what somebody says about it.

And I'm nobody's tool.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 09:06 PM
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40. It's not the books on the shelves, it's what the librarians believe.
I apologise for calling you a tool.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:46 PM
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5. To crash a C208 almost requires an effort to do so. Like most high wing
Cessnas you can just let go of everything and they'll practically land themselves. Not that a RR track is a good landing strip...I wonder if the pilot was incapacitated.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:52 PM
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11. karlrschneider, continued...
"Not that a RR track is a good landing strip...I wonder if the pilot was incapacitated."

...incapacitated by a deadly virus, perhaps?

Cue the "Resident Evil" soundtrack...that is a disturbing article.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:10 PM
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19. that was my unspoken cogitation.
I'm pretty much of a non-tinfoiler but...well...
:eyes:
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:51 PM
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10. First the warning of epidemics then a plane carrying virus crashes????
Anybody wonder about this?
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:57 PM
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13. Note to self: Don't send deadly flu viruses on small airplanes....
...in light snowy, near freezing conditions.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:52 PM
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12. I heard on CNN that the strains of flu weren't particularly dangerous.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:11 PM
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30. Don't expect anyone to pay any attention to that.
They're too busy enjoying their end-of-the-world fantasies.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:15 PM
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32. LOL! I think you're right. I got the same (non)reaction last night when
I posted the news about the network feuding causing blackouts on the Net in a thread with lots of speculation about "censorship."

Oh, well... Thanks for noticing my message here. I'm glad someone read it. :)
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:21 PM
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35. Some people just like to be alarmed.
If it's in the news, the BFEE did it. If the BFEE didn't do it, it's a distraction from something they are doing. We're all toast. Resistance is useless.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:59 PM
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14. Very strange
I sincerly hope that they were destroyed in the fire and not removed from the plane prior to the crash.:tinfoilhat:
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:02 PM
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16. Good catch on this story Walt, thanks for posting it.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:05 PM
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17. See? tactical nukes have real uses.
and I am not sure if I am kidding.

Hey, the sun is nucular. It cleans things here, and would do more but for our ozone layer.

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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:15 PM
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21. Well you've just justified the thermonuclear cleansing of winnipeg
And now that the bombs have been released, you can revel in your quick
wit and advise that has been followed by the owners of those special
explosives that everyone WANT's to see used.

So there are satellite cameras and faux TV helicopters waiting to
capture the greatest bush moment of them all, his successful containment
of the winnipeg fedex crash.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:18 PM
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24. how does one hang his head in shame with an avatar?
deserving mindless want to know.

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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:27 PM
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28. Just put up a thermonuclear explosion
and be honest, that your avatar is the only truth that will ever come
out of the bush menace. :-)

And for gods sake, avoid winnipeg until the radiation clears. !!
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:39 PM
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29. Heh heh, "nucular" -- good one, Shrub... n/m
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:07 PM
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18. Wait. The plane crashed on railroad tracks?
by any chance, in the process did it hit a truck?
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katamaran Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:16 PM
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22. Just remember: shoot the zombies in the head
Just remember: shoot the zombies in the head 28 days from now.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:17 PM
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23. There's a University based medical research center in Thunder Bay,
cancer research and high tech DNA work seems to be their specialties. Also large Med School and Public Health training departments.

It may be a case of a cigar sometimes being a cigar, or to be more accurate here, an accident.

Common health care related viral samples (influenza, herpes) would be a routine shipment for Fed Ex to a medical research center. And, in the case of a fire, it would seem the samples were destroyed.

Sad to hear the pilot wasn't able to come around...as was her intent.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:21 PM
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25. Just remember it depends on the quantity, quality, amount and dispersal
ability...before we get freaked out about this. Viruses are EVERYWHERE!

We need to get a grip about some of this stuff. And, not EVERYONE has such a lowered immunity that they are going to keel over and die because someone carries in something on the "hell of their shoe, or their carry on bag from Canada or elsewhere, that their Children, Parents and everyone they come in contact IMMEDIATELY KEEL OVER AND DIE!

Please..understand the Bush Crime Family has taken over "Reasoned" Scientific Reporting and it's like reading "National Enquirer" or CNN/FAUX Hype to even live and get by these days the Drug Companies are HYPING 24/7!

Cool IT...
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:27 PM
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27. Hmmm....a test run in Canada....?
And just where is all that OIL in Canada anyway?

:tinfoilhat:
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:14 PM
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31. Here it comes?
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:18 PM
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33. Isn't MorningStar another name for Satan/The Antichrist?
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:18 PM
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34. The 1918 flu is avian according to this article.
The strain of avian influenza virus that has led to the deaths of 140 million birds and 60 people in Asia in the past two years appears to be slowly acquiring genetic changes typical of the "Spanish flu" virus that killed 50 million people nearly a century ago, researchers said yesterday




http://health.dailynewscentral.com/content/view/0001741/48/
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:53 PM
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39. I live in Thunder Bay and I can tell you...
A) Nobody around here really cares about this (of course nobody around here really cares about anything)

B) Lakehead University just opened one of the most advanced paleo-DNA labs in the world (although this probably has nothing to do with the virus samples, the samples were probably going to the human biology dept or something) and the University just wrapped up "biotechnology week".

C) The virus samples were destroyed in the ensuing fire (local media)

and

D) No UFOs, black helicopters or convoys of SUVs with tinted windows have been spotted as of yet. :D
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 09:19 PM
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41. Wayback Machine: Beginning of The OMEGA Man.....
Hey....Where did Charlton Heston go?????
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