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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:46 AM
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Unbelievable coincidence


Harriet Miers, at the time staff secretary, is seen on Aug. 6, 2001, briefing President Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9577329 /

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Presidential Daily Briefing
bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US
August 6, 2001




http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/80601pdb.h...


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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:47 AM
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1. How about
Ramadan and Rosh Hoshanah starting at the same time?
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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:48 AM
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2. hem, please remember
that the originally briefing was about 10 to 12 pages...

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:24 PM
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14. I thought the one W saw was only 1 1/2 pages
which was remarked upon by many former intel types.

Did I remember that wrong or was the original 10 to 12 pages as you posted but it was whittled down for W?
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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:59 PM
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35. I don't remember
if it was reduced for W or if it was reduced for the 9-11 omission-report- remember that lyin' Condi Rice?
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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 02:33 PM
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37. But I'll search for it
and find it soon...

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On Aug. 6, 2001, Bush's daily intelligence briefing said al-Qaeda might hijack airplanes. Did the White House consider the possibility that planes would be used as weapons?

On May 16, 2002, Rice told reporters that there was no specific information in that 2001 briefing and that officials could not have imagined al-Qaeda was plotting suicide missions that involved flying planes into buildings.

"I don't think that anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon, that they would try to use an airplane as a missile," she said. Some 9/11 family members have called that disingenuous and suggested that the administration either didn't take the threats seriously or that Rice and others were trying to protect themselves by saying no one could have imagined such attacks.

But Sean McCormack, a Rice spokesman, said she was told about the 2001 briefing after she made the comments to reporters.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-03-30-ques...
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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 02:59 PM
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39. Got it!

And now I got it. Source was Bob Woodward, and i find it from german "Zeit" magazine autor Oliver Schrm. He maintains the original briefing was 11 pages, and we have no reason for doubt, because the title was correct, and he couldn't know the titel at that time...

Source - interview with Oliver Schrm in german...

http://www.jungewelt.de/2004/04-16/015.php
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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:09 PM
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42. and in english
puh!

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=2306

Everyone is assuming that the Bush administration meekly complied with the outcry coming from both sides of the aisle in Congress, declassifying and releasing the Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB) for August 6, 2001, with uncharacteristic speed. I did wonder about that, but now it turns out they weren't so forthcoming after all.

The text of the PDB released by the White House is one and a half pages long. But, according to an article by intelligence expert Oliver Schrm, the original document was much longer:

"Crawford, August 6, 2001. George W. Bush is on vacation. He wanted to spend the whole month at his ranch in Texas. 'The Presidential Daily Brief' was part of his morning routine. In the PDB, as it's called in CIA jargon, a senior CIA official presents the President with a summary of the security situation. On this morning the CIA Director personally briefs the President. Instead of the usual two or three pages, today's briefing paper consists of eleven and a half printed pages and carries the title 'Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.'"

Schrm's article, entitled "Deadly Mistakes," was published in Die Zeit, a respected German weekly, on October 2, 2002: go here for the original German. The piece is structured like a chronology, recounting, in excruciatingly painful detail, the mishaps, bureaucratic hurdles, and squandered opportunities that stood in the way of foiling the 9/11 terror plot. Key dates are highlighted, and August 6 was significant in that, apparently for the first time, awareness of the threat posed by Al Qaeda had percolated up to the Oval Office:

"The CIA chief argued that Al Qaeda was now also attempting to carry out attacks inside the US, and there were probably already members of the terror organization located in the US for some time. It's not clear whether or not the CIA Director told the President about statements made by Al Qaeda members who were already in custody. According to their statements, the terror organization had long thought about hijacking airplanes in order to use them as missiles."

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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:19 PM
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46. now we can speculate
it wouldn't surprise me if in the other 10 pages Abel Danger, Mossad and Atta were mentioned...
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:49 AM
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3. Coincidence? I don't think so.
Edited on Tue Oct-04-05 11:50 AM by sparosnare
Her nomination is all part of the much bigger plan - a plan that's been in motion for years. She will sit on the SC to protect Bush (and cohorts) from possible future charges. By being his personal counsel, she can claim attorney/client privilege and will never ever have to answer questions about the underhanded goings-on in the WH.

This is a woman who claims Bush is "the most intelligent man I've ever met".
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:05 PM
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6. Basically, as White House counsel, she cannot claim attorney/client
privilege.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:43 PM
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19. but wouldn't she have to recuse herself?
How would she be able to hear any cases involving bush and his cohorts?
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:38 PM
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27. Who will make her recuse herself?
No one. She will be a SC justice - the WH and Congress will not force her. After her confirmation, all 3 branches will be controlled by repugs.

Karl Rove's dream realized.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:42 PM
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28. in case you haven't noticed, all 3 branches are controlled by repugs now
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:46 PM
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29. Not quite. Her confirmation will be point of no return though.
Both she and Roberts will keep us under Repug control for the next 30-40 years. FORGET voters rights and election reform.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:52 PM
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31. okay, but the last time I looked
White House: Repub
Senate: Repub majority
House: Repub majority
Supreme Court: Repub majority

In fact, the two Justices being replaced -- Rehnquist and O'Connor, were both repubs, and they both helped install chimpy as president, so I'm having trouble seeing your point.

onenote
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:54 PM
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34. OConnor may have been a Repug
but she was moderate and a very important swing vote on many cases. There was at least some semblance of balance on the SC (sans 2000) until now, where it'll be run by fundamentalist extremists.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:01 PM
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22. this is exactly what my husband said when he came home from work
yesterday. he's no political junkie. it's obvious to him to from being a person having been alive for the last few years. i was shocked.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 02:50 PM
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38. Yup, she will be bush SC bodyguard w/the chargegates open
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 11:51 AM
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4. She will always protect her man GW...........
her history is ugly with their connections.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:30 PM
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25. Miss Moneypenny
would die for him. As would Condi.

Laura, not so much!
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:01 PM
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5. this is a great find!!!
and I don't believe in coincidences. Since I already had my :tinfoilhat: on today, this isn't a far stretch..

Thanks for posting!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:22 PM
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11. Agreed. Looks like another payoff. What a surprise
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:24 PM
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48. give her a job for life, that'll keep her quiet. She must have him by the
:pals:
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:34 PM
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53. Medal of Freedom wasn't enough this time.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:17 PM
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7. kick
:kick:
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:19 PM
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8. why is there a wedding ring on this spinsters hand?
nt
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:21 PM
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9. damn sure looks like one heckuva rock there, doesn't it?
le sigh... seems like we have many lies yet to uncover about the so called spinster.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:21 PM
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10. Wow. Keen eye! n/t
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:32 PM
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15. Wedding ring.....so Condi and Karen will stop hitting on her.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:36 PM
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18. Old photo...she's got an ex somewhere!
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:45 PM
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20. That photo is from 2001 it is now 2005
thats the not to distant past if you ask me. We need to find the ex, whoever he/she is.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:57 PM
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21. but why did they lie to us in her bio that she's never been married?
makes ya wonder.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:20 PM
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47. or it makes you wonder if that's a wedding ring
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:13 PM
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44. May not be a wedding ring. Might be family heirloom jewelry.
If she's right-hand dominant, those fingers are probably larger than on the left hand. So, if a ring doesn't fit on the right hand, it still might fit on the left.

Can't really tell for sure what kind of ring it is, but honestly, it doesn't matter. Maybe she gave herself to Jesus and wears some kind of ring or did wear some kind of ring to commemorate that.

What concerns me is she was part of the 8/6/01 PDB group. She also says bush is "brilliant." She is complicit in the 9/11/01 criminal negligence coverup.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:23 PM
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12. I noticed that too and pointed it out to my wife
BTW LOVE the screen name.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:23 PM
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13. kick and nominated
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omshanti Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:34 PM
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16. Great find! This is what makes DU special. Kicked, nominated. n/t
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:35 PM
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17. Wait til Sibel Edmonds' case reaches SCOTUS
I wonder how Miers would rule on that one? Or would she have to recuse herself? :eyes:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:17 PM
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24. i had an emotional reaction reading this -- dammit, we deserve the truth

where are the heros?
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:35 PM
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26. What better way to shut down the 9/11 whistleblowers
then route (appeal) their cases to SCOTUS and let the RW ideology stop it dead in its tracks.

When I saw the pictures Miers with *, I immediately thought about Sibel and how her case looks like it will be heard SCOTUS and my heart dropped.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:09 PM
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23. One of the arguments that is being advanced in her favor
Against nay-saying Conservatives is that she has had a front row seat on the Global War on Terror. Slingshot compiled some of these arguments -- > http://www.slingshot.org/?p=134

I guess she has.

The one thing the Bush adminstration can count on with her on the bench is that every case involving the war on terror, she'll vote with the Adminsistration.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:47 PM
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30. maybe I'm missing something -- why is this a "great find'?
A picture of Harriet Miers briefing the President on August 6, 2001, the same day as the Bin Laden memo...

And this is unbelievable how? Her job was to be the gatekeeper of all documents that got to the President. Everything went through her. I'm sure she has the highest possible security clearance for that job.

So why is this a big deal?

onenote
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:02 PM
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40. it highlights the cronyism IMHO
Edited on Tue Oct-04-05 03:03 PM by libnnc
and it ties her to shrub's horrible failure in judgement.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:14 PM
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45. huh? stop the presses
A picture of her doing the job everyone knows she had highlights the "cronyism"? Stop the presses. :sarcasm:
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:36 PM
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49. well that's my opinion
Edited on Tue Oct-04-05 04:07 PM by libnnc
like assholes, everyone's got one including you :sarcasm:


edit to add:

this picture acts as a visual cue. Remember Condi's lame assed response when asked about that brief? Remember that lame-assed casual reaction by shrub's cracker jack staff to a briefing about Osama being determined to strike the US? Remember that fucked up shit?

WELL GUESS WHO ELSE WAS THERE ON THAT DAY LOOKING AT THOSE SAME DOCS...

but you've already made up your mind that we're freaking out over the obvious, so whatever.
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Paligal Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:53 PM
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32. Send ALL this evidence to your reps and DNC!!
We need to be screaming loudly that this is no moderate with 0 track record. This is a neocon stealth candidate, and this is a Rovian trap the Dems are about to walk into. Send all your evidence to your Senators, Congressmen, and the DNC!!!
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:54 PM
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33. kicked & recomended
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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 02:10 PM
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36. What if you look with a greater look
maybe her nomination was the insurance for not been indicted for a possibly 9-11 inside job trial??
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:04 PM
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41. I have a saying on my signature "There are NO coincidences"
and everything is connected!!! OOO
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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:11 PM
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43. Yeah
was a little bit ironic...
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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 04:20 PM
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50. E&P nails it, too
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_di...

Hmm. I thought that Tenet handles this briefing?
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 04:55 PM
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51. She looks more relaxed and happy with him than Pickles does.
Looking at the pictures of them together and listening to what the Dumbass kept saying about Miers in the Rose Garden today ("I know how she thinks", over and over), put me in mind of someone talking about a partner, not a work colleague.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:05 PM
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52. Yeah, well, you can forget stopping that flowered blouse from exposing
your reproductive decisions--if not your reproductive organs themselves on live gynecological display--to all of America, for an up or down vote on your life, in the not too distant future. We need to think, a) How to dump Diebold and ES&S election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor,'? and, b) Some creative legal ideas, such as FDR's "packing the Supreme Court," for after we get back our right to vote.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:53 PM
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54. K and R. Keith O. showed this photo tonight on Countdown. n/t
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 01:26 AM
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55. "Well, it's pretty much the same old $h!t Mr. President."
You can go back to clearing brush now.
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