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Dees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:25 PM
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Bay Buchanan...you hideous turd.
On Wolf Bushitzer's Situation Room this afternoon. "The facts are that if you have less black babies in the world you'll have less crime. Those are just the facts". Sorry if it's a dupe but I can't get that slimy shit's words out of my head.
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tompayne1 Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:26 PM
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1. what sick partisan spin.
he had better burn for that.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:27 PM
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2. She's like the Devil in disguise, I swear. These people are CRAZY!!!!!!!!!
What the fuck is going on in the world?? DO you think the real Christians on the right (if there are any) will see pure evil for what it is??
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:30 PM
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5. They are really desperate now. They have taken off their suits
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 09:31 PM by goclark
and believe that putting on their hoods will rally the KKK crowd.


Sad to say, it just might.


Why would she be that dumb unless she was TOLD to repeat it?
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:28 PM
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3. Did she really say that?
I mean, I know the Buchanans have that touch of Nazi in them, but did she really come out and say that? Cause that's an incredible statement. Can we get Bush to agree to it?
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:30 PM
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6. She said it.
Talks so fast, when she is in trouble she sounds like a machine gun.
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Dees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:31 PM
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9. She absolutely did. She was on with Donna Brazile.
Donna was speechless...Wolfie wasn't of course.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:49 PM
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17. there was a rumour about leslie blitzer
he said that the suffering people in the superdome were 'so poor so black' as foxnews reported...i guess the rumour was unfounded (darn that lying mf'er foxnews!)
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shaggy1974 Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:16 PM
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19. No he actually did say that.
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:05 AM
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53. He said it...I heard it myself.../nt
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:38 PM
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32. Donna was SPEECHLESS?! Really?
Please tell me she made some response! I guess it's too much to hope she'd leap across the table and throttle the dreadful woman, but...SPEECHLESS!!??
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shaggy1974 Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:17 PM
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20. Bush denounced Bennett's statement
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:23 PM
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25. Denounced? Hardly.
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 10:25 PM by ocelot
'"The president believes the comments were not appropriate," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.' To say Bennett's appallingly racist statement was "not appropriate" is pretty damn lame, and is not what I'd call a convincing repudiation. If Busholini had a real problem with Bennett's remark you'd think he (or his shill Scottie) could come up with stronger rhetoric -- like the vilification they manage to throw at Dems every damn day.
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shaggy1974 Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:28 PM
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28. Good point...
You're right, it was not a denunciation. Poor word choice.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:42 AM
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50. Brown shoes with a blue suit are inappropriate
Playing a Sousa march at a funeral procession is inappropriate.

But what Bennett said was vile, beyond belief.
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:09 AM
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54. "Not appropriate" means nothing more than ...
"Please restrict such language to GOP-only events."
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:23 PM
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26. You mean Scottie called it "inappropriate"
Inappropriate... y'know, like wearing tennis shoes to a black-tie dinner.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:59 PM
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61. like wearing a ski parka to an international memorial of the worst
atrocities even committed by man ... like that kind of inappropriate?

Like making a joke film about looking for WMD to entertain your bought and paid for media ... that kind of inappropriate?

Like walking out for a photo-op with the leaders of other nations with your fly unzipped ... that kind of inappropriate?

Like lying a country into war by scaring the shit out of them with the colors of the rainbow ... that kind of inappropriate?

</possibly the end of this rant ... possibly not>
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:29 PM
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4. Both Buchanans are well documented as being
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 09:31 PM by Cleita
anti-Semitic. Why am I not surprised that they are also anti-African American.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:30 PM
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7. There is no excuse for it. They WANT a race war.
I mean, what else could explain that ugly shit besides stupidity?
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:17 AM
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55. Those are my thoughts. Why are these righties all of a sudden one after
another making absolutely blatant rascist remarks? Are they trying to foment unrest, instigate a riot, cause a civil war. It seems as if it's almost their new talking points, trying to out do each other with 'inappropriate' remarks. It can't be that they all took sodium pentathol and can't help themselves, they've kept a lid on their thinly disguised rascism up until this point. Now they're slinging it out there every minute. Incendiary no? Why, I know it's how they really feel but they are not usually so out in the open about it. Things that make you go hmmm.
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Wabbajack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:31 PM
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8. She said that too?
Bill Bennett said that days ago.
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Dees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:37 PM
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14. She did.
She was defending Dr. Bill...what he said was all taken out of context blah blah blah. Then she went on about the high crime rate in the black communities. Then she repeated the facts are crap.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:31 PM
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10. They're going to need to add a new wing in hell...
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 09:32 PM by marmar
to make room for all the right-wingers that are on their way there.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:33 PM
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11. I think it's kind of interesting how some of these people
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 09:34 PM by ocelot
apparently are wearing their KKK robes UNDER their street clothes. You can hardly see how the robes bunch up under the $1000 suits -- but we know they're there. Dash into the phone booth, rip off your clothes, pop on your pointy hood, et voila: from hate radio talking head to Grand Dragon in just a few seconds...
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thefloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:36 PM
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12. We should abort muslims
so terrorism will be gone
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:24 PM
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39. we should abort soccer moms
it will cut down on sports rage and steroid use.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:37 PM
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13. What the hell do you think "conservatism" is all about?
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 09:39 PM by gumby
"Conservatism" is the art of making the politics of greed out of a quilt of racism, sexism, homophobia and bigotry.

Racism is the mother's milk of "conservatism."

edit: "hideous turd" is the perfect name for Bay. :rofl:
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:39 PM
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15. To help them dig their grave faster just ask them one question
Why?
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:18 PM
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22. Great question. nt
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:43 PM
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16. Fewer, not less babies.........
Bay, Bay, Bay...... :eyes:
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:51 PM
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18. Both Buchanan's are known racists...
this is no surprise at all.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:17 PM
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21. Hey, remember when Ken Mehlman was trying to get black people to vote GOP?
LOL....ahhhhh....those were the days. :)
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:21 PM
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23. If more white fetuses were aborted
there would be less lynching of innocent blacks.

And, if she will move to some part of the SoCal or of the southwest, she will talk about latinos and about Asians.

Frankly, the world would have been better had Mrs. Buchanan aborted at least twice. As brother Pat appeared on the Sixties show on PBS, he still blamed the Sixties for whatever ails this country.
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shaggy1974 Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:21 PM
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24. Technically, she's right.
You can't call really her on the facts. If there's fewer people in the world, there's going to be less crime. The problem is the that she (and Bennett) said "black babies" rather than just "babies" or "white babies" which evokes the worst kinds of racial stereotypes.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:29 PM
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41. The problem is that it was a racist comment - nobody was arguing the
technicality that I know of.

If you abort all
white
asian
american indian
middle eastern
hispanic

children there will be less crime. We get that.

So the FACT is that it was a racist statement and we SHOULD call her on it, and Bennett.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:25 PM
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27. Well actually, Bay is right....
of course the same would be true if you have "less" (fewer Bay you dumbass) non-Hispanic white babies, or Asian babies, or Hispanic babies. Her argument is a logical fallacy, even if the premise and conclusion are true, it means essentially nothing! Hello Bay, anytime you remove any segment of the population entirely it will impact crime rates you douche!
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shaggy1974 Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:33 PM
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30. It actually did mean something
Does anybody actually know what the context of these comments were? Bennett was saying (in response to a question) that sure abortion would lower crime rates, but that it was a morally reprehensible thing and could not be done. That is all well and good...the problem is that he chose to say "black babies" rather than just "babies"
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:38 PM
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31. Oh, so Bay was using Bennett's "choice" of racist filth to point out the
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 10:45 PM by mcctatas
fact that abortion is reprehensible? Gee, I feel better now. :sarcasm:

*edited to make my intended sarcasm more apparent :eyes:
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shaggy1974 Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:42 PM
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33. Shouldn't feel better...
it was yet another awful racist thing to say...I'm just saying it wasn't "pointless."
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:40 PM
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43. you're right, it wasn't pointless - the whole word now gets to see his
flabby racist white ass on display for what it really is, beyond that; NO POINT WHATSOEVER.

It must really suck for the FreakPricks that lurk here to see the thin veneer that covered the dark heart of racism, the STENCH OF CORRUPTION, and the folly of cronyism finally busting open before them like a ripe pustule. That must really SUCK.
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:45 PM
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46. OK, I'm intrigued.
How was it "pointful", since in your estimation it wasn't "pointless"? And yes, I am serious. If you admit it was racist, what point was his comment actually making?
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:59 PM
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36. Wow.
Just, well, wow.
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:01 PM
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37. Well, maybe since you think he had "context" for these remarks...
you can help me out in understanding them.

Why, for example, would anyone say "black babies" instead of just "babies"?

Take your time.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:17 PM
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38. Maybe if you offer a scooby snack
shaggy will explain it all for us? Be forewarned, sarcasm goes unrecognized unless made Glaringly obvious. :toast: ;)
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:41 PM
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45. LOL...
Yeah! A Scooby snack oughta do it! All hear this: one Snooby snack in play...
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:33 PM
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42. It WAS A RACIST FUCKING COMMENT - who cares about his excuses?
Gosh Mr. Bennett, we couldn't kill 6 million Jews/Blackies/Homos and take back our country from the depths of crime could we????? :sarcasm:


:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 10:54 AM
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59. Not true at all.
You can not prove that as fact. There will be a certain percentage of crime no matter what race or races inhabit the earth. This is just the same argument as was used to exterminate the Jews in 1940s. Why would you say something is true when you have no empirical evidence of that? I say it would be true that if all blacks were gone the whities would just turn their crime on another group and crime rates would actually go up..
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:28 PM
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60. Uh, that was kinda my point. n/t
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:28 PM
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29. This is great. Let's get them all spewing this garbage. nt
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:43 PM
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34. My personal favorite came from Randi Rhodes today...
when Michael, an African-American caller from New York was talking with Randi...

She referred to Bay Buchanan...and without missing a beat..he said

Oh, Bay Buchanan, my baby's mother... I busted a gut.

If she archived it--listen to it-- Michael had Randi in stitches-- along with the rest of us-- he hit every hypocritical button with a sledgehammer and pointed out all the fallacies of the media coverage and the racist repugs-- all with a brilliant sense of humor and razor wit...I swore I thought it was a comedy bit--their timing was that perfect.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:56 PM
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35. Is this the latest RW talking point?
Maybe that's how they ultimately want to try and justify the inaction after Katrina. If "Them blacks is all criminals", then what's the problem with leaving tens of thousands of them stranded without food or water?

I wonder how Condi feels about that sort of talk?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:28 PM
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40. She's like her brother, but without the charm and intelligence.
All hate.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:40 PM
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44. Guilty, criminal fetuses. That's how right wingers view unborn black folk.
:grr:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:49 PM
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47. The assholes come out since everything is going to shit for Boosh.
Might as well show the racism, doesn't seem to get the person in trouble with the MSM. Everyone is showing their true colors - Pigman mocking the dead soldiers, Ann calling for the death of liberals, Bennett calling for the abortion of all black babies, Pat Robertson calling for the death of a foreign leader and now racist Bitch Buchanan agreeing with the annihilation of the black race in America. It's like the destruction of NO has sent them into a bloodlusting, feeding frenzy!

And you lurking fuckwits follow them around and praise them! :puke:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:51 PM
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48. I'll bet you didn't know Bay was in showbiz before she was a pundit
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:54 PM
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49. Is this Bayh Buchanan's way of trying to help
Bill Bennett keep his job? Try to make him sound less outrageous?

(I've received replies from two of the radio station's sponsors.)
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:43 AM
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51. It's good when individuals like Bay reveal their true racism and disdain
Edited on Sat Oct-01-05 12:49 AM by shance
for those that are not "like them". Its a primitive form of thinking which results from a lack of empathy and interest for those that aren't white and like I said, "like them".

Its sad that we still have individuals who still resort to showing a mental deficiency such as this. Because that in fact is what it is: a mental deficiency and a lack of graduation to adult, mature comprehension. Its can also be detrimental and in some cases, dangerous. In Germany, Hitler was laughed at and ridiculed for his blatant racism, that is, until he ascended to power.

Bay Buchanan shows a symptom of those who resort to blaming poverty and pain on those who are living it. It's a "blame the victim" mentality that is actually allowed to be aired as legitimate or worthwhile coverage. It is the most vile of accusations and the most pathetic, especially being that she has never had to experience such a life herself. Which is of course why she reveals such ignorance. If she had to experience such a living situation, she would have a different perspective to say the least. Nevertheless it is an indicator that a limited ability to empathize and lack of interest to understand the core problems still exists with those who are pretty primitive and disdainful in their thinking. They blame everyone else for what are often problems that they contribute to in the long run.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 08:53 AM
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52. Communing with the GOP base I see.
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:21 AM
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56. There are more WHITE people on welfare.
I had this discussion somewhere else and here is what a couple of the people had to say.

I had a wingnut I know bring up this article from TAP...

He said


Is Bennett incorrect?:

http://www.prospect.org/print/V12/1/abramsky-s.html

He may be speaking the truth and paying the price for it.

After all, legalized abortion is what Margaret Sanger's 'Planned Parenthood' intended to achieve from it's inception: Curtail the population increase of black Americans. Likewise, declining birthrates can't keep Social Security afloat no matter how much the government inkpen revisionists try to edit out that fact, and people have been saying for a generation that the political liberals have been effectively sterilizing themselves out of power from decades of abortion.

Why can't we honestly expose the truth in that regard, and why is Bennett being held responsible for it?

I see the greater picture as less liberals, less crime, less poor, less Chelsea Clintons.

... What's not to like?



To wit someone I know replied...


Congratulations, that was possibly the least right-wing-favorable article you could have linked to. I'm aware of that study which came out a few years ago. For those who didn't read the link, or are too lazy to, a study showed that falling crime rates in the 1990's were correlated with Roe v. Wade. In other words, aborting unwanted children starting in the 1970s eventually led to lower crime rates two decades later when such unwanted children would have been legal adults.

I don't understand why you posted that article, as it undermines a big piece of the right-winger's ideology.

For example:
1. It suggests that the right-wingers monolithic stance against abortion will actually make crime in the USA worse. In other words, the right-wingers are doing their damndest to increase the crime rate in this country.

2. It suggests that being tough on crime (a favorite right-winger attitude) has very little effect on the crime rate.

So, not only does it show that the right-wing agenda will lead to a crime-ridden america, the right-wing solution to such a future crime-ridden country will not work either. Conclusion: If we adopt the right-wing stance on abortion and crime we're screwed.

I might add that a corollary of the right-wing attitude is they want to halt all abortions, yet they simultaneously want to cut funding for social programs for economically disadvantaged citizens. In other words, they are doing their damndest to make more poor people and to keep them poor, in concert with the increased crime rates that unwanted children growing up in poverty will lead to.

So please tell me again why cutting social programs, overturning Roe v Wade, and being 'tough on crime' will make this a better country? I have no problem with locking up murderers and rapists, but giving a life sentence to a guy who's been caught smoking a doobie three times --- ala 3 strikes you're out --- is an insane way to run a criminal justice system. Then again, if they found DeLay was guilty of 2 more crimes ..... hmmm.... maybe three strikes you're out is ok after all.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:30 AM
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57. Repukes have generally tried to hide
their racism. They trot out the few minorities willing to be identified with them at their conventions and count on a small percentage of African-American voters to sometimes make the difference in close races. In 2000 Gore got 90% of the black vote and chimp got 8% - of the black votes that were counted. In 2004, chimp actually improved his percentage - scoring 11% of the African-American vote.

After Katrina, a repuke presidential candidate would be lucky to get 1% of the black vote. Those lost votes have to be made up somewhere. I think we can expect more of these overtly racist statements - meant to appeal to the racists lurking in the non-voter population. If those disenfranchised bigots start identifying more strongly with the repuke party - "Hey, they hate blacks too. I didn't know that" - they can go a long way toward strenghening their base - apparently its a gamble they're willing to take.

Wonder if Rice and Powell will ever wake up and realize they've been had.
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2bfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 10:03 AM
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58. Bay is pure evil.
What a sick, sick person. :(
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