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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:33 PM
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If you aborted every "white baby" wouldn't crime go down also?
I mean this is the "logic" they are justifying Bennett's comments with. I just heard someone say that it is a perfectly logical argument. So I am asking.
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Boomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:35 PM
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1. If you aborted every male baby....
...rapes would become practically non-existent, as would a majority of violent crime. Spousal abuse would also nose-dive.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:05 PM
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12. and there would be lots of fat happy women
wearing sensible shoes
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:11 AM
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27. ALL crime would go down dramatically, not just those ones
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:36 PM
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2. Sure and if you blew up the world and killed everyone
crime would go down to zip.

Maybe our fearless leader Beer Hog Gus is trying to reduce crime in Iraq.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:36 PM
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3. There wouldn't be any mass murderers
Hate crimes would decline to nothing.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:36 PM
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4. Abortion as a method of dealing with crime is just plain stupid
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:36 PM
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5. If you aborted all male babies, all female babies... any large population
The point is...and what they seem to be intentionally missing...is that the very first imagining of that scenario involved blacks.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:36 PM
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6. the only way it would not be racist
is if he'd said ALL babies
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:44 PM
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7. His remarks, ridiculous as they were...
were based on statistics showing that violent crime rates decreased while abortion rates increased in the '90's (I don't have a link for the study/stats).

That's the problem with stats. You can link to completely unrelated things just by spouting out numbers that "prove" your point. Although it may be true that violent crime has indeed declined since abortion was legalized, I would prefer to believe that violent crime dropped because the economy was doing well (at least better than it was in the 80's), Hand-gun and assualt rifle legislation, and other CRIME related facts and figures.

This is why these Fucktards as so good, they can convince Joe-Six-Pack of anything, and have the numbers to back it up!
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:46 PM
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9. On CSPAN someone called in
and said:

if they aborted all Republicans, crime would go way down.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:58 PM
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11. I hate it when I do this
But I'm almost damn sure those particular statistics were linked to tougher drug laws, particularly cocaine pedalers. The laws for cocaine were inherently racist--(lesser sentencing for power cocaine than crack--at a time blacks were dealing with more crack) The reason I hate this is I can't remember my source, but I believe it was in Time magazine a few years back. I gotta get computer literate, so I can post sources (sigh)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:20 PM
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17. white-collar crime very underreported
yes INDEED
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:37 PM
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21. Nope, Actually, Most Experts Will Tell You It WAS The Economy
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 08:39 PM by Beetwasher
There is much evidence that it is economics that has the most direct influence on the crime rate. I do believe there is more evidence to support this than any other factor.

On edit: I see you were talking about a specific data set that I'm not familiar with, so actually you may be right about those particlar data.
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:51 PM
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26. Here's a good link that dispells Bennett's argument.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/30/225342/619

"Importantly, however, once you control for income, the likelihood of growing up in a female-headed household, having a teenage mother, and how urban the environment is, the importance of race disappears for all crimes except homicide."

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Todd B Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:44 PM
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8. It does strike me as odd..
.. that a group of people so against abortion would actually use it in an analogy to get their (mostly disgusting) point across.

I can't tell if he's being a "flip-flopper", a hypocrite, or just plain stupid.
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:49 PM
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10. If you aborted all the POOR Babies, crime would go down.
That is what Bennett and his arrogant ilk will never get.
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:05 PM
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13. White-collar crime would go down for sure
Pension raids, CEO compensation scams, tax fraud, insider-trading scandals, even large-scale reconstruction projects obtained through no-bid contracts.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:07 PM
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14. Funny thing is: that IS true - but would Bennett ever have said THAT? No.
Not likely.
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WearyOne Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:08 PM
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15. it would if you started with the Bush family first
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:18 PM
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16. Not only would crime go down
the number of Republicans would drop.
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i_c_a_White_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:21 PM
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18. There would be no war in Iraq
:eyes: I suppose
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:30 PM
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19. No, not if 'crime' means 'crime rate.'
If you aborted all babies (forgive the inappropriate language) in certain white neighborhoods, it would decrease; it would decrease the per capita crime rate for whites, and overall. The remaining white communities have a slightly lower (on average) crime rate. And because blacks have a slightly higher overall crime rate than whites at last peek at the statistics (even just looking at violent crime), just eliminating whites would probably increase the average crime rate a little.

A larger percentage of blacks live in areas of persistent, so-called dense poverty than whites. Race is secondary; but since the effect is markedly disproportional, largely the legacy of racism (but probably not just racism), the problem would most likely be dealt with in terms of race-based aid.

(Poverty by itself correlates fairly poorly with high crime; it requires other things in combination.)

If you just mean the number of incidents of crime, without the idea of per capita rate, pretty much any abortions would decrease the projected amount of crime, simply because there would be fewer people. So would lowering the immigration quota for Canadians. That's trivial.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:32 PM
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20. only if it were in certain well-to-do neighborhoods
and only very selectively.

A lot of government looting would be stopped
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:48 PM
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22. No human beings == No crime.
But it's probably quicker and more feasible to legalize drugs.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:50 PM
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23. If you abort all babies eventually there will be no crime. n/t
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 08:51 PM by Snotcicles
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:52 PM
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24. Exactly. There'd be less of everything .
The argument went south when he singled out Black people . He used race to energize the base. The reicht has been hit really hard lately and Bennett figured he would change the subject by bringing their beloved Racism into the picture. IMO it was done intentionally. He knew what he was doing.
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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:53 PM
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25. abort everybody!!!!!
then it won't matter in about 75 years or so. we can return the planet to the reptiles......
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:38 AM
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28. I have no idea, but there would be a hell of a lot fewer Republicans!
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