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Peachhead22 Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:17 PM
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Scooter Libby re: Judith Miller
Judith Miller said Scooter Libby gave her the identity of an undercover CIA agent. Why aren't we screaming this from the rooftops?! Why aren't we turning this into a fullfleged media feeding frenzy like when Rove was similarly implicated?

Yes, Rove is evil incarnate, but Scooter Libby isn't much better. They're both very high-ups in the adminstation. And if someone can establish Dick Cheney directed Libby or even just knew about it, it's a big honking deal! There's only two people on earth I'd rather see do a perp walk than Karl Rove. Dick Cheney is one of them.
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SodoffBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:19 PM
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1. Libby is directly under Cheney. Why else would he care about Plame?
And where has Cheney been during every disaster the US has suffered under this administration?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:19 PM
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2. something stinks here, i mena worse then usual. Libby released her
a long time ago so wtf is going here? It must be Rove and she must scared shitless.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:22 PM
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5. Don't forget that other dude who never went to jail...
I think Rove may have been HIS source...

peace.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:26 PM
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7. you mean Cooper from Time? I think he came right out said Rove
was his source---yes?
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:45 PM
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15. Yes. And why isn't Rove in jail? WTF?
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:20 PM
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3. And I'll bet George W. Bush is the other.
:hi:
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beingthere Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:22 PM
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4. Why was Bolton visiting her?
Have y'all figured this out, and did I miss something - sorry if it's obvious...
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:24 PM
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6. Madsen is speculating that Fitz turned Libby.
That's pretty wild, but if it's true it'll make for some very interesting indictments. Libby would not turn against the admin unless things were pretty damned bad.

I have a sneaking suspicion that this is going to blow sky high, higher than we could ever have imagined two years ago. We may see the whole mess collapse. I hope everybody has their duck tape handy.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:51 PM
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16. Another thing: This Fitzgerald knows Libby is the leak. The damn lawyer
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 03:52 PM by AlinPA
for Libby said he was. Yet nothing happens! Fixed. Up front. That was Fitzgeralds's assignment. "Investigate", take a long time and it will go away. The fact that the media is now saying in a matter-of- fact way that Libby is the the leaker and nobody is raising hell it means its over and awwww sh-t. This admin. controls everything. The hell with it.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:05 PM
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19. Glass half-empty, eh?
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 04:06 PM by longship
Everything. Repeat. Everything we know speaks for a special prosecutor and a grand jury who are doing their job. If the fix was in, two judges don't throw Judy Miller in jail. If the fix was in, there would be all sorts of press leaks from the investigation. If the fix was in, it wouldn't take almost two years to close the damned thing down. If the fix was in, we wouldn't have a WH press office stone-walling questions. If the fix was in, Novak doesn't blow up on live TV. If the fix was in, Patrick Fitzgerald would not be the special prosecutor. And how in the Sam Hell do you fix a grand jury?

Take off the tin foil hat and think.
Gees!
:popcorn:
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:46 PM
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24. I'm so fed up with these crooked bastards and I've just about given up.
They control everything. I wish I were as confident as you. Thanks, I hear you.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:55 PM
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25. I appreciate your mental state.
I'm there, too.

We still have to focus on the facts and not let ourselves go off on any tangents. Part of the Repug strategy is to sow confusion. Let's agree not to make their job any easier. After all, we have to keep our brains in gear here and not let them distract us.

The control everything, but they control nothing. The Repug system is like a cheap sweater, it's unravelling all over. They're losing the public. Everything they touch is turning to shit.

People are getting tired of the lies, the propaganda, the death.

It won't be long now. We've got to stay on task and make sure it happens soon.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:31 PM
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8. I don't understand this whole fiasco or what Scooter Libby and whoever..
else was involved thought they would accomplish by giving out an undercover CIA agents name. This sounds like dealing with bratty five year old kids. Americans deserve better than this ridiculous nonsense.
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:37 PM
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11. two reasons
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 03:37 PM by melissinha
1. Outting Valerie PLame would punish her husband for whistleblowing. Ok thats obvious.

2. To out Brewster Jennings, PLame's cover company.... causing the immediate destruction of a legit CIA operation would muddle up the intelligence community so they can continue with their bullshit.

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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:14 PM
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20. Bingo!
...would muddle up the intelligence community so they can continue with their bullshit.

You win the kupee doll.

Some have speculated that Plame might have gotten themselves into something that BushCo was doing between the sheets. This is pure tin foil hat stuff, but I think if I were investigating this, it would be something that I would be looking into. We may never know about this, so it is probably fruitless to speculate here. Interesting, as it is.
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:58 PM
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21. we'll never know
cause the CIA is involved in some capacity.

Sucks, doesn't it? For our curiosities that is.

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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:34 PM
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9. Scooter scares me worse than Rove.
Everyone knows Rove is a liar, an ass and a conieving creep.

But Libby's relatively quiet. Still waters run deep.

My guess is that Judith is CIA, Bolton's come down on her on the one side and Fitz on the other. It's either sing and risk a pair of concrete shoes or go to jail for the rest of her life for treason.
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The Sleeper Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:35 PM
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10. Accomplish ?
Why revenge of course. Crushing anyone who gets in their way has always been way more important than any duty to the People of the USA...
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bee Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:38 PM
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12. I thought we knew that long ago...
wasnt scooter already implicated? :shrug:
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:44 PM
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13. Thank you. Further, I don't get it: Libby was Miller's source for the leak
Even his lawyer said that he was the source of the leak. Now, why the hell isn't the dirty bastard in leg irons? WTF?
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:44 PM
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14. Amen. Treason. Libby either is guilty of treason, or Cheney is.
Somebody's gotta go to jail for treason and somebody's gotta either volunteer to do it, or finger Cheney and Bush.

Does this mean Libby's gonna go to jail for the B** crime family?

Why else would the judge demand her testimony? Because it's gonna put someone behind bars and expose the administration.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:58 PM
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17. Maybe we're waiting for the other shoe to drop? n/t
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:59 PM
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18. none of it matters
Bush will issue blanket pardons on his way out the door.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 05:05 PM
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22. bush just knew about it, cheney orchestrated it
betcha
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 05:44 PM
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23. Libbey/Miller
The implications of this go far deeper than Plame.

In a nutshell.

Libby/Cheney fed Miller bogus information about Iraqi WMD's.

Miller wrote articles in NYT about Iraqi WMD's.

Cheney went on TV saying NYT articles about WMD's are proof of need
for war.

This is why Miller didn't want to reveal who her source was, not some phony journalistic ethics.

Miller was a propogandist for administration WMD lies, and now 1900+ Americans and 100,000+ Iraqi's are dead.



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