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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:15 PM
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From what I have read in my short time here
I now believe that the number of US SOLDIERS killed in Iraq is correct. I also am inclined to believe we are employing many hired guns, mercenaries if you will. I now realize I haven't seen any numbers for the deaths of these mercenaries, surely they're being killed also. Are they counted along with the GI's? To the Iraq people they would be one and the same, "Americans." Could this be why the Iraqi believe they can win and are trying so hard to run us out? They're possibly seeing many more killed than what we are told. I wonder.
:think:
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:18 PM
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1. Here Is A Good List Of "Contractor" Deaths From Icasualties...
http://icasualties.org/oif/Civ.aspx

There are a lot of Security Contractors/mercs on the list.

Well over 2,00 if you add them in.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:23 PM
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5. Thanks
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:18 PM
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2. this is gruesome, but
sometimes the merc companies post some sort of condolence message on their websites. Maybe it's only when there is a publically known event, so it would probably take a bit of work to come up with the figures about how many of their people are making one-way trips.
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Comadreja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:19 PM
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3. Maybe that's why
it seems to be "open season" on reporters over there.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:22 PM
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4. Does the 'official' count include those who die from injuries/complication
some time after the initial 'wounded' classification? Does it includ the suicides of those who came home and took their own lives? How about ALL of the ones killed in Hummer accidents?

Doubt that merc KIA would be counted. The guys in power got there by fudging the counts in other areas, why would they suddenly become interested in accuracy?
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:29 PM
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6. I personally think that the official count
will be found to be a very narrow field. I also think that these lying SOB's that got us here should be strung up. :mad:
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:30 PM
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7. Classified Black Ops Guys Are A Mystery As Well.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:36 PM
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9. My original point being, I think something is wrong here
with these "official numbers".
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:34 PM
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8. "Strung up by the gonads with a high C piano wire",
my momma would add to your suggestion. LOL Gads, I miss that woman!
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:38 PM
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10. Yes, the count at icasualties.org includes wounded...
who later die in Germany or in the US.

Sid
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:40 PM
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11. Yes
This has been discussed extensively here many, many times. The "offcial" body count of US soldiers killed in Iraq includes those who die later from wounds in Germany and the US, and also accidents. ("combat deaths" is a separate count which does not include accidents, but the number most commonly used is the total number of deaths, accident and all - 1840 or something by now).

Mercs are not counted.

The number of deaths is comparatively rather low, for a coflict like this, due to the advances made in battlefield medicine. The hidden casualties of the Iraq war are all the thousands who survive, but who are disabled for life. How many are they? 10,000? 15,000? 20,000? No one knows, as thay are not counted and their wounds not announced.
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