I think we should pressure fundamentalist schools to teach evolution

[DanCa]

I was kicking this idea around just now. If the fundies want thier one way brand of christianity in public school I was thinking what if we start taking the fight to them? What if we demand that they put it on thier text books that intelligent design is just a theory on the course books that they use. Can you imagine Pat Robertson saying at the start and the end of the seven hundred club that this show is purely hypotheticly?
Note this post is mostly sarcasm and flu medicine talking. I am a Jesuian - someone who follows Jesus and not the mullings of rw parrots- and I am so tired of the whole it's thier way or the highway spiel. It's time to start playing offense with these people. Maybe once the bully get's hit in the nose a couple of times they'll know to leave everyone alone

[jsamuel]

1. "Take the fight to the ...."

nah

[DanCa]

2. Too much Nightquil ?

[longship]

3. We are, in a way.

The University of California *requires* evolutionary biology as a minimum for entrance. The wackos are suing the UofC for religious discrimination because students educated in Xtian schools (who do not learn evolutionary biology) are summarily rejected for admissions, as they should be.

Isn't that a hoot?

So, if Xtian students want to get into a good university, it's likely that they will have to learn evolutionary biology or they just won't be accepted.

[erinlough]

4. Since churches are now receiving Federal funds from my taxes

I have been thinking about sending a letter around to my local churches asking for an accounting of the use of my tax dollars. From the time Bush took office the churches in my area have all built these big additions that look like schools but are called "Community Centers".

I know these churches and they don't have that kind of money, so where did they get that money? What services are they providing? Who can use these services? How do they distribute my tax dollars?

They have made a deal with the devil and they need to be taken to task by all of us whether we go to the church or not.

[DanCa]

5. Well believe it or not I go to church and ID design makes my skin crawl

It's not sunday school creationism. It's an anti choice trojan horse guidebook.

[NMMNG]

6. Not a bad idea

If they get a taste of their own medicine, perhaps they'll stop writing prescriptions.

[PATRICK]

7. Christan Churches should oppose

this faulty foray into combining science and religion. After all, it uses old deist and french philosophe wedges once intended to DIMINISH the influence of religion in science, the absent clockmaker God, the making of God in the image of the human mind as conceived by rationalists, a very non-emotive, restrictive and dampening intellectualization of faith.

If the WCC had any guts it would declare this BS anathema or whatever. Although in the pre-Renaissance days the world knowledge was left with a "theory" the world could be round, to insist on a retrograde retreat into darkness is the mark of a heresy- and a weird one at that. At least the Gnostics and Marcionites were not flying in the face of common knowledge. Their fantasies were reserved for the unseen.

Just because the mainstream Church power has lost all secular pull and its excommunications and anathemas don't lead to real life stakes and imprisonment doesn't mean that genuine Christians don't have a duty to speak out at really really abusive doctrines inflicted on society as political persecution. Is it reticence, embarrassment? A mutual club thing? A heretic is simply a self proclaimed Christian who is not one, but one glomming onto the name with idolatry of self and offensive alternatives. In less institutionalized and educated times, early in the Church's history there were cults galore, a soapbox for every new idiot prophet. Then there was the one Church world that never got its ideals wrapped around the World. Now there is the compartmentalized bland coexistence that refuses to deal with evil at all when it hits too close to its whitened walls.

Some Christians should enjoin the suit on religious grounds that ID is not a viable Christian theory at all. Our theologians would make mincemeat out of theirs. Fundamentally wrong, scientifically invalid, religiously in error. That leaves it as a frivolous argument for nutjobs to bully our schoolchildren and lie to them about both religion and science in such a way as to warp them into insane, impractical world views.