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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:00 PM
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I have finally calmed down
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 08:15 PM by CatWoman
I had a heated confrontation with a colleague today (via telephone).

He was deployed to Louisiana (public health service officer), and just got back on Monday.

I asked if he saw "Brownie" on the telly yesterday, and he immediately started defending Brownie AND Bush, and attacking Bill Clinton.

I went off. Really. Literally.

He accused me of not listening to him, but I countered that I was listening all too well. He tried to shut me up, and I would have none of it.

When I brought up the Bush Admin coming into the WH lying from the start, telling lies and blaming Clinton for "vandalism", he brought up Clinton saying he didn't have sex with Lewinsky.

All Clinton pardoning Marc Rich.

And Michael Moore. Moron.

He never read "Stupid White Men". Nor has he seen "Roger and Me". If he had read SWM, he would know that Moore is just as hard, if not harder on Clinton than he is on Bush.

Each time he tried to dodge and confuse, I slapped the shit out of him and brought him back.

He claimed Clinton had Bin Laden in his grip (several times) and let him go. I countered that no only did Snopes debunk that lie, so did the 9/11 commission.

He got really pissed when I said that I didn't know he was a Republican, and I had thought better of him than that.

I finally said that he ought to be ashamed of himself, because his party was fucking up this country. He came back with Bush "inheriting" Clinton's "mess" and hasn't had to to straighten it out.

It took me an hour to calm down, then I just started emailing him links to back up my points.

Tomorrow is going to be a real kicker.

I have to remember to send him J.C. Watts' father's quote about blacks voting for Republicans is akin to chickens voting for Col. Sanders.

Fucking asshole.

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:04 PM
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1. Bush regime has hijacked this country for five years now
when are they going to stop blaming Clinton. Hell it only took about 2 years for Clinton to clean up Poppy's mess
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:11 PM
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15. Pubs, the Party of Lie Cheat Steal: All they do is blame others...
Photo Ops, and brain wash...

Clinton made the economy grow from 2500 to 12000

Was paying off the Nat Debt

FEMA worked

People had JOBS

FEAR Level was LOW

Under Bush, its been cronyism, ineptness, deafness(he don take to warnings), and a war we didn't need.

An, where the phuck is Osama?

Opi
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:20 PM
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27. A Republican hollering "Clinton" is like a wrestler hollering "Uncle"
At that point, it's soooo over. They've lost the argument.

Good for you, CatWoman. Slap him once for me, just on principle. :thumbsup:
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:04 PM
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2. It sounds like you did great.
I always get so pissed off I can't remember all the points I want to hit.

Also, be sure to remind him that dumbya is in office, has been for 5 years & when of the effing repugs going to start blaming him? Like, maybe sometime this century?

best
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:07 PM
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4. that was the first thing out of my mouth
and I reminded him that the first attack on the Trade Center happened under Clinton's watch, right after Poppy left office, but NOT ONCE did Clinton try to blame Bush, Sr.

That's when he brought up Monica.
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:09 PM
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11. yeah, of course, Monica.
I mean, good god, Clinton lied about sex. What else could compare to lying about sex? :sarcasm:

best
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:16 PM
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21. Katrina, Rita and Monica all end with the letter "A"
Clearly the Clenis is responsible for all the wreckage and loss of life. :eyes:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:05 PM
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3. How do you have the energy for people like that?
I file them under hopeless and move on. It saves me a lot of Xanax as well! You have a stronger stomach than I do.

:hi:
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:07 PM
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5. LOL
He fooled me!!!

I didn't know until today that he was a Republican.

:hi:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:18 PM
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25. ack! A repuke in hiding!
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 08:19 PM by leftchick
It sounds like you are doing a great job though. But Damn, aren't they all cowards?? You are a more patient woman than I. You Go Girl!

:)
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:07 PM
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6. Send him the link about the pardons bush made today.
They were mostly drug dealers.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:09 PM
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I already emailed that link to my work addy
but I did send him the link about Poppy's pardons:

http://www.salon.com/news/col/cona/2001/02/27/pardons /

as well as the Time story which described all the fuck ups Bush has installed into our government.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:08 PM
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7. Wouldn't happen

The KKKFC would impose a Pullet Tax
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:08 PM
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8. I would have swallowed my tongue and seized.
Which is why I haven't spoken with my Republican relatives since the fall of 2000.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:19 PM
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26. I haven't either I try to fill out my kid's school emergency contact card
And sadly...I have no one to list that is a blood relative in the area.

They are stupid in daily life, so why would I entrust these fools in an emergency situation?

Answer I wouldn't!
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:32 PM
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31. Relax it gets easier the more you have to do it
I have a dumbshit relative that I have this same argument with on every family occasion (and we are a family that likes to have lots of occasions). Each time he tries to blame the locals, then congress, then clinton and finally all politicians (kind of lamely lumping boosh in with the others). He doesn't get sarcasm and I can say just about anything to him in return and he doesn't take it personally. So he forgets the conversation and we go through it again a week later. I used to go duck hunting with him and finally quit because I got tired of listening to the bullshit. He's married to my daughter and I can't avoid him completely so I am learning to live with it. Now it seems funny and predictable and it's getting hard to keep a straight face he's got the talking points down pat. Just don't make the same mistake I did and take it seriously.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:09 PM
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9. Way to go. Don't let him sit in his complacent mudhole.
:beer:
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:09 PM
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10. Holding back the heavy ammo for tomorrow, eh?
Wait 'till you hit him with "truth be demand, dammit!"

He'll be Jell-O. :) :) :)
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:10 PM
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12. LOLOLOL
BE SERIES!!!!!!

:hi:
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:13 PM
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18. I am- that's a hugh statement!!!!!!!!
:hi: back at ya
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:11 PM
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13. There it is again....
The "but Clinton" syndrome. I hope you cursed him out good.
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MojoXN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:11 PM
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14. Well, tell him to go fuck himself, and tune back in to Rush...
Also, ask him how he'll feel when he realizes that he supported a mass murderer. That should get his proverbial knickers in a twist.

MojoXN
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:12 PM
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16. If shrubby has diarrhea, they blame Clinton...
When are they going to hold the boy king accountable for anything?
Have these people gone absolutely bat shit crazy?? They are unbelievable.
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:13 PM
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17. I Just Cannot Believe People Like That!
Are people like that on drugs, or in a cult? They are just so completely removed from reality. I always say that even if Bush did something that was really, really horrible (like becoming a serial killer or being a pedophile), these idiots would *still* like him! Geez, someone "deprogram" them!

Tammy
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:14 PM
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19. Don't forget Bill Bennet's comment about black babies
It's here in this thread about the issue. Nice people these Repukes - so moral. :sarcasm: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:16 PM
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22. I just emailed the video link to my work addy
that's ANOTHER weapon in my arsenal to fling at him.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:03 PM
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38. glad to help! go get 'em!
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:15 PM
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20. Really fucking scary.......
I had the exact same conversation a few weeks ago, with almost exactly the same talking points. I was in the OR, i'm a doc, and everyone started to talk about Katrina and to my surprise started to defend Bush and Brown. Clinton came up and the x-ray tech spewed almost exactly the same crap about Bin Laden.

I lost it, and told everyone to "shut the fuck up, and if they didn't like it, get the fuck out of my room." At least the patient complied, he was asleep at the time. ;)

Arguing with conservatives has become a battle against the walking brain dead. It took me a week to calm down. :evilgrin:
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:18 PM
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24. LOLOL
I was still pretty steamed when I got home.

I cleaned the litter boxes, and went thru several stacks of mail.

I HAD to calm down :D
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PatrioticLeftie Donating Member (909 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:17 PM
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23. Bombard him with facts
Don't just say, provide sources.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:21 PM
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28. We live in Republican Valhalla
They're the ones driving, tell him to enjoy the ride. Or he can fire off a complaint to:
Republicans in Charge
c/o The White House
c/o The Senate
c/o The House
c/o The Supreme Court
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:23 PM
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29. All I can advise is the following:
I went through the same experience with my brother. I decided to tactically cut-off ALL communications for about a month. Then, I mailed him a couple of books: "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" and "Confessions of an Economic Hitman".

We have a much different conversation, now.

Just my experience.

:hug: Don't allow others' lack of knowledge freak you out, too much. You're a great lady. Take a breath,...be "tactical",...if ya' know what I mean. :hug:
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:27 PM
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30. Send him stuff about stolen 2000 election
And how they trashed McCain in the primary. "Psst...McCain has a Black daughter!"
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rainman99 Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:34 PM
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32. Yeah, I had a fight with someone over this. They are clueless.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:41 PM
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33. You and I don't tend to agree on a lot of thngs, but
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 08:42 PM by Redstone
I do understand your frustration when being faced with this crap.

It's difficult, sometimes, to remember that ignorant people such as your correspondent are so oblivious that it's simply not worth arguing, and you end up feeling like you just HAVE to try, even though the odds of them realizing their own blind idiocy are damned slim.

Save yourself the aggro of taking up the argument again tomorrow. Those people never learn, never change their closed minds, and simply WILL NOT listen; even if they're looking right at the blue sky, they'll continue to insist that it's red, if that's what Rush Limpbag and Manne Coulter told them to believe.

Redstone
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:45 PM
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34. I remember when F 9/11 came out, he had the NERVE
the GALL, to send me this jerk ass right wing article debunking the movie.

I can't remember who wrote it - I think it was that weasel Rich Lowry.

That should have been my first clue.

I responded to him that I don't do right wing trash.

If I know an author is a biased liar from the start, there's no way I'm even going to bother to read anything he writes.

Today I did make the point that Michael Moore has not had to refute ONE FACT that he laid out in F 9/11.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:53 PM
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36. But let it go now; don't let it eat you up.
People like that are far too ignorant to ever change their minds.

Redstone
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:52 PM
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35. The divisions in this country are becoming more and more evident
With each passing day and blunder. It's time for every American to pick a side.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:55 PM
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37. This should help

"Delay will soon be doing the 'perp walk'!"
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:10 PM
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39. You're the bomb Catwoman
Give'm hell. I can't believe people try to pull that shit.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:21 PM
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40. Something Similar Happened Between My Brother and I
He still remaines in denial. The man has issues.

They are in denial hard core.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:26 PM
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41. I plan to send his this tomorrow
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:42 PM
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42. Here's one of the things his boy inherited from Clinton......






He took a record budget surplus and turned it into a monumental budget deficit that his grandchildren will be paying off when they grow old.





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