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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:41 PM
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The Republicans are setting themselves up with their talking points
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 05:42 PM by Walt Starr
and I don't even think they know it.

They're talking about how hard it is to get a conviction in a case like this and how going for a conspiracy charge is a last ditch desperate act to try and get somebody and how hard it is to convict for conspiracy.

This is a heavy gamble because I think Earle knows he has Delay dead to rights and furthermore, he would have brought many additional charges had he not already been handcuffed by the Texas court which ruled he had no jurisdiction on the other charges. I also think there may be a federal case in all of this.

If Delay goes down, he's going to tke a lot of Republicans with him and a lot of Republicans will have egg all over their faces next year smack dab in the middle of the elections.

Everything is spin to these assholes, and this is something they won't be able to spin themselves out of.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:52 PM
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1. agreed! Kicked and nominated
We agree again!?! First Walt Starr and then Ann Coulter, the world is upside down!
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:20 PM
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3. It's worse than I thought, DeLay probably already copped a plea bargain,
I expect a nolo contendere plea. He waived the statute of limitations on the charge with the advise and consent of counsel according to the indictment.

Here's the text:

"The Grand Jury further presents that, with the advise and consent of counsel, the defendent, Thomas Dale DeLay, did heretofore knowingly, intelligently, and voluntarily waive application of Articles 12.01 and 12.02 of the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure to the indictment presented herein. In particular, the Grand Jury present that with the advice and consent of counsel, the defendent, Thomas Dale DeLay, did knowingly, intelligently, and voluntarily waive the requirement that an indictment for the felony offense of criminal conspiracy, the object of which is felony other than those listed in Subdivisions (1) and (5) of Article 12.01 of the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, may be presented within three years from the date of commission of the offense, and not afterward, insofar as such requirement pertains to the indictment presented herein,"

Bottom of page three of the indictment:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0928051delay3.html

and the top of page four of the indictment:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0928051delay4.html
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:32 PM
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7. A republican admitting guilt of anything is hard to believe
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 08:32 PM by Melodybe
But it is definitely lose-lose for them.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:35 PM
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11. That's why it will be "nolo contendere"
"No Contest"

"I'm not guilty but I'm not fighting it."

After the plea is entered, though, Earle will be free to brag about how it was a plea bargain.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:54 PM
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2. Delay is like a kid bringing home an F on his reportcard and then
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 05:54 PM by BigBearJohn
blaming the teacher... "aw mom... that teacher doesn't like me. That's why I got the F"
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:27 PM
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4. They do appear to be "spinning" themselves into a political grave.
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 08:49 PM by Just Me
There is so much more looming over the Republican party and the BushCO/neoCON regime right now. Their willingness to risk this country and her people for their own obsession with power along with the pathological deceit and lying WILL bury their political influence for much longer than the Nixon debacle because they are so much friggin worse!!!

Rule #1 in a democracy: Do NOT deceive and betray the people in order to feed your own addiction to power IMHO.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:29 PM
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5. If Delay Cops A Plea, They Are ALL So Fucked
It's delicious...
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:32 PM
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6. I agree. This warrants a federal investigation. DOJ should be on it. n/t
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:34 PM
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8. I'm looking forward to Bill Bennett's radio show tomorrow
my email to him:

Dear Dr. Bennett,

I'm looking forward to your program tomorrow morning, I can't wait to see which Shakespeare qoute, or maybe a Thucyidides quote, you will use to rationalize Tom Delay's corruption.

Sincerely,

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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:25 PM
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23. Ask him what group he's going to suggest be aborted out of existence
next...
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Dhampir Kampf Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:34 PM
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9. I hope so.
But knowing them, they'll find a way to weasel themselves out, but coming up with some BS excuse, and bash Democrats in another way.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:35 PM
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10. They will ask him to quietly go away
to save their chances in '06. Some big money will be thrown his way to disappear.
If Bugmans' ego gets in the way, he will then be thrown under the bus to save the party. Federal indictments will definitely ensue.
I wonder what eating your own tastes like.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:10 PM
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26. Chicken
it tastes like chicken :rofl:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:36 PM
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12. If it's hard to convict, you know they've been taking this into account
all this time that they've been breaking the laws.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:37 PM
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13. Naw...he knows he fucked, or he wouldn't have stepped down
as speaker.

This is good ol' fashioned saber-rattling to rile up his true believers.
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:44 PM
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15. I believe he was required to step down as speaker by virtue of being
indicted.

He didn't have a choice.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:50 PM
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17. Could be. If so, I don't know what's more alarming...
that he was required to step down (meaning he probably wouldn't have if he wasn't forced to).

or that there's precedent for this situation - enough to warrant a rule like that.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:42 PM
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14. Of course they'll spin it, the interesting thing is isn't bushites dizzy
by now from the constant right wing spin? I think they are sick to death of right wing talking points justifying bad ethics and bad behavior. A house divide WILL fall.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:48 PM
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16. Not only is it spin, but it is flat wrong
Conspiracy is generally much easier to prove than the underlying crime, especially for defendants at the top that rarely "get their hands dirty". A conspiracy is simply an agreement between two or more people to commit a crime followed by an "overt act" by someone in furtherance of the agreement. DeLay doesn't even have to be the one who acted in furtherance of the conspiracy. In other words the state doesn't have to prove that he physically did anything, only that he made an agreement with others to do something illegal.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:56 PM
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18. That was my thinking, as well. His constitutents are facing 99 years,...
,...of potential imprisonment. He did NOTHING to save their asses. Anyone really believe that their loyalty is so blind as to sacrifice the possibility of a huge reduction by simply testifying about his involvement and direction?

C'mon!!! There is enough evidence in news-type to tie Delay into the scheme.

He is a gonner!!! However, he also feels quite comfortable in waging intimidation tactics,...hope the bastard gets caught 'cause he'll invite additional charges relating to interfering with an investigation.

What is with the rumors about him "copping a plea"? :eyes:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:15 PM
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21. Read the indictment
Here's the text:

"The Grand Jury further presents that, with the advise and consent of counsel, the defendent, Thomas Dale DeLay, did heretofore knowingly, intelligently, and voluntarily waive application of Articles 12.01 and 12.02 of the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure to the indictment presented herein. In particular, the Grand Jury present that with the advice and consent of counsel, the defendent, Thomas Dale DeLay, did knowingly, intelligently, and voluntarily waive the requirement that an indictment for the felony offense of criminal conspiracy, the object of which is felony other than those listed in Subdivisions (1) and (5) of Article 12.01 of the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, may be presented within three years from the date of commission of the offense, and not afterward, insofar as such requirement pertains to the indictment presented herein,"

Bottom of page three of the indictment:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0928051delay3.html

and the top of page four of the indictment:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0928051delay4.html
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:57 PM
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19. Is this a sacrifice in the public eye to dsicredit big time GOPindictments
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:10 PM
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20. I hope you're right
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 09:10 PM by FreedomAngel82
I'll wait till 2006 for sure though. I do love justice though.
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cowboy hula girl Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:32 PM
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22. This should be the end of the bug man....... bye bye bug man....!
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blossomstar Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:49 PM
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24. Praise God, I have lived long enough to see his smirking, evil
face all red and blown up because he is coming DOWN! YES! There is HOPE! Thank you Lord!
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:59 PM
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25. So SICK of RE-THUGLICAN Spins!
I'm praying they get more then just "egg" on their faces!
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The Unknown Derelict Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 02:40 AM
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27. Egads
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 02:41 AM by The Unknown Derelict
Does anyone else get tired of 'talking points'?
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