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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:58 PM
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Harold Ford shilling for DeLay on MSNBC
Saying he is inocent until proven guilty and such. He, as a Democrat, was touting the Republican talking points. This proves that the DLC and the Republican party are one and the same.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:01 PM
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1. I use to like Harold Ford ____ man what was I thinking. n/t
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marbuc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:05 PM
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2. He IS innocent until proven guilty, what else would you expect him to say?
It's bad form for party leaders to pile on at this point. I'll need further evidence before I start criticizing a Dem for "shilling for Delay." Did he say anything like "I have spoken to Tom, and am certain he has done nothing wrong"? No?
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:07 PM
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3. Agree
Leave the glee to people like me, who doesn't have a public persona to maintain.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:09 PM
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7. how is actively standing up to defend a crook "maintaining persona"
if ASKED, he could have responded with "innocent until proven," (if at all) but he's VOLUNTEERING this defense.
That's the OP's sticking point
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:12 PM
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11. From the OP, I can't tell that he was or wasn't asked.
I'm assuming if he was on TV, he was asked. I don't see it as defending a crook. I see it as defending our judicial system.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:14 PM
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That hardly defending him
It's pointing out the obvious. That's kind of leap to make him a shill for DeLay.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:48 PM
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33. Well, it just so happens to be a Republican talking point, too.
He was also talking about stopping partisan attacks in Congress. Not necesarily putting the hear on DeLay.

Listen, Ford knows how corrupt this bastard is, and all he has to say is "Innocent until proven guilty." Come on.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:08 PM
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4. Exactly and the longer is stays around the better
will their be daily updates on Delay? I sure hope so.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:09 PM
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8. Bad form?....What will "good form" gain us against repukes?
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 04:10 PM by Webster Green
Not a fucking thing!

I like Nancy Pelosi's form, and Howard Dean's as well.

Attack the repukes for their endless corruption.

We have nothing to gain by being nice.

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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:16 PM
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17. A-freaking-Men - eom
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:13 PM
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12. Too many Americans fall for that INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY nonsense.
The accused are only innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

Outside of the court, it is the People's prerogative, if not the People's responsibility, to come to our own conclusions.

Call it freedom.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:25 PM
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25. Exactly.
That is the key point.

I don't find fault with Ford saying it in the context he did. At this time, in terms of being a member of the House, Ford can't call for him to be sent packing.

But in general terms, "innocent until proven guilty" is very misunderstood. Tom Delay is guilty as sin.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:18 PM
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18. How about "no comment" ? How about saying nothing at all that
could even smack at defending him? Kinda like when he says things like,"I love George Bush."
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:23 PM
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24. He should just STFU
It wouldn't hurt a damn thing if he would keep is damn trap shut.
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:09 PM
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5. I see the Spin has started already
The Prosecutor has been getting ripped into, being called a Fanatic.

This is probably just a tatic to scare off Fitzgerald with his investigation.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:09 PM
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6. the jury did
well 12 people thought he was guilty and involved in this or else this indictment would not have been brought forth!
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:10 PM
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9. You don't understand the grand jury system, do you?
No one has found him guilty. Thirty (30) people have found that there is enough evidence for an indictment to be issued.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:11 PM
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10. okay excuse me
30 people thought he was involved and that there was enough evidence against him to be charged.right?
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:14 PM
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14. They don't judge guilt or innocence. Only that the evidence is sufficient
for a trial to take place. That is their charge. They are not judging whether the evidence makes him guilty or not.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:13 PM
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13. Ehw! Nasty
Harold just needs to STFU.

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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:14 PM
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15. Harold has
Joementum
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:20 PM
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21. Is that Joementum
as in holy joe lieberman

if so good one

Here Ford is in front of the MSM and he has a chance to question the ethics of the repunks - and get some Dem talking points across and he doesn't do it - probbly why he was the guest....
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:15 PM
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16. I gave up on Ford when I heard him talk about his INSANE
plan for Social Security.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:18 PM
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19. The corporate media is trying so hard to get a leading Democrat to say
the wrong thing concerning Delay. After that, the "offending" Democrat becomes the story.
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Seansky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:19 PM
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20. CYA, maybe?
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CatBoreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:21 PM
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22. Dear Gods....
I thought I read HaRRISON Ford...

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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:22 PM
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23. He has no shame ... he tried for Pelosi's position ...
Saying that Nancy Pelosi was *too liberal* to be the minority leader.

IMO Harold Ford's too REPUBLICAN to remain as a Democratic Representative in Our House. :P
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:28 PM
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26. He's a witch! Burn him! Burn him!! n/t
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:31 PM
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27. You crack me up.
Thanks for the chuckle. I see a trend starting. :)
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:37 PM
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30. Yes, it's a very familiar trend, isn't it. n/t
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:32 PM
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28. This proves that Rep. Ford
knows the constitution... :eyes:
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:54 PM
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34. Obviously, this goes beyond that.
This is the critical period where the population is judging whether this case is BS or whether it has merit. I guaruntee you most of the population has never heard of this story until today. Ford knows for sure that DeLay is crooked. Yet he gives the impression that "Who knows if he is corrupt...it hasn't been proven yet."

That is complete BS. The public is formulating their opinions NOW on this issue, and that is the best he can do?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:06 PM
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35. I mean about the specific charge in question
There's plenty of places for people to get their speculation on this charge, Ford's statement of fact isn't going to change that. I do think he should discuss Delay's and the repug leaders various ethics problems quite forcefully.

No reason he needs to say whether he thinks Delay will ultimately be found guilty or not on this specific charge unless he wants to. There is plenty of other material to work with.

So I join you in disgust if Ford is failing to raise the overall question of ethics in the republican leadership. I didn't see the interview.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:33 PM
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29. Just another reason for me to hate him
I puke on Ford and have for quite some time, heh.

:puke:

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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:38 PM
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31. As a Black man, he makes me very ashame.
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 04:42 PM by jaysunb
He's right up there w/ Clarence, Condi and Colin now.
I used to really like this young man and his Dad, but they've proven to be nothing more than opportunist. :evilfrown:
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:45 PM
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32. We appreciate the honesty jaysunb
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 04:45 PM by ElectroPrincess
For it is much better than thuggish :sarcasm:

But whatever floats the DLC boat is what some may resort to. ;)
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:11 PM
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36. I saw him and was very, very disappointed. What repug would do this
for a dem in trouble?
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:13 PM
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37. Screw Ford. Kurita for Senator!
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