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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:56 PM
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Let the lawsuits begin
That's all I have to say.

Bev Harris
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:57 PM
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1. good
The early call on this doesn't seem kosher at all.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:58 PM
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2. And they won't prevail
nt
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. Since you haven't looked at one iota of the evidence
how would you know?

65,000 documents. Without knowing what's in them, you have no idea.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. I do have an idea
Lawsuits rarely overturn elections. And that's the reality.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. Quit redefining my post.
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 11:10 PM by BevHarris
It says "let the lawsuits begin."

The remedy of the lawsuits is not on the discussion table just yet -- your tossing up a straw man ("won't overturn the election") and then shooting it down just demonstrates that you have an agenda.

I said, "Let the lawsuits begin."

That's all I said.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. Good luck with it, Bev
I just don't see you prevailing. And people will dismiss you as being "sore losers".
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. Who says it will be MY lawsuit?
And who gives a shit about what people want to characterize it as. They said Gore was a sore loser too, but he should have fought harder. He could have won that one, if he didn't have a mole as an advisor. He had an easy path to a win had he chosen the right course of action instead of listening to Grima Wormtongue.

Frankly, you make a lot of assumptions.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. Too true. & Cruz just said that they're going to have a lot more to say on
the recall.

It sounded like they were going to start litigating.

I say good.

Gore should have fought harder, and should have used the law.

And I don't think this recall is at all constitutional.
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:24 PM
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22. I agree Gore
should have fought harder. I'm afraid that the fighters in this party are hindered by the chickens and cowards. There has got to be immediate changes made or good bye party. I listened to former Gov Ann Richards of Texas on C- span, said she left the state of Texas with 2 billion surplus and if she had known she was going to loose she would have spent every dime of it.I know that this is off subject but I say if you're going down why not fight on your way.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 03:04 AM
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51. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. oh BLAH to your post!
who the HELL cares what those idiots who voted arnold in will think of us?! my god!

this is about doing what's right. and fighting. not trying to appease the enemy and succumb to their schemes.


shameful. just shameful.


yes, bev, let those lawsuits begin. it's gonna be ugly indeed.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. Newsguy ATL -- thank you.
This is about what's right. There are many possible causes of action, many possible plaintiffs, many possible remedies.

Each one that brings us closer to getting accountability back into our voting system is worth doing, and who cares what the wormtongue crowd wants to whisper in our ears.

Do what's right, people. Some are. Like Kucinich. Like Dean. And there are more.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:35 PM
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27. Oh Wow, Carlos... Ya Mean Like 'Sore\Loserman' ??? Like That ???
Hey Carlos... Sh*v* It!!!

Tonight's not the night for Centrist pep talks!!!

:grr: :nuke: :mad:




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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #13
30. Carlos what is your agenda?
you obviously have one. It's ok your but one voice...and your on the loosing side.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 03:06 AM
Response to Reply #30
52. As if you have to ask??
Let your instincts BE YOUR GUIDE....

:)
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Bushknew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #2
35. Either your with us in getting Arnold out, or your with the Pukes.
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:08 AM
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41. I have listened to your crap long enough.
With all due respect, disregarding my real feelings in the header, you've filled way too many threads with nothing but loosing phylosophies (spelled "crap"). Look, I also don't subscribe to some of the a-little-too-left stuff here, but I DO subscribe to Dem victories. IMHO, you're not understanding what kind of voter we have to go after. They're not here, and they're not on FR. More than likely, they're spending about 1/1000 of the time we spend thinking about issues. It's a sheep thing. No disrespect, but it's way easier to rah-rah with the flock than to make a stand. We have to change the reason for rah-ing. It used to be worker's rights, public schooling, a better life for my offspring. It's now, how big(and flat) my TV is, Hummers, and dude, look at my debt. I've digressed, but making this look like a Repuke power grab is most important. And how would YOU do that?

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haymaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:01 AM
Response to Reply #2
57. Surprise, surprise.
Thanks for the update.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:00 PM
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3. I hope you are right Bev. I am just sick!!!!
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MoonAndSun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:02 PM
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4. It will be a battle, Bev,
is California up to it? And are the Dems up to it? This is a fight to the bitter end. We cannot give up and let them steal another one. I always have hope that the truth will set us free.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. There is no proof of fraud here
It's just a matter of wishful thinking.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. A declarative sentence devoid of evidence
I submit that your claim to know what the evidence is and how the lawsuits will be framed (as of now, just 54 minutes after the polls have closed) speaks volumes about your bias, and in fact, your role as a propagandist.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:08 PM
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10. I am realistic, Bev
I've followed your threads for weeks on end here. And you haven't shown anything to me that makes me think you are right.

You raise legitimate concerns, I will concede that. But you annd your supporters seem to scream "election fraud" all the time.

Do you think the no votes on Prop 53 and Prop 54 were stolen too? Or were those "fair elections" because they supported your position?

What you are doing is basically acting like the "Boy Who Cried Wolf". So when real fraud happens, in an actual close election, people will shrug their shoulders.

Again the odds of a lawsuit overturning the election of Arnold are nil. You would have to have the equivalent of Jesus's second coming to prove this.

And I don't think you do.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. Again, you mischaracterized my post and then shot down your own
argument. You actually have no idea, if you haven't looked at the evidence, which you haven't, and by the way, a bunch of posts on a discussion board do NOT constitute the body of my work. Read a book.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. What is the title of your book
I'll read it.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. Check the BBV website -
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #17
33. I thought you said you had followed the threads
that is BULLSHIT! or you would know the fecking title.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. fecking?
heh. How dainty.

Hi GB&C.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:17 AM
Response to Reply #37
45. Well
there are kids present.

:evilgrin:
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #17
48. What Amazes me Carlos is that you have anyone responding to your drivel
I would have thought everyone would have you on ignore by now.....

DOH! Silly me.....I'll take care of that right away.....

Keep fighting The Good Fight.....

Don't Give Up.....

I have a feeling that is what a great deal about tonight was about....To make the Dems quit once and for all.....

I've got news for all of them.....You'll take this country over my Dead Body.....Don't make me prove it.....

TheWatcher
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. Bev
his posts here (like so many others of his) aren't worth this much of your (and my) energy...

why get bogged down with negativity and disruption?


keep fighting the good fight babe! lots of us are behind you!!!
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #14
24. Bev, just use your ignore button.
poof. he's gone...
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #24
34. Excellent idea!
Thanks for the suggestion. :)
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:57 AM
Response to Reply #14
68. You should just put the moron on ignore.
I no longer have to listen to the Freeper's bullshit, and it's awesome not to have to bore myself to tears with his grade-school semantics.

He's so not worth the time, Bev. Just put the fool on ignore, you need your attention elsewhere.

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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:02 PM
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5. Deja vu
They're not going anywhere..we've been here before..
Interesting that McClintock was the "favored" person to win w/ 53% as reported on CNN..Plus, the oversexed goon will have a ball in the governor's mansion..they talked about Bill, well, this guy is WORSE.
This reminds me of 2000, they called * the winner early..major coup!
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RTC Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #5
12. Something's fishy here because
I got an e-mail from moveon.org saying that "the race was too close to call." But the minute the polls closed every network said Arnold won without batting an eye.

Obviously, someone is lying!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #12
21. Remember 2000 strategy: they knew it was going to be close, so they called
it to make it seem like it was fait accomplis (sp?)
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TinfoilHatProgrammer Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:29 PM
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25. let the lawsuits begin?
Why... did Diebold finally hit you with a libel suit?

JC
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. Hey where's your bud, you know, Cocoa?
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 11:37 PM by liberalnproud


edited for spelling
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. Bev - Question re your book.
I ordered your book from Amazon and they sent an email saying it was not available. Normally they keep the order on hand and send it when they get it, but this time they said my credit card would be credited and that was the end of that. What's up with that? I live in CA and totally believe all I have read about your research, etc. When I voted today, we had the punch type ballots and, believe me, everybody was checking their chads; even the people working there asked if we checked them. I agree that the lawsuits should start, but the big one that has already been filed in the one regarding the energy crisis and the money we should have received from Enron, etc. This whole debacle was to save Cheney's butt; otherwise, he would have done a little jail time. Keep up the good work.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. Amazon will stock it, they are waiting for ship date
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 11:49 PM by BevHarris
They usually don't sell books before the books are shipped to them, but they contacted us to start selling this one. Then their computer gagged, because that decision didn't match their system. It will get back in there shortly.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 03:10 AM
Response to Reply #25
53. Well Tinfoil that would have been you darlin'
You just love that corporate fascist thang......

Blowing kisses*******
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:38 PM
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28. They have nothing to lose!
and Begala just told Blitzer that he's been talking to Dem acitivsts with $$$ who already want to start the recall of Arnold. They want to get it on the ballot in March to coincide with the primary.

Interesting since he's said that he'll lay out his plans and policies after the election. So, at least his opponents will have something to debate against.

I feel that the Dems need to get the guts, put on the boxing gloves and take on the Republicans. Marquis of Queensberry rules be damned. It's time to jump into the mosh pit and fight. Otherwise, we might as well just give up and suffer in silence while our democracy crumbles beneath our feet.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. Right on, eleny
When a dapper gentleman gets attacked by a thug, it doesn't do any good to say please and thank you. At some point he's got to take a swing or get the stuffing beat out of him.

There are many ways to fight. Some of the Dems do realize that.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #36
47. I say we Subvert
the dominant paradigm.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 05:00 AM
Response to Reply #28
69. Damn straight!
It's clobberin' time!

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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:42 PM
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31. Keep Up The Good Work Bev!
Some of us believe in what you are doing!
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WaterDog Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:57 PM
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38. Obviously,
Bev, you don't want to say much about just what these lawsuits are about. But I'm really wondering about the results being plastered on cable. All the internal polling had been saying it was so close. I can't tell what they're basing on exit polls and what not. Can anyone tell me if these numbers have likely been BBVed? Do the before mentioned lawsuits have direct connection to BBV? Thanks.
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TinfoilHatProgrammer Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #38
39. too big a spread to be rigged
The numbers aren't even close. The people have spoken.

JC
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #39
40. Um...
LA is reporting a 10% turnout out of 3 million voters. Average statewide turnout is above 50%.

So the spread don't mean squat, there is still a potential million votes to be counted. Plus the provisional votes, seems the voter rolls got hosed in Dem precincts.
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WaterDog Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #40
42. What do you mean
--a 10% turnout in LA? Only 10% of all voters in LA actually voted? That can't be possible. What are you looking at when you say Dem precinct voter rolls got hosed?
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #42
44. News Stories
about people who have been registered for years, going to the polls and not being on the rolls, then getting a provisional ballot.

Here's the county returns: http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/status.htm

There is possibly a million votes up in the air just with LA. More outstanding than the spread in question 1.
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WaterDog Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #44
46. The 10%
is what's been reported. Where are the news stories?--on local TV?
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:46 AM
Response to Reply #40
67. Updated LA county stats -- no magic cookie jar, unfortunately
Edited on Wed Oct-08-03 04:46 AM by 0rganism
Of 4 million registered voters, 1.8 million (46.8%) turned out. With 95% reporting,
Yes 835,428 48.9%
No 872,095 51.1%

That's all she wrote.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #39
43. I can't help but wonder who YOUR people are?????
*
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Kenneth ken Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:50 AM
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49. at 10:40 (PST)
Edited on Wed Oct-08-03 12:51 AM by Kennethken
Yes 1,877,080 55.3
No 1,522,186 44.7

precincts reg. voters precincts reporting
Alameda 1,010 706,056 0

Is Diebold having problems getting their fix in place in this county?
or what?
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #49
50. Can someone explain to me why 48% reporting yet there is only....
Edited on Wed Oct-08-03 12:59 AM by Spazito
3.5% of of total Californians votes counted. I thought the turnout was heavy?

1,8877,080 yes
1,522,186 no

This doesn't "compute" to me.

Edited to add: considering the pop of California is 35 million
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YourDad Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 03:18 AM
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54. What if they rig those too?
What if they get judges on their side? They rigged the election and they can pay off a judge.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 03:40 AM
Response to Reply #54
55. Thats why you are our "dad"....give us some suggestions.
:) Apparently we could use some recommendations.
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YourDad Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 03:59 AM
Response to Reply #55
56. ha ha the only suggestion i have
is to move out of the country! i am looking to move to europe, i am getting out here while i can.
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Kenneth ken Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:08 AM
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58. 02:00 PST
Edited on Wed Oct-08-03 04:10 AM by Kennethken
the vote2003.ss.ca.gov website went down?

I dunno why.

edit: the home page is up. just the linked pages are not working - the ones which show vote tabulations.


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Metatron Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:21 AM
Response to Reply #58
59. I noticed that the site is down
It makes me wonder what other technological problems they are having.
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TinfoilHatProgrammer Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:27 AM
Response to Reply #59
60. I noticed that the site is up
The site is back. It gives me faith in their ability to deal with technical problems.

JC
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Metatron Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:30 AM
Response to Reply #60
61. I see its back
I just wonder if any data transmission errors occurred.
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Kenneth ken Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:31 AM
Response to Reply #60
62. since it's up for you
why don't you post a quick count of what the yes/no vote is now?

It still is down for me.

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Metatron Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:33 AM
Response to Reply #62
63. With 91.3 % ( 13907 of 15235 ) precincts reporting as of 2:07am
Yes 3,810,672 54.3
No 3,213,110 45.7
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:35 AM
Response to Reply #62
65. Yes - No
Yes 3,810,672 54.3
No 3,213,110 45.7

Oddly, it's not down, but blocked for me (I'm in Japan). I had to use a proxy (I used Google translator) to get to it.
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haymaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:34 AM
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64. At 2:07 AM, Pacific, just 7,023,000 counted, roughly.
I thought there would have been more.
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Metatron Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:38 AM
Response to Reply #64
66. There are still some counties (2:33 am pacific)
with less than half the precincts reporting
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