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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:18 PM
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Buchanan on MSNBC:
"Pretty much the end of Delay's career." -- Patrick Buchanan

Turn on MSNBC!!!
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Neocondriac Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:20 PM
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1. TAKE THAT....
Teflon Tommy!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:22 PM
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3. "Too much baggage"
Buchanan says that Delay has too much scandal for the republicans to support him further. They are going to have to drop him.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:21 PM
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2. Chris Matthews:
Points out the DA must have either (or both): {1} a witness who is in Delay's office, who has turned; or {2} a paper trail.
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:28 PM
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4. A paper trail = A Republican's worst nightmare
All hail the mighty power of the written record. Hehehe :)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:30 PM
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26. I think it is
likely the combination. A DA would be going out on a limb if he only had some questionable paper trail, or a weasal trying to save his own behind. This seems more solid. People like Matthews and Buchanan wouldn't be so sure he's dead in the water if they didn't know there was something solid.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:34 PM
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7. He probably also has underlings who have flipped.
Time-honored prosecutorial procedure -- indict the little fish on enough counts to put them away for decades and force them to rat on the big fish to save their skins.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:27 PM
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25. Time-honored
because it works really well! (grin) It leaves the accused few choices. What to do? Attack the little fish? "Oh, yeah! Well, when he worked for me, he did ______!!!" I think that there must be at least one person that the DA turned.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:31 PM
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5. delay can become a lobbyist and continue the corruption as usual......
just ask brother newt, he'll show you how!!
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:33 PM
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6. Or a radio show host..
like G. Gordon.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:41 PM
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9. Don't forget the traitor, Ollie North!
so many to list, so little time!
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:45 PM
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12. Ollie North-Textbook Psychopath, but don't forget a great neocon American
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:43 PM
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10. g. gordon- raw talent at its best
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:43 PM
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30. Brother Newt is somewhere in the background of this I bet. He hates
DeLay.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:12 AM
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38. Tom Delay SHOULD BE the most hated entity in AMERICA!!!!
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 03:18 PM
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39. He's not? BTW, did you hear Randi? The Hammer has been Nailed. eom
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:35 PM
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8. i'd like to see him hang on for another 12 months or so...
but, this may make his end come way sooner.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:14 PM
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18. His press conference
was telling. He starts off gruff and angry, accusing the DA of being a criminal. But when he began to talk about himself, he could not say two sentences without fumbling words. Were I interviewing Tom in the county jail, I'd know his performance was that of an anti-social lying shit.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:30 PM
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27. "I'd know his performance was that of an anti-social lying shit." And
do you have any reason to believe that isn't the case here as well?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:41 PM
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29. I guess I'm
just day-dreaming that I'm not retired, that I've walked across the street to the jail, and listened to his crap. "Well, Tom, we have a problem here. I can tell that you are lying."

No reason. None at all.
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GOPAgainstGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:43 PM
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11. Pat is full of BS! It's a Weak Charge Against DeLay Unfortunately........
and not the charges the DA wanted from the GJ. But it beat nothing. DeLay's two buddies indicted are looking at 99 years each. DA hoping to roll them to get more on Tommy Boy for later but the Papa Bush Texas Family Mafia is EXTREMELY powerful and dangerous.

Excellent Background & Current Articles DB on DeLay & TRMPAC Indictments

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:56 PM
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14. Doesn't matter. State jail felony or murder...
... a felony is a felony is a felony.

Ronnie Earle (did I mention he was prosecutor of the year in Texas?) wouldn't have indicted him if he didn't have his ducks in a row.

Felony conviction = no more polictickal career.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:08 PM
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16. I disagree.
First, Pat B. said even if Tom Delay beats the charge, his career is done. The White House has to drop support for him because he has too much baggage. Second, he said that about half the House republicans are ready to withdraw support for Delay.

Conspiracy charges are historically hard to prove. But we do not know the evidence the DA has. Hence, one can only speculate -- without having any real knowledge -- about the strength of the charges.
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:14 PM
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19. I know that Maine's
two Reps--Snowe and Collins, both moderate Repubs--probably WOULDN'T support DeLay... I HOPE. They represent more of the traditional GOP than the neo-cons in power now.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:21 PM
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23. That's an important point.
While I do not support even moderate republicans as a rule, I am aware that a growing number are looking to distance themselves from the administration. A number of times in the past 16 months, I have quoted from Joseph Wilson's book, where he quotes unnamed republicans who express dismay at the strong-armed tactics that the administration takes in trying to crush those who disagree with them.

There are republicans who are sincere in their beliefs -- some are fiscal conservatives, for example, who know that the Halliburton war in Iraq is a sin. Others know the WMD lies were criminal. This is the beginning of the shift that "old-timers" recognize from the Nixon era. Today is an important day.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:05 PM
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32. The Shift Has Begun
The first domino was Safavian (sp?), now Delay, next week maybe Fitz will have a gift or two for us. Haven't mentioned Frist because I'm not sure yet if it will have legs though I think it has squashed any hopes he has of being a viable candidate for Prez.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:35 PM
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33. 5 weeks.
Things will look different.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:02 PM
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34. Nov. 2nd Then
Care to elaborate?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:19 PM
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35. Sure.
It falls on a Wednesday.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:40 PM
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36. Yep, they will be jettisoning DeLay and probably Frist. I can
hear in now. In 2006, they will be saying "Oh, we're REAL CONSERVATIVES, not NEOCONS. You can vote for us. We're the good guys."

Then they'll continue with the same old agenda. That is why we need to stop making a distinction between Cons and NeoCons.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:44 PM
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37. Good point.
It seems that the democratic party should be able to make huge gains in the House and Senate.

I am letting my representatives know that I will not donate a penny to any candidate who is not strongly opposing the war.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:17 PM
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21. The fact his "partners" are facing 99 years in prison is relevant,...
,...to the strength of the charge against him. I'll bet it's a very tight indictment. That doesn't mean pressure will not be placed upon every single participant to drop the thing. Nevertheless, I feel pretty confident that the DA has more than ample evidence to sustain a conspiracy conviction.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:33 PM
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28. I Am Perplexed Here Friend I've Read Your Posts
And you seem to be speaking out against Delay but when the shit gets hot on this douche bag you for lack of a better word get weird.

Sorta like you do not want to see him prosecuted. Why would I think that? I am confused friend. You got to admit the guy is tainted at best.
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GOPAgainstGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:45 PM
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31. What I am saying is:
1. There has been a dozen threads started on what NeoNazi Pat Buchanan said on this subject and he is totally wrong per usual.

2. BushCo will not and cannot dump DeLay without exposing the Bush Family Texas Mafia. PERIOD

3. We spent 3 years in a Grand Jury investigation here in Austin/Houston and for that we get ONE weak "Hail Marry" charge against DeLay, involving only ONE transaction. That's pretty disgusting.

4. It's obvious from reading the indictment that DeLay's attorney's had some say in it's drafting, which is not uncommon in Texas. Bottom line, DeLay will never spend a day in jail on this matter after 3 years of hard work.

5. Finally, this is not Mexico, our legal system doesn't operate under Napoleonic Law.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:52 PM
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13. I hope he's right. I'm still wonderin' whether the Abramoff case,...
,...will lead to federal charges against Delay.

Delay has earned hitting the bottom in flames: corrupt, crook!!!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:15 PM
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20. The effect this will
have on the republican party -- and especially the administration -- should not be underestimated.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:21 PM
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22. It's raining fire on the Republican leadership,...for sure.
Brown, Delay, Frist, Abramoff + his network,...and I find myself frequently fantasizing about Fitz's up-n-coming actions.

There's a LOT of folks starting to talk in rural America: about Katrina, about Cindy (damn straight she has the moral authority to ask, "What noble cause?"), the war, the fuel and cost-of-living increases, the debt, the tax cuts for the most wealthy, etc.

People are starting to talk.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:24 PM
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24. The times
they are a'changing.
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:00 PM
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15. sometimes..... sometime I like Pat.

damn he make some good conservative sense.

We'll got to make peace with the real conservative right and drive these clowns from power.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:11 PM
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17. He's odd.
I think he's off his rocker on most social issues. But he is a smart man on a number of economic and international issues. And, of course, he knows a lot about the inner workings of Washington.

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