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QuettaKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:26 PM
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Delay: will he get a pardon or prison...?
Anyone know what the possible jail time he is looking at...and on a more realistic note, yeah we are all laughing and having a great time, but really, when all is said and done, won't bush just pardon him and call it a day?
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Seansky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:27 PM
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1. Probably pardon, but based on the reaction by the freepers, the damage
has been done...
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toymachines Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:27 PM
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2. 2 years or 5 probation
i dont know, bush might distance himself. then again, they dont even try to fool us now.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:32 PM
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3. Indictment is not the same as conviction
remember the trial hasn't begun yet. expect lots of lawyers to try to lie their way out of it.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:01 PM
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18. Look what SCOTUS and B*'s attorneys did in 2000...I will never forget
that major lesson in treason against the American people. IMHO, the Republican party is and has been tainted for years. If they didn't run on, and get elected for Family Values, ethics (:barf :)and phony religious propaganda, maybe some of their hypocricy could be overlooked, or at least halfway tolerated. But too much for me, for way too long.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:02 PM
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19. How did that smiley end up in my message? LOL !!!!.....n/t
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:28 PM
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25. Yup. First thing he gets is a trial.
He doesn't want one, but he'll get one.

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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:54 PM
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4. As loyal as Bush is to his cronies,
I'd bet on a pardon.
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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:55 PM
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5. A pardon, but even then ...
The right-wing administration already reeks of corruption. Every incident like this just alerts more people to that unforgettable stench.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:07 PM
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6. I don't think Bush can pardon him.
He's indicted in Texas State Court.

That said, our governor might pardon him.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:14 PM
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7. Usually a conviction has to come before a sentence....
unless the rules have been changed recently. But either way, I seriously doubt he'll serve any time in prison.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:15 PM
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8. Can't we execute him?
I'd make an exception just this once :D
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joanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:19 PM
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11. I dont think he will serve any jail time
and to be honest, dont really care.

The main thing is..... the damage has been done.

HUGE damage in my opinion.

The Repukes control every branch of government. They are going to try and blame the Dems somehow. But rather difficult when you control everything.

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:17 PM
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9. Considering the nature of the crime, I would say there is a damn good
paper trail. They may just have to sacrifice him so he doesn't bring down the ship. A pardon would be bad, bad PR for the whole lot of them.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:18 PM
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10. He would have to be pardoned by the Governor of Texas
Bush can only pardon for Federal Offenses.

And yes, a pardon can be given to someone even before charges are raised, but it depends on the pardoning power of the governor in that state (The POTUS has pardon power to the extent that he can pardon before charges are brought up).

I am not familiar with Texas Governor Pardon power... so I can't say if he will be pardoned or not and when.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:21 PM
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12. He'd better do some jail time!
:grr:
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:25 PM
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13. "Disgraced former Majority House Leader Tom Delay"

:-)

prison or pardon - no matter. He LOOKS bad. The death of a Repbulican's squirming black soul...
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:07 PM
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21. That has a nice ring to it.... :) nt
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:09 PM
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22. Not my coinage, honestly

Thre's another thread around here with that as its subject line.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:26 PM
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14. I just want to see this:
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:26 PM
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15. a state jail felony punishable by up to two years incarceration
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Geoff R. Casavant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:54 PM
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16. The way I see it
There is just a little over one year before the next House election in 2006, and about six months before the primaries. Delay is going to have to worry about a trial in that time, he doesn't want to be a candidate who is currently under indictment.

My take is that he is suddenly going to realize he hasn't spent enough time with his family and has declined to seek reelection. After that I could ruly not care less if he is pardoned because the facts will come out in any event and he will be politically radioactive for a very long time. And as a bonus I expect every candidate who accepted money from his various PACs will have plenty of pressure to return it -- guilt by association all around.
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:56 PM
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17. Perry would have to pardon him, not Bush.
These are state charges. It's more likely that the state legislature will legalize the very impropriety of which Tom DeLay is indicted of conspiring to do. Texas, unlike most states, makes it illegal for corporations to contribute to political campaigns. Tom's TRMPAC laundered corporate money through DC PACs for that purpose.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:06 PM
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20. resident astrologer, Nancy Waterman has this to say
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:11 PM
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23. come on - perhaps this is why junior has been
holding out that last USOC nomination.

The reich-wing judges are easily bought. He will get off scot-free.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:15 PM
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24. Bush will not pardon Delay. He doesn't give a damn.
Delay is powerful man in Texas. Bush hates competition. Bush won't waste political capital on Delay.

If he does pardon Delay, there is a large exchange of money somewhere.
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