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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:41 AM
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Army Investigates Photos of Iraqi War Dead on Web
I can't believe this shit by the NYTimes! As if the story is about photos of people with their guts pouring out on the ground? Why are their internal organs spilling on the ground?! Did they just have an "accident"? What in the hell do they think the real story is here? The photos?? :shrug:
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/28/international/middlee...

<snip>
WASHINGTON, Sept. 27 - The Army has opened an investigation into whether American troops have sent gruesome photographs of Iraqi war dead to an Internet site where the soldiers were given free access to online pornography, Army officials said Tuesday.

Some photographs on the Internet site show people in American military uniforms standing around what appear to be dead bodies. Other photos include graphic images of severed body parts and what appear to be internal organs spilling from bodies onto the ground.

The images are said to come from Afghanistan as well as Iraq. Their authenticity has not been determined.

Paul Boyce, an Army spokesman, said that if soldiers had posted the images, their actions could violate the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which defines conduct unbecoming an officer or enlisted soldier.

...more
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:45 AM
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1. if you want to know, the website link is here
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:48 AM
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2. Another article about it ...
... is here (kinda slow link):

Porn/War Site Draws Army's Ire
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200...
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:01 AM
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10. Holy shite. That guy lives in my old hometown. nt.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:24 AM
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11. World's Citrus Center, yo.
:bounce:
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:38 PM
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16. PS they have pics of Jenna Bush n/t
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:49 AM
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3. Pssst don't show anyone what war really looks like nt
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:53 AM
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5. Reminds me of MyLai...
Kill 'em all!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:49 AM
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23. Yep
Wouldn't go good for their recruitment. Oh wait. Oops. They're already having trouble. There are pictures all over the internet. So, are they going to close every website that has pictures of war? :eyes:
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ToolTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:50 AM
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4. Time for DOD to be concerned about the crimes they commit
not who exposes their crimes against humanity, I think.
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QuettaKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:53 AM
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7. While we are on this subject
could one of the MODS please explain why my thread on this was deleted 2 days ago? just *poof* GONE!! WHY?
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:16 PM
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21. possibly it had a link to the website itself?
direct links to nudes are apparently out of the question on DU
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 02:39 PM
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32. mine was too, a couple of weeks ago....
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 02:39 PM by mike_c
It lasted literally SECONDS before being deleted. Mine was posted specifically WITHOUT the link to the website.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:53 AM
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6. I found out about this site thru DU a few days ago but didn't know ....



that the guy who ran the website was in my home town till I read the paper this morning.


Link: http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200...


I've seen some of the photos elsewhere, so I'm not so sure of how authentic they are.


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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:58 AM
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8. Check out this Web site
http://www.undermars.com/gallery63.html

Pages 63 through 67 are gross.
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:01 AM
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9. Now THERE'S some hypocrisy
"...their actions could violate the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which defines conduct unbecoming an officer or enlisted soldier."

How about killing the civilians who are in those photos? Does THAT violate the fucking code?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:25 AM
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12. Amen!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:49 AM
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24. Apparently not
Doy. What about Bush's lying about war in his 2003 union speech? Nah?
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:56 PM
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13. I'm not at all for censorship, but this site is disgusting.
I found out about this site several months ago because some of the people in the military are very upset about it and I wanted to see for myself what it was all about. I thought maybe some of these people were just over reacting. Well, I went to the site and my husband is in the Army and I would never want my husband as a member of the military to be associated with such scum. These are pictures from military personnel and I hope they are nailed! I had my husband look at some of these and he feels certain that they are real.

I have never been more reviled in my entire life. Some of the pictures have the most evil comments attached to them. I wish I could remember some of the examples, but I can't. They are similar or worse than the one cited in the article. Then the comments in the thread are just as bad.

There was one thread on there where a guy was begging for some soldiers to post pictures of women who they had raped or any they had watched be raped. He kept talking about how he was up near the Syrian border in Iraq and how easy it is to rape the women in the area. I think he was probably full of shit, but this seemed typical of the trash on this site.

One of the pictures that was posted was of a women who had her leg blown off somehow. She was being treated by medics and whoever was able to take the pictures took a couple of shots further back and then shot pictures of her genitalia while she was being treated on a stretcher. The picture was titled something like, Nice p****, bad stump. Some of the comments in the thread were people trying to guess if she was a US soldier or an Iraqi citizen based on her private parts. Another guy was commenting on how he would still "do her."

This was just the stuff that was shown for free so I can only imagine what was in the member sections.

I'm all for images coming out that tell the true shame and horror of war. I think Americans need to know what they support.

But, there is a big difference in showing the truth and complete exploitation.
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:05 PM
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14. These news just broke in Norway
Top headline on the main 'liberal' news tabloid:

Swapping corpse pictures with porn





(Dagbladet.no):The American arrmy are investigating several cases where soldiers have published pictures of dead Iraqis on a discussion board on the internet.

In return, they've gotten access to porn from the same web site.

(snip)

The pictures shows smiling American soldiers posing with dead bodies and bodyparts.

(Norwegian)
http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2005/09/28/444787.html
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All in all not a very good article for the US reputation here.
This war must be stopped, lest the reputation of the US forces will be destroyed for the foreesable future abroad. Not to mention the Iraqi society...
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:36 PM
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18. Please, please tell people you know in Norway that not all US military
personnel act this way! My husband thinks this is deplorable and has been in for over 19 years. He served in Iraq for over a year.

Unfortuntely, he thinks that he is seeing this type of stuff more and more. I think these people are losing every ounce of their humanity and are becoming monsters.



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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:27 PM
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15. From the wtf department.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:43 PM
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17. Remember...
These soldiers are coming back in to this society. Remember what Bush said Americans are wonderful people of faith they don't do such things this is a Christian nation.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:51 AM
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25. And of course they're not worried about it
*sigh* So Bush cuts spending for vetreans returning home with problems. *sigh* :(
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:00 PM
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19. Just think about how outraged people were when they had the audacity to
show the American POWs on TV back during the initial invasion. There was also complete rage when images were shown of the American contractors who were killed in Fallujah.

All of that is tame compared to this stuff.

The Pentagon is not going to have to worry about the photos from Abu Ghraib coming out when the rest of the world sees this stuff along with the editorial comments for each pic.

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praisethelowered Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:06 PM
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20. The discussion over at that site is interesting
It is eye opening to see what lies the soldiers are buying as justification for what they are doing.

It seems a lot of more sane and aware people have logged on to argue with them about the lies that surround this war.

If you have time I think this is a good place to debunk the myths right at the source. This site is getting a lot of attention and if you are a good debater you may be able to shed some light on the situation for some of these guys who think they are killing "terrorists" over there . . . so they don't come get us back home . . .sigh.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:52 AM
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26. So they should release the photo's
Whatever happened with that anyways?
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 02:01 PM
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30. I should have put a "sarcasm" smilie beside the first line of my post.
I was trying to convey sarcasm about how Americans were all upset about seeing those images but don't seem to care about the pictures of mutilated Iraqis.

Hope it came across that way.
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_TJ_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:46 AM
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22. I posted this story TWICE
and the mods deleted it TWICE. I asked for an explanation. I was
given NONE. What the hell is going on at DU nowadays?

This story is 100% FUCKING TRUE. It's Abu Ghraib all over again.

I can only assume either the mods have their heads up their
goddamn asses or else someone is putting them under pressure to
BURY this story.










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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:25 AM
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27. I would suggest that you edit this post because it is going to get
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 09:26 AM by peacebaby3
this thread locked/deleted. And, I agree that it is important and people should know this is going on. I'm hoping the mods will give you a few minutes to edit and keep this info up.

You should contact the mods privately to ask them this type of question. It is part of the board rules.

I'm not trying to be snotty, I'm just trying to keep this thread up and open.

edit: typo
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_TJ_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:55 AM
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28. I asked for an explanation - like I said, I was IGNORED
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 10:00 AM by _TJ_
To hell with the mods. Something about this whole situation
stinks to high heaven.

Next thing you know my account will be deleted. If it happens
you'll know the reason why!

Edit: No one can hide the truth on this one though, it's appeared
in my local newspaper in IRELAND FFS !!
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 02:46 PM
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34. i had the same experience, and my private email received no reply....
I've witnessed this story pulled from DU several times, including my own thread a couple of weeks ago.
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:25 AM
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29. Scary
No public outrage over this?This story is a tree falling in the forest.
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Seansky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 02:19 PM
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31. terrible
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 02:42 PM
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33. army says "no proof that the photos are being posted by soldiers..."
Sure-- maybe it's really the Iraqis that are trading snuff shots of family members for American porn. Right.

The web site owner claims to have 30,000 accounts from military addresses, and says that "only a few thousand" have uploaded snuff or other pics from Iraq.
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 03:04 PM
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35. I wish they weren't real, but I would bet lots of money on their validity.
The surroundings, equipment, etc. are just too precise. The military "lingo" found in many posts. I don't think anyone could come up with such accurate detail. These are from soldiers on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan. I had my husband look at some as well since he is in the military and served in Iraq and he says they are definitely real.

Unbelievable and really sad.

I think they are trying to keep this quiet. I'm not surprised they would try to deny it, who wouldn't? I hope they are proud of the monster(s) they have created.
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 06:32 PM
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36. I'm kicking this because everyone needs to see it. n/t
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:21 PM
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37. me too....
:kick:
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:49 PM
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38. I'll kick again as well. n/t
:kick:
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