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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:03 PM
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Izzy Asper Dies --- Like I care
Seriously, I am going to come of as really disrespectful here...and I'm sorry to those it offends. But this guy was an SOB. He owned many newspapers in Canada and often stuck his nose in when it came to covering the daily news. Editors have been fired for writing colums that show empathy towards Palestine. He has forbidden certain news events to be covered, and has taken journalism and turned it into one big marketing entity. All the while giving the "You don't like it read something else" line. Fuck him...no I won't show respect for a man who spent his life trying to control my brain. Look at the huge article his family had the paper put in to make him look like a big man.

http://www.canada.com/national/features/asper/index.htm...
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:07 PM
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1. Well you should
Because whether you agreed with him or not is irrelevant.

If you didn't like his newspaper...there are plenty of others to read.

He was a poor boy from a tiny town in Manitoba, born in the dirty thirties, his family fled pogroms in the Ukraine, and he went on to build an empire. Not too shabby.

He became the equal, even the superior, of people born with a silver spoon in their mouths and having all the advantages.

When you manage to do better than that...then you can criticize.

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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:13 PM
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5. Yeah well HItler was born dirt poor too
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:18 PM
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8. Oh well...that's an answer to everything eh?
You didn't have to read his newspaper...free country ya know.

And if you think it's so easy to go from poverty to empire...YOU do it.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:22 PM
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13. Trust me I'm trying!
;-) But I fail to see how going from poor to rich makes you such a great person ...Jim Pattison was born poor and he's the biggest asshole around
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:26 PM
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17. Well see it takes more than mouth
and an 'oh yeah' attitude.

It takes work and sweat and sacrifice.

His family fled a pogrom in the Ukraine...do you know what a pogrom is?

He grew up in the 30's and 40's in Manitoba...do you know what that meant? Do you know how hard that would have been??

Of course he supported Israel...not a crime you know.

I don't agree with their policies...but then I'm not Jewish.

But until you can do better...'no comment' is better than uninformed opinions, no matter how 'hip' and 'rad' you think they are.

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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:30 PM
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19. WHOA MAN DON'T BE SO HARSH DUDE!
I don't talk like that thank you.

ANd I am not a mouth and I don't have an attitude...I have a difference of opinion.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:32 PM
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21. Harsh? This from a guy
who posts a thread to trash someone he never met, and to diss him on the day he died??
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:35 PM
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23. Hey, I became offended by the "Hey Izzy is a good guy" crap I heard all
day... Besides this man never repsected the people's right to properly reported news...if this was england, where there are forty papers to choose from, fine...but it's not and I object to papers that try to meet the North American ideal of an omnicient press on the wrapper only. It makes uus all look foolish
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:37 PM
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28. Oh well stop the presses
YOU got offended!

Why? Jealous?

He earned what he had.

Try doing the same.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:38 PM
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30. Maple...I haven;t said a thing about being bitter about his money
I don't care about that. My problem is his attempted hi-jacking of the news.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:43 PM
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33. Then stop calling him an SOB
He highjacked nothing.

We have lots of media info available in Canada. And several networks.

He was simply ONE of them.

And if it was his paper...it was his paper.

He earned it....he ran it his way.

He didn't ask for your approval.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:49 PM
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36. Gee, the same could be said of lots of tyrants I can think of.
Do I forfeit my right to criticize them until I have accomplishments to equal theirs? Arnold came from a relatively modest background, but look at him now. Do I have your permission to criticize Arnold, or must I outdo him first?
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:08 PM
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2. He was a piece of crap. While in Canada, I saw how his papers ..
molded the news. He was Canada's Rupert Murdoch. Would anyone here shed a tear of Rupert's demise? Izzy was a PNAC style fascist, who used his media empire to try and control Canada. Fortunately, he failed, and now he's gone, but Canada is still there!
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:11 PM
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4. No he was not
Conrad Black is our Rupert Murdoch.

Izzy was a liberal. And a Liberal. Sorry.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:14 PM
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6. A liberal that forbids
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 10:14 PM by HEyHEY
Anyone wright anything pro palestine?
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:16 PM
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No he did not
and he was the leader of the Liberal party of Manitoba at one time.

His sons have run the empire for some years now. Izzy was 71.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:21 PM
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11. Sorry you're right he fired Russel mills for writing an editorial
Demanding Chretien resigns...mixed up there...BUT he DOES not allow any pro palestine articles written.
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Sephirstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:23 PM
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15. Big deal...
You can be a reactionary bigot and still be a Liberal...

Hell, Saskatchewan is FILLED with people I call redneck socialists. (Reactionaries who vote NDP because they like the welfare state.)
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:20 PM
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10. When owners of newspapers put a choke hold on editorials...
they are NOT liberal, imo. I dislike what Asper did re CanWest and found the coverage there to be slanted right.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:22 PM
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14. So don't read them
Simple solution.

It's not like it's the only paper available.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:26 PM
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16. I see, we can't point out a problem, we are supposed to..
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 10:29 PM by Spazito
just "move on"? I don't think so! Any, and I mean any, newpaper or tv news in Canada, even CanWest is heads above any of the mainstream coverage in the US. That does not mean I can't point out what is wrong with it, geesh.

edited: to change it to is in "CanWest is"
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:27 PM
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18. It's not a problem. Read something else.
Everyone in the world isn't required to agree with you ya know.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:32 PM
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20. I think the problem is there ISN'T anything else
Canada doesn't have enough independant media...and no, I don't mean little rags about the latest in communist fashion. I mean good dailes that don't plug the six o clock news hour because it's owned by the same company
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:34 PM
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22. Yeah, there are all kinds of papers here
owned by different groups.

And TV from all over the world.

Radio...internet.

Canada is a very well connected country, and very well informed.

I thot you wanted to be a journalist?

Better start finding out about this stuff.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:36 PM
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26. I know this all...cause I've experienced it first hand
THAT's WHERE MY INSIGHT COMES FROM: YOURS?
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:46 PM
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34. I was in journalism
before you were born.
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Sephirstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:35 PM
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24. lol...You're a spoiled brat...
Even the CBC is far more independent than any of the "private" media companies in the US.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:37 PM
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27. Not 100 per cent
They are the best of state run media...but still manage to slant
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:37 PM
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29. If it had been up to Izzy, I wouldn't have any other choices.....
he did his best to try and destroy CBC and I have no doubt his son will continue on that disgusting track!
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:41 PM
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LOL They can't wipe out
the CBC, nor did they try.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:43 PM
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32. He most certainly did!
He fought to do away with ALL public funding in the media! His target was the CBC and he made that VERY clear.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:48 PM
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35. So do lots of people
The CBC is still around.

Would you work to build a TV network against the competition of state owned one...with deep govt pockets?

Well he did.

So he complained. Big deal.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:08 PM
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3. Off topic: HeyHey, are you aware
that the image in your sig line is casting out info-seeking cookies?

Just wondering.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:16 PM
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7. Didn't know thanks!
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:21 PM
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12. You're quite welcome...sorry to temporarily hijack your thread :-) n/t
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:18 PM
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9. He was brutally honest about the news biz, though. I'll give him that.
When talking to staff he's been quoted as saying "Your job is to sell soap and pantyhose, not make high art."
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:36 PM
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25. Yeah, he had no illusions
He knew that what he was selling would be birdcage liner the next day.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:41 PM
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31. ANyway off to dinner
Fun as Always Maple!
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:50 PM
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37. Ciao babes
.
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