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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:01 PM
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Is the atmosphere of doom based on something other than Drudge?
Or something other than a CNN reporter's slip? Did Californians, who rejected Bush in 2000 and reelected Davis last year, really get energized to recall Davis and vote in Schwarzenegger this year? How will we know until the polls close? Why is everyone predicting doom?
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Sagan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:03 PM
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1. freeper moles and defeatists, is my guess...

so what else is new?
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:04 PM
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2. Makes one wonder, doesn't it? But as long as the moderators are happy,
why worry! :shrug:
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:04 PM
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3. yes
you had video of a gloomy bustamante campaign headquarters, you had mcauliffe practically admit defeat on msnbc...

it doesn't look good, they're preparing for an arnold party and I don't even get a HINT of optimism on our side :(
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:05 PM
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4. IT is disgusting, isn't it...
MSNBC is broadcasting live from Swartz headquarters, and supposedly 83% support recall.

The sources are all Repub oriented. Therefore, no one needs to get their dander up until the polls close and REAL results start coming in.
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:08 PM
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7. Hmmm
"MSNBC is broadcasting live from Swartz headquarters, and supposedly 83% support recall."

I thought MSNBC said that 83% of Californians knew how they would vote in the recall a month or more ago. I don't think they said 83% support the recall.

Imajika
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:19 PM
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12. 83% is f*cking crazy, they're nuts to report that
.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:05 PM
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5. well Burt, the polls have been'unfriendly' untill sunday
they have been telling us that's it's useless to vote, Arnold is way ahead. It's hard to hang onto only one poll of likely voters. the Media coverage of Arnold has been incessant.
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:06 PM
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6. Not just Drudge
Drudge is just reporting what the major networks already think they know. Virtually all the exit polls appear to point to an utter disaster for Davis and a clear victory for Arnold.

Perhaps all the exit polls are wrong, but somehow I doubt it. I think the writing has been on the walls for this election for quite some time.

Imajika
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T Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:12 PM
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8. Who is 'running' the exit polls ?
this election
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:16 PM
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10. A good question
Not sure if it is something along the lines of VNS, or if each network is doing their own polling.

Either way, they all seem to be in some sort of agreement. If you believe the networks, which Drudge appears to be echoing, Davis is finished and Arnold is CA's new Governor.

Personally, I wish the media would let people cast their ballot and shut the hell up about it until the voting is officially over - but I am afraid such an idea will never fly.

Imajika
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:16 PM
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9. The problem is, this election was a referendum on Davis
NOT Arnold. When you have an incumbent with approval ratings in the 20s, that's an unmitigated disaster.
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:17 PM
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11. Yup, agreed.
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FauxNewsBlues Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:25 PM
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13. Kick
Gray Davis was extremely vulnerable last November. If Dick Riordan ran instead of Bill Simon, Davis would have been toast.

This isn't a reforendum on (R) vs (D) but against Gray Davis. The polls are almost closed so I will stop holding my tongue to say that I have never liked Davis. I have disliked him since he ran the sleaze campaign against Dianne Feinstein in the 92 primary. He cynically flip flops on "principle" whenever anybody waives money into his face, and his cynical, cruel rejection of parole for people who deserve it, over the rulings of his own parole board piss me off to no end.

I voted against the recall, and for Bustamonte, but I wasn't enthused. It was a no BFEE vote, not an affirmative vote for Davis.
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:34 PM
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16. You're absolutely right about 2002
Riordan would've won easily.
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fizzana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:01 PM
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18. I agree with you on that.
California should have come up with a better Democrat candidate than Davis a long time ago.

I know at least 6 turncoat Democrats who voted for the Nazi. They all also hate Bush. That tells me this is about Davis and nothing more.

I would have been able to deal with this a lot better if Riordan had run instead of the Nazi. I had no complaints against him as mayor of L.A.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:26 PM
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14. Well
Washington Post has exit poll data. But you really can't tell where things are going from the data.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:28 PM
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15. fools
It is not over yet.

I think people around here are out in record
numbers and not for Arnolf Gropenator.

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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:56 PM
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17. The outcome of this game was set for some time
The motive force was change (that eliminates Davis and Bustamante) without sacrificing the libertarian values that Californians hold dear (that eliminates McClintock and Comejo).

Arnold pulled a con. He lied that he was the outsider, a man of the people. But, behind the lie, he has no vision of California other than a place where business should be allowed to do whatever it wants. An extension and expression of his egomaniacal will to power.

I was born and lived in California most of my life. My family goes back before the Gold Rush. And of all the ugly and greedy and loony changes that have ruined that beautiful state, once such an isolated paradise lost, and the reverence for nature of Ansel Adams or Robinson Jeffers, this election of Arnold Schwarzenegger is really the final ignominy. I don't think anyone can ever really feel part of a place unless they're born there. So I'm again in mourning for my great state on the Pacific, and for what it used to be.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:44 PM
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19. I feel for you Snellius. I'm old enough to remember what CA was once.....
and I know what you mean. Not a Californian...but grew up in a place that has changed so much due to greed and real estate interests..that I can understand what you must feel. And if that pumped up jerk does win..then we are all going to be sorry for it. Even if there was nothing we could do in the rest of the country. Sitting with hands tied like we felt in FLA. Maybe it will turn overnight. Until the last vote is counted, there's some hope.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:48 PM
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20. It all began with that fucking proposition 13
or whatever the hell number it was that broke the back of the state of California.

Goddamn these Californian fascist fruitcakes, ordering the government by plebiscite! Goddamn them!
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