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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:54 PM
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MSNBC Brokaw talking about why arnold won - don't they count votes in CA?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:55 PM
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1. aparently not
and it is not over until it is over
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:09 PM
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23. the networks have the exit polls already
What you don't seem to be taking into account is the networks have the exit poll data thats been collected already. If the numbers given by Drudge are correct, all these anchors have seen them it wouldn't be that out there for one of them to slip up and call him govenor already.
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Bozola Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:55 PM
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2. Counting votes is sooooo last century
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:56 PM
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3. Thats the "Liberal Media" for you
????
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:56 PM
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4. c'mon guys, face reality
the newspeople have the exit poll numbers.....it's over, arnold won.

NOW GIVE HIM HELL!

tomorrow we start back on treasongate, the economy, no WMD, rush pill popping.....

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:00 PM
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11. Bullshit count EVERY vote
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HitmanLV Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:05 PM
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17. they do count the votes
...but when their polling has it 59-41, 51-30, even if they are considerably wrong, odds are the end result is the same.

The polls are seldom 'that' wrong.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:01 PM
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12. Don't forget the recall to recall the recaller.
If indeed he did slither in ...and I'm not saying he did because I Dont' know.

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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:56 PM
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5. no need to count when you have software tallies in hand.....
Think for yourself....why would you risk looking like an idiot ?

Wait for exit polling data.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:57 PM
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6. They dont have to
They got the memo
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:58 PM
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7. I swore I heard them say there were exit polls.
What did those exit polls say? Good gawwwd, they already know he's won it? Wasn't it also said the counting could take a week?
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:05 PM
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19. I haven't heard of ANY exit polls. VNS is no longer in business,
remember?
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HitmanLV Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:06 PM
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21. exit polls and the margin of victory
Looks like margins of 59-41 and 51-30 are wide enough to make calling the race easy. There is almost no chance that absentee ballots would impact the result (though they may impact the margin).
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:10 PM
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24. 2 million absentee votes
.
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HitmanLV Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:23 PM
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31. if the margin is as great as being reported...
The margin of the absentee ballots would have to be amazingly different than the general election to change the result.

It may change the numbers, but likely won't change the result.

Lets let this one go. Can anyone say they are really surprised?
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:59 PM
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8. The media whores and
the GOPenises knew from the git go who would win. To hell with counting the votes....that's not the way America is anymore. The dirty bastards control everything. Maybe if I'm lucky they can control my goddamn bladder next! :grr:
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:00 PM
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9. What are they basing this on?
Are they giving some reason for calling the election before the polls close? Exit polls? Other polls? What are they saying?
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HitmanLV Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:03 PM
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16. the networks usually call it on exit polling
...if the race isn't close enough. In other words, if a race is 50-50 in their exit poll, they won't call it until more votes are officially counted.

If it's 53-47 in their polls, they call it based on that.

When it's 59-41, and 51-30, they have been talking about it since 4pm pacific, amongst themselves of course.
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HitmanLV Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:00 PM
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10. they are lowlifes...
...to talk about it while polls are still open.

They don't base their projections on the votes counted, unless it's too close.

They base projections on exit polling. An exit poll can't possibly be 20 points off.
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:01 PM
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13. according to sludge, arnold is preparing his acceptance speech
hope he gets egged......or stoned.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:02 PM
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15. Well
We will find out in an hour, I guess.
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wbc Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:53 PM
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32. Egged or stoned?
Do you really mean this? Will it be better for the Democrats if losers do this to the winners? Would you want to see somebody hurt Arnold and then proclaim they did it for the greater glory of the Democrats? Would that help?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:02 PM
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14. they don't count votes in Murka anymore
too much bother.

just declare the person with the most money the "winner"
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:05 PM
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18. Exactly what they did in the 2000 (s)election. They supposedly
regretted their "mistake" in jumping the gun. Folks...the roots of corruption in this country run long and deep. It is ENTIRELY up to the people to change course. Quit hanging your hopes on a corrupted system! It is BROKEN! GET IT???!!!
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:18 PM
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28. Yes, I think you're right
I remember them prematurely announcing that Al Gore had taken Florida, then it all went downhill from there.

Quit hanging your hopes on a corrupted system! It is BROKEN! GET IT???!!!

Is it cynical corporate media pigs wrapping themselves in the Bill of Rights as they deliberately influence a real election, or greedy corporate media pigs wrangling for ratings with no regard for how their action might affect the real outcome of an election?

:shrug:
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:06 PM
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20. We have a law in Canada that would not allow what is happening
We have a law here that prevents the networks from making these announcements that the election has been decided until after the polls have closed....I think what is happening down there is disgraceful!
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:20 PM
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29. That sounds like a good law
Since the networks lack the restraint to do the right thing by policing themselves not to make such annonouncements, perhaps their inability to wield their tremendous power fairly and evenly justifies some reasonable limits on the timing of their exercising their freedom of speech.
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:21 PM
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30. It is the same here in Australia.
The networks aren't allowed to call it until the final vote has been counted. They can speculate all they like, but they can't call it.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:08 PM
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22. The Media-Election thing happened again, didn't it?
And there will be more where that came from, next year.

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:11 PM
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25. CNN started coverage at 11:00 am CST. All Arnold all the time.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:13 PM
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26. Where is Gropenator's acceptance speech scheduled?
I REALLY hope there is organized booing, egg-and-rotten-vegetable throwing, etc.

Hey, if I lived in CA I'd be there! With what I'd normally throw out of my fridge.
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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:15 PM
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27. Lets pray for hackers.
Not the puke breed, but patriotic Americans who can give Gary Coleman the election he earned! Or Larry Flynt, my heart is with Larry but since Bev said he may be a party to litigation I changed my position. As the last sober survivor of Different Strokes Gary deserved some recognition.
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