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mpsteve Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:40 PM
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Why Democrats WANT to beat themselves...
I am stunned at the foolishness of DU'ers. The Democrats have a can't-lose nominee in Clark and yet the goofball lefties and their love of high taxes and health insurance for everybody are going to ardently stand by their man, Howard Dean. Or, they are going to get behind John Kerry, who will have one helluva time distinguishing himself from Bush because of his vote on the Iraqi use-of-force resolution last fall. In addition, Kerry will be painted as part of the Teddy Kennedy (GOD bless his soul) Northeastern-liberal crowd. Plus, Mass. is a slam dunk for the Dems!

Question, would the Deanies be happy if their man were to become the next Secretary of HHS? Please tell me YES!
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:43 PM
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1. Too soon
Its WAY too soon to be talking about Clark being a "can't lose" nominee. I'm not saying that I don't like the man, I'm just saying that we know so little at this point...
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:44 PM
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2. If it looks like flame-bait, and quacks like a duck..
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 07:45 PM by Dr Fate
...well, you know the rest.

Looks like you Bashed Clark, Dean, Kerry and even Kennedy in one fail swoop- a bash for almost everyone at DU, eh?
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mpsteve Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:45 PM
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4. Come again???
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:47 PM
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8. Dr Fate..as much as I 'love' you...this poster did not bash Clark
I did not see bashing at all...just a question? Though I disagree, I think Clark also wants health care for all or at least a single payor plan that will take the profit from the insurance companies that do nothing to promote health care and put it into the hands of doctors and hospitals!
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:48 PM
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13. you didn't see bashing?!?!?
O M G :wow:
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:51 PM
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18. Is O M G :wow: somehow supposed to explain EVERYTHING I got wrong?
please...perhaps a few details?
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mpsteve Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:51 PM
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20. Again...Raising Taxes on ALL Americans - a great way to re-elect W
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:51 PM
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21. Oh- so this thread is not designed to pit Clarkies against Deanies?
And Kerry supporters are brought into the mix as well...

Clark WILL get bashed as a result of this flame bait.

Is my prediction as to where this thread is going that far off?

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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:45 PM
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3. Here lies a lurker, he lurked poorly
I'm a Clark guy, but this person is clearly using right-wing spin.
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mpsteve Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:46 PM
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5. I would love to hear this
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:46 PM
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6. You know if Dean is a lefty
I have a bridge to sell you

And are you sure you are a Democrat sicne you hate social services?

That said, did you miss Clark's statements on expanding social
services? I admit, if you have NO CONTACT with the social net in
the armed forces you probably missed what he said.
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mpsteve Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:47 PM
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7. Can you say, "Total repeal of the tax cut?" It's a can't-win position!
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:49 PM
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15. I agree..not 'total'..only that given to the top 1% since their war effort
will only ever be in cash...MAKE them PAY ALSO!
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:55 PM
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24. health insurance for all
no, that would be the other goof ball lefties, our fine
cousins, the Kucinich or Mosley Braun Goof ball lefties,

the Dean goof ball lefties just wanna cover kids & the
working poor.

Please get your goof ball lefties straight, ahm.

:silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: Larry, Curly,
where's Moe?

*I know some of you Clark supporters are new to this democracy thing
but calling others goof ball lefties doesn't help create supporters.
We have something called free will out here in the civilian world,
you might wanna check it out.


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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:48 PM
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9. Ahem
I am a Clark supporter, but I must clarify a few points you made:

I love high taxes...for the wealthy and big corporations that ship jobs overseas, yes I do. No apologies.

I support the radical idea of health care for all, just like every other advanced country in the world.

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LightTheMatch Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:48 PM
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10. Ummm... NO!
Someone who is probably part of the best grassroots campaign in American history, settling for HHS Secretary?

NO WAY, I think not. I'm pretty sure it's Pres, VP, or nothing.
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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:48 PM
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11. ?Could be a lurker...and could be one of the masses
(you know the ones who won't vote in primaries but in the general election) who is trying to tell it "LIKE IT IS".
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:48 PM
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12. Rosenberg: Dean campaign is the best-run campaign weve ever seen.
Dean still on top of money race

WASHINGTON, Oct. 1 In the surreal mind-set of the campaign expectations game, psychology can get twisted at the end of every quarter. Democratic front-runner Howard Deans campaign publicly set $15 million as its goal for fund raising for the third quarter, which ended at midnight Tuesday. According to Deans Web site he raised $14.8 million, with last-minute contributions still being counted.

DEAN HAD dramatically exceeded fund-raising expectations in the second quarter by collecting $7.6 million. Is his $14.7 million a wee bit of a deflating result for the third quarter? Only if you live on the plane of surreal expectations.

EXTRAORDINARY MONEY MACHINE

Deans extraordinary money machine is still far more efficient than anything Missouri Rep. Dick Gephardt, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, or the other Democratic contenders have working for them.

Dean is on course to have enough money to air television ads and hire operatives in states where fund-raising laggards may not be able to during the hustle-bustle of primaries that will take place in February and the first week of March.

We do believe it is an important decision that were going to have to make, because in the end Bush is just raising this money.... Theyre going to raise $200 million and spend it against the Democrats between April and August when we go to the convention.... If we make the decision, it would be to compete with Bush. Weve already proven that we can compete with the other Democrats.

Simon Rosenberg, who heads the centrist New Democrat Network, put the Dean bounty in perspective by noting that in a 10-candidate field the former Vermont governor was able to raise 50 percent more than Bill Clinton raised in the best quarter of his 1996 re-election effort. Rosenberg called Deans feat almost miraculous and added, We have to recognize that the Dean campaign is the best-run campaign weve ever seen.

Taking the party-wide view, Rosenberg pointed to what almost no one else has noticed: Based on the preliminary estimates for the third quarter, the 10-person Democratic field collectively will have outraised the Bush campaign, an indication of how fired up Democratic donors are.

If Bush is this supposed fund-raising king, then this so-called weak Democratic field to use Karl Roves word is outraising him, Rosenberg said.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/974339.asp
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Wesley Clark's campaign manager quits

WASHINGTON -- Wesley Clark's campaign manager quit Tuesday in a dispute over the direction of the Democratic presidential bid, exposing a rift between the former general's Washington-based advisers and his 3-week-old Arkansas campaign team.

Donnie Fowler told associates he was leaving over widespread concerns that supporters who used the Internet to draft Clark into the race are not being taken seriously by top campaign advisers. Fowler also complained that the campaign's message and methods are focused too much on Washington, not key states, said two associates who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Spokesmen for the campaign declined to comment.

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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mpsteve Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:49 PM
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14. Comes down to image. Clark's image will provide Dems with a slam dunk win
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:51 PM
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19. Opinionseveryone's got one. Yours are unsubstantiated though. (n/t)
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 07:51 PM by w4rma
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:50 PM
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16. Another wasted click n/t
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:51 PM
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17. Locking
4. If you wish to start a vanity thread (ie: a discussion thread in which the sole purpose is to share your personal opinion) you must state your opinion in a non-inflammatory manner which respects differences in opinion and facilitates actual discussion.

Please refrain from using inflammatory terms like "goofball liberals" and "Deanies".

Thanks,
Taylor :)
GD Moderator
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:51 PM
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22. You're funny...
you republicans just can't seem to puke out a question without spewing a little of the hate and selfrightious loathing that keeps your black hearts pumping.

How about this--the reason so many democrats choose to back different candidates is because we can think for ourselves and don't think that going against their party on certain issue means *poof* they turn republican all of a sudden.

go to heck...

*chuckle*
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:53 PM
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23. You contradicted yourself in two sentences.
You say Kerry will have trouble distinguishing himself from Bush, then you say he''l have trouble didtinguishing himself from Ted Kennedy and the northeast liberals. I don't think Kerry will have a problem with either.

The Fire Fighters endorsed Kerry because he's one tough as nails liberal under the elegant, moderate language.
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