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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:23 AM
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Boys rip off girls' clothes, take picture on school bus.
Four Central Florida middle school students were arrested Monday for allegedly ripping off the clothes off classmates and then snapping photos with their cell phones, according to a Local 6 News report.

Investigators said the boys, ages 12, 13 and 14 years old, attacked the girls Friday at Tavares Middle School in Lake County, Fla., in the back of a school bus. The boys then allegedly groped the girls and took pictures of them.

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Good grief, how does someone get to the point that he thinks this is acceptable?
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RoBear Donating Member (781 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:25 AM
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1. Well, they'll have good credentials for being governor of CA.
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 08:27 AM by RoBear
But of course the REAL reason is Clinton.

:sarcasm:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:25 AM
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2. This sort of thing is going on a lot in FL
the school buses down here are a horror and there seems to be little the parents can do about it.

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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:27 AM
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7. Here's a dumb idea
Put a chaperone or two on each bus!
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:30 AM
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12. I would go for a police officer on the bus...
and I would have no sympathy for these little cretins when they were sent to lockup for a good long time.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:47 AM
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30. Honestly, I don't think a group of pre-pubescent kids warrants a cop.
If it got REALLY out of hand, like with this particular bus, I'd do it. But a few adults with the power to punish would work just fine.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:01 AM
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39. My question is
why doesn't the bus driver turn the kids in to the principle and tells them what goes on? I remember when I was in high school when I was in, I think, tenth grade we got security cameras on the bus that were silent and would video tape the whole day and you can watch it and everything. The bus driver is the authority figure while you're on the bus. Whenever I have kids and they go to school I expect the driver to watch over my children and make sure they are safe in all areas such as this. Those students should be suspended for the year in my opinion for sexual assault.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:15 AM
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46. Suspended, Hell! They're facing felony charges.
And they should be.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:19 AM
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49. Public school should never again be an option for these boys.
Why should violent sex offenders be allowed anywhere near our children? These boys can get their GEDs in lockup as far as I'm concerned.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:58 AM
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38. The bus drivers refuse to do anything
They've put cameras on the buses and there are lot's of videos of kids getting beaten and worse. However, the police say it's not their jurisdiction and the School Boards are turning a blind eye. This needs to come out in the press because it is happening everyday and it seems there is little the parents can do about it.

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:34 AM
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18. That's because they overload the buses.
There are sometimes three people sitting in one seat. Someone's butt is usually hanging in the aisle. They have fewer stops each year, which makes kids walk further to get the bus, until it becomes obvious that it's easier to find private transportation. That's their real goal. To make it impossible for you, so that you'll seek other solutions.

Anyway, crowded buses generally make it easier to have unruly situations.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:45 AM
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28. My kids have always sat three to a seat.
No one has molested anyone, yet! This goes beyond crowded conditions. This is about the lack of character and control in those boys. The bus driver is a piece of work, too, obviously.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:09 AM
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43. I remember when I was in high school
There was some buses that were very full and the bus I was on from sixth to tenth grade was hardly anybody on there. :shrug:
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:43 AM
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27. Armed Guards Will Work!!!!
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 08:45 AM by Double T
Taser the brats a couple times and I'm sure they'll think twice the next time.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:26 AM
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3. They are very lucky
I'm not the mother of one of those girls. That's all I have to say.

Julie
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:29 AM
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10. Oh, I'm not a violent man, but if those were MY daughters...
If you've seen the movie "Man on Fire", that's a pretty estimate of how I'd be... :nuke:
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Beaver Tail Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:33 AM
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17. Same here
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 08:34 AM by Beaver Tail
I am not violent but if was my kid there would be hell to pay.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:39 AM
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25. ...and those boys are DAMN LUCKY I'm not their mom
If I were the mom of anyone involved, there would be hell to pay.

This is so f*cked up.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:05 AM
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41. Yes, same here.
Everyone's just damn lucky some of us aren't the parents of any of these kids.

WTF??? Screwed up situation.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:26 AM
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4. I wonder if the busses
have video cameras installed?

This is ... well, disturbing. So much for teaching about sexual harrassment, huh? Guess they weren't paying attention.
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wellstone_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:26 AM
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5. arrest them. That will send the needed "message"
If I were the parent of one of the girls I'd pursue criminal charges on everyone of them on every point available in the law. If I was one of the boys' parents I would not defend their actions for one moment.

and, yes, I am the mother of two sons and no daughters so I know what I'm saying.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:16 AM
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47. They're facing felony charges.
As it should be.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:26 AM
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6. GGW

Good grief, how does someone get to the point that he thinks this is acceptable?


Three words: "Girls Gone Wild"

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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:28 AM
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8. Don't kid yourself
This sort of thing has beeen going on looong before GGW. The cell phone cameras are the only innovation.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:29 AM
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11. Uhm, GGW is voluntary.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:31 AM
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14. WTF?
Are you blaming the middle school girls? God dammit. DU has turned into a steaming pile of shit.
:nuke:
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:53 AM
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34. No of course not.

Feel free to disagree with my premise, but don't misconstrue me. It was the boys at fault.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:34 AM
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19. uhm, no.
sorry, 'girls gone wild' may be a piece of crap, but i don't think you can blame forcible disrobing of sober schoolgirls on a video of voluntary flashing of drunk college women.

this makes about as much sense as blaming a real-live rape on a movie where people kiss.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:43 AM
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26. Kind of a leap, don't you think?
Blaming a movie showing adults for pre-teen and early teen behavior? :eyes:
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:08 AM
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42. In reply to all of the above.
GGW is not just "a movie showing adults."

It's "reality TV" of the "man on the street" variety and therein lies the critical difference. Obviously not suitable for children -- but as a whole, we don't do a thorough job in keeping that material away from kids. Hell, we can't even keep a (very fun, I must say) video game where you can beat a cop to death with a double-ended dildo out of their eager hands.

GGW and its ilk conveys the message that sexual behavior in public places and "getting girls to flash" is "cool." The latter could be an influence in this story. We won't know unless one of the kids talks. Though even in that case, I'd be forced wonder if the testimony was coerced. It's just a hypothesis. Let it live or die by the evidence, but do not deny it is a plausible one.

Not that I support censorship, just that I mourn a culture where such a phenominon would be so popular, and where parents in some cases can't and in some cases just plain don't keep a basic leash on what their childrens minds are fed.






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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:13 AM
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45. Whatever I may think of "Girls Gone Wild"...
(and frankly, I've never seen it except for the advertisements on cable), I do not think these little monsters can claim that "GGW made me do it." I'm not a fan of the "reality flashing" genre, but it is not an excuse for sexual assault on a school bus.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:16 AM
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48. Nor is it a defense.

GGW made me do it, GTA3 made me do it, none of it holds as a defense. Kinds are impressionable, but (one would hope) the ground rules for acceptable behavior are clear.

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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:29 AM
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9. I'm surprised the media haven't 'suggested' they were Katrina
transplants yet :eyes:
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:32 AM
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15. Uh, some girls were sexually assaulted on a school bus.
What does that have to do with Katrina?
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:33 AM
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16. Nothing. Which is my point, but it only takes on reporter to
suggest something like that and the rest are on it like hawks until it becomes 'truth'.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:31 AM
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13. "That's what happens when there's no school prayer"
This from a nutjob I used to know. She told me this after some boys in high school sodomized another boy with objects from a locker room in a haizing incident.

The blame starts at the parents, IMO.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:34 AM
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Yes, the blame begins with the parents.
But these buys were plenty old enough to understand the consequences of their actions. I will have no sympathy for them when (if) they spend the next several years locked away to think about how badly they screwed up. Maybe that will set enough of an example that the next little hoodlums will think again before committing sexual assault.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:35 AM
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22. No, that's what happens when you live in a Republican county that
keeps cutting back. Not enough buses means crowded buses, and not enough money means no money for bus monitors.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:34 AM
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20. Boys 12, 13 and 14 walking around with cell phones and ones that...
take photos no less. Ripping off girls clothing on a school bus is almost unimaginable. Where is this all leading for our society. If they were my girls this happened to I would be making sure the boys were prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:54 AM
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36. Prosecuted? If that were my daughter those little fuckers wouldn't...
..be worried about the law and more worried about how long it will take them to re-learn how to walk and eat solid food again... :nuke:
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sando Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:35 AM
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21. I wonder
If these boys were from some of those really good neocon christian families in Florida. You know that kind that boycotted Disney for having one day out of the year for gay families.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:37 AM
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23. Get Lawyers, Sue the Shit out of the County
Maybe getting hit in the pocketbook will goad the School District into protecting its Charges......
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:39 AM
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24. Yes, and I would also sue these boys' parents.
It would send a message to other parents that this is not okay and that "boys will be boys" is an expensive philosophy.
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CitrusLib Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:46 AM
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29. Why no mention of the bus driver???
The attacks continued after they got off the bus? What the fuck was the bus driver doing when the kids got off????? There is a part of this story that is currently disturbingly absent.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:50 AM
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31. I wondered that, too
The story talked about surveillance cameras. I guess the bus driver abdicated responsibility to the cameras.

I'm kind of surprised the article shows the mug shots of the four boys considering they're 12-14 years old. Not that I don't think they deserve to have their faces shown, but they wouldn't normally do that here in Texas. Does Florida routinely publish the faces of minors accused of crimes? :shrug:
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:53 AM
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35. I think that juveniles charged with certain felonies
can have their faces shown. In this case, I think it's a good idea so that people in the community will know who these sexual predators are when they see them.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:51 AM
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32. I wondered about that too.
Isn't the bus driver supposed to be responsible for the safety of the students on the bus?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:52 AM
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33. Disgusting!
Ugh! I thought kids weren't allowed to have phone's at school anyways?
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:57 AM
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37. Depends on the school. Some can have them, but not turned on.
They can use them after school (to call parents about rides homes, school events, etc.).
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:03 AM
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40. Next time some freeper tells you about blowjobs on buses in blue states...
...you can tell them what happens on school buses in Floriduh.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:10 AM
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44. Say, didn't Janet Jackson simulate this act at an NFL football game?
Performing together in a routine that had included a number of bump-and-grind moves, Timberlake reached across Jackson, flicking off the molded right cup of the bustier, leaving her breast bare except for a starburst-shaped decoration held in place by a nipple piercing.

Timberlake issued his own apology. "I am sorry if anyone was offended by the wardrobe malfunction during the halftime performance at the Super Bowl," he said. "It was not intentional and is regrettable."


http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/02/02/superbowl.jackson /

Oh, yeah, I forgot: That was a "wardrobe malfunction!"

Now enlighten me, does "art" imitate "life," or is it the other way around? :shrug:
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Iktomiwicasa Donating Member (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:16 AM
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50. It's your society
folks. Look at how people teach their children nowadays. Look at what they watch on television. Notice how folks tell each other to follow their "feelings", instead of following a path that is right and true. Your culture is sick, and it is doomed.

Glad it isn't my culture.
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dog_lovin_dem Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 11:06 AM
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51. It isn't just nowadays and
it isn't just school buses this has happened on. The same thing happened to me when I was 13 years old (I'm 46 now)...behind a country church. No pictures, but PLENTY of witnesses. Also, no punishment for the molesters, just a ruined reputation for the molested. I'm tempted to send this article to each of them, as well as the parents who are still living.

Those poor girls. I hope they receive the counseling I'm CERTAIN they will need.

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