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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:30 PM
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Why the recall is a lose-lose
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 02:31 PM by WindRavenX
Everyone is going to be bitter about this recall election no matter what; but now that the recall procedures are well known and shown to be easy to initiate by collecting only 12% of the population's signatures, the whole damn thing can start over.
Which leads me to ask, when are we just going to fing accept the election results?
Davis should've never been recalled in the first place- it's setting off some very dangerous precedents that I fear will destabilize everyone's acceptance of election results to the point where everything is going to be controlled by the party that has the most money and time to unsurp canidates that aren't well liked, or are governors of battle states.
This is very unsettling to me.
So what do we do about this? Change the law to up the required signatures is a good step, IMO, so recalling eleced officials is VERY tough and will only be carried through for real reasons and not merely partisan politics- this goes for Republicans (who are more guilty now, but I fear the Dems could start playing this game) and as well for the Democrats.
on edit: by accepting election results, I mean those that are shown to not be influenced by trickery (aka, those resembling 2000)
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:38 PM
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1. The original reason behind the 100 year old recall law
Whatever the outcome, Gill said, "I think no good comes from this. It's expensive, it sets a bad precedent for governing, and it makes it hard for a governor to make difficult decisions.

"And that's not what the Progressive-era recall law was meant for," he said. "It was meant to give control to the people over the political clout of the railroads. At the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th, railroads had a high level of influence over California politics, and the law was written to diminish their corrupting influence."

Hedge said that in these "volatile times," anything could happen today in California. But whoever wins, the drama interrupted by recall will resume. "They may have a different governor," Hedge said, "but governing in California will not change that much."

http://gainesvillesun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20...
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:40 PM
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2. exactly
These laws need to be changed.
Having a new governor is not going to lift CA up to the promised land...it just isn't.
But it might hurt CA.
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RoonShark Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:48 PM
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3. Aftermath of the Recall
The aftermath of the recall will have a big impact on recalling governors in the future. If by some chance it turns out well for California voters, there will be other recalls. But if it turns out badly ... which is far more likely ... then it's going to be difficult to implement other recalls.

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NoKingGeorge Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:58 PM
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6. 12% of a lot will be needed.
The last election had a low turnout(someone posted this earlier) so getting 12% to sign was easier. This turnout may be larger so getting 12% with good signatures will be harder.

This may be a win win. California is electing a rino When he follows his economic advisor, Buffet who already said they need to raise taxes, the people will be pissed at this rino in 2004 and this may taint any other repubs chances.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 03:04 PM
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8. Republicans are better fighters than the current batch of Dems
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 03:05 PM by Democat
They will sue over every signature and every technicality, like the Democratic Party should have done!
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TexasPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:53 PM
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4. this begs the question
and i'm sure it's been discussed at some point and I missed it but...
assuming T-101 wins
and we get someone like Willie to drive a recall
and they get enough signatures in, say, a month
and Riordan gets on the ballot for the pubs

when might the election take place?
and if that's next nov, how would it affect Cali in the presidential race?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:55 PM
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5. If it were to occur in short order, it would be on the March ballot
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 03:00 PM
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7. If the Gropenator gets in count on a Recall Redux soon.
Riordan will be forced to support Aunald.

Best thing would to outlaw paid signature gatherers from out of state. That part of the law sucks.



http://www.no-recall.com

For pics of the LA protest against bush go here
http://www.darrias.com/politics/Protest6-27.html
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