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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:47 AM
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Just bought the new Michael Moore book... and I met a Republican...
..he was in line in front of me buying one of the Wesley Clark books.

I struck up a conversation by asking if he liked Clark.

He said I've been a republican all my live and my wife is a lifelong democrat. We both believe General Clark is our best hope in getting that asshole out of office.

He told me he was 80 years old and he stood there and ranted about Bush LOUD for several minutes, garnering dirty looks from all around.

Come to find out he is an author and working on a book about what he calls the Iraq debacle.
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:49 AM
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1. Heh heh nice! :)
I love grumpy old men when I agree with them. :)
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:49 AM
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2. dirty looks?

where I live people would be chiming in
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:50 AM
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3. North Atlanta...
...aka freeperville.
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:51 AM
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4. my condolences
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:11 PM
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5. I'm laughing hysterically on page 1 of the intro... (possible spoiler)
Man have I had burritos like that before!
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:21 PM
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6. My Dad is 83 and lives in WV, one of the many states that went for...
...the Bushies in 2000. He says that two years ago he could go into the local post office or grocery store and say something negative about Bush and he would get dirty looks from all directions. Now, he says he's lucky if he gets in the first negative shot.

Not bad for a guy that fought in WWII and voted for the GOP in every election until 2000.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:49 PM
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12. BLESS HIS HEART
YOUR DAD KNOWS THE SCORE.
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:30 PM
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7. THat's funny.... I was at a book store buying Conason's new book
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 12:34 PM by TLM

about how right wingers will say anything to get in power, even that they are moderates when they are far right thugs, and getting a bartcop sticker pic with him... heh.

And I asked some hardcore liberals there what they thought of Clark... and this is when I was still kind of excited about him. They told me to go google "perfumed prince" and read what I found.

I think Clark will appeal to republicans... after all, he is one. However he might see the base of the party fall right out from under him and you can be sure the greens won't be voting for him.

That's just what we need right now, a nice wedge down the middle of the left to break the party once and for all... amazing that this would happen just as Dean is bringing the party togehter like never before.




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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:36 PM
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8. Even funnier is that the guy who coined "perfumed prince" with regard...
...to Clark has admitted that he was wrong about that statement after doing more research and actually meeting Clark. Amazing how them right wing talking points seem to take on a life of their own even when they are not accurate.

Don

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:43 PM
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10. What is further amazing is how "hardcore liberals" are falling for...
...and passing on the rightwing talking points.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:50 PM
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13. I find that very, very disturbing
yet I see examples of it in the DU all the time.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:48 PM
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11. Col. David H. Hackworth

Hey, I am one of those: I took a swing at Clark during the Kosovo campaign when I thought he screwed up the operation, and I called him a Perfumed Prince. Only years later did I discover from his book and other research that I was wrong the blame should have been worn by British timidity and William Cohen, U.S. SecDef at the time.

http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=...
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Raenelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:42 PM
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9. I have a Repuklicon friend who FINALLY understands that
Chimpy is an "idiot." He says, now, that it is a shameful time to be a Republican.

Luckily, I didn't talk to him. My much more diplomatic husband did. He just encouraged the direction the guy was moving in. If it had been me, I'd have been yelling "No shit, Sherlock. I told you so. I told you months ago you were making the mistake of believing Bush . . . and on and on." As I say, luckily I didn't talk to him.

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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:54 PM
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15. ha ha I know what you mean

you wonder what these people were thinking, geez!
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:51 PM
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14. My dad is soooooo conservative
he makes Rush look liberal...

that being said - spoke to my dad a few days ago, usually we just chit chat about nothing

he brought up the subject of Clark - said if Clark gets the nomination he'll vote for him, otherwise he's going to abstain from voting for a president

His main reason is not the economy, but the mess in Iraq. He supported going into Iraq and kicking saddam out, but feels that Bush is not up to the task of "finishing" the job...

(here's the kicker and I quote) "...he's no better than his father in getting things done, walks away when the job is half-done...."
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Grins Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:55 PM
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16. You GOT IT!!!
This one line of yours caught my attention: "...but (your dad) feels that Bush is not up to the task of "finishing" the job...".

So, I went into my personal "archives" and found that your dad (and I) are not alone in that thought. I found these:

(Jim Hoagland, Washington Post, 8/25/02)
Why this rush to prejudge a case (to go to war in Iraq) not yet made for a decision not yet made? Let me decode a central fear of some critics: They do not think that George W. Bush and his divided administration are capable of implementing an orderly and successful military campaign in Iraq without inflicting major casualties and national damage on the United States. They don't think this president and all his squabbling men are up to the job the steady drumroll of opinion pieces by former national security advisers and CIA chiefs suggest that some of them share the open skepticism of many of my journalistic colleagues over Bush's intellectual and leadership abilities.

How else to explain the judicious Scowcroft Does) Scowcroft really look at George W. and see the president, rather than the son of the president?


How's that for prophecy? Here's one more:

(PAUL KRUGMAN NY Times, March 14, 2003)
"Over the past few weeks there has been an epidemic of epiphanies. There's a long list of pundits who previously supported Bush's policy on Iraq but have publicly changed their minds. None of them quarrel with the goal; who wouldn't want to see Saddam Hussein overthrown? But they are finally realizing that Mr. Bush is the wrong man to do the job. And more people than you would think - including a fair number of people in the Treasury Department, the State Department and, yes, the Pentagon - don't just question the competence of Mr. Bush and his inner circle; they believe that America's leadership has lost touch with reality.






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RandomUser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:15 PM
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17. Thanks for sharing
The tide is turning! I can feel it. Bush is toast. :)
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