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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:16 AM
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Nixon in Dallas on the day JFK was killed? Yes.
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 12:18 AM by shance
Nixon's Three Stories of Where He Was on November 22, 1963

In the first place, strange things which could scarcely all be coincidence happened even before JFK was killed. On the morning of November 22, 1963, the day Kennedy was killed the New York Times carried an item on a back page, It was datelined Dallas. And it said that ex-Vice-President Richard M. Nixon had made a speech in Dallas before a group of businessmen,

Not only did the Times carry that story on the very day JFK died, but Nixon was in Dallas the day Kennedy died, and it is very possible that he was still in Dallas at the moment Kennedy died. Despite all other reports to the contrary. And of course the thing that makes this so very important is that Nixon and others have for some reason tried to conceal that fact for more than twelve years.

By itself, this would not be important. Being in Dallas on November 22nd. 1963 does not make just anyone. for example, Nixon, a murderer; but the record of Nixon's visit to Dallas has been deliberately obscured. Let's pick three "official" versions of Nixon's actions that day and see how they compare and then what the differences may signify.

Story One

Not long after Kennedy was shot, Nixon wrote an unusually long article for the Reader's Digest. It appeared in the November 1964 issue under the strange title, "Cuba, Castro, and John F Kennedy." Prepared as it was by Nixon or for his signature and prepared for the massive worldwide audience of the August Reader's Digest, we are asked to believe that this is the factual account of what took place. Nixon says

"I urged, in a statement to the press < Dallas on November 21 that the President and the vice-president be shown the respect to which their office entitled them." [br />
Nixon added,

"I boarded a plane in Dallas on the morning of November 22 to New York. We arrived on schedule at 12:56. I hailed a cab. We were waiting for a light to change when a man ran over from the street corner and said that the President had just been shot in Dallas. This is the way that I learned the news."

Story Two

Now let's look at another Nixon account of the same day The November 1973 issue of Esquire magazine carried the following Nixon quote;

"I attended the Pepsi Cola convention < in Dallas >and left on Friday morning. November 22, from Love Field. Dallas, on a flight back to New York , . . on arrival in New York we caught a cab and headed for the city the cabbie missed a turn somewhere and we were off the highway . . . a woman came out of her house screaming and crying. I rolled down the cab window to ask what the matter was and when she saw my face she turned even paler. She told me that John Kennedy had just been shot in Dallas,"

Story Three

Now let's look at the "official" account from "The Day Kennedy was Shot, by Jim Bishop:"

"At Idlewild Airport now JFK Airport) in New York , reporters and photographers had been waiting for the American Airlines plane among (the passengers) was Nixon. As he got off the plane he thought that he would give 'the boys' basically the same interview he had granted in Dallas . Nixon posed for a few pictures . . . got into a taxi-cab was barely out of the airport when one of the reporters got the message: The President has been shot in Dallas."

Comparison

Now let's compare these. Nixon was in Dallas on November 22. The versions agree that he took some plane out in the morning Bishop says it was American Airlines and that it went into Idlewild. Nixon says that it landed precisely at 12:56 nearly one half-hour after Kennedy had been shot. Certainly the crew would have heard over their radio that the president had been shot and would have told their passengers. Then Bishop says reporters and photographers were there. Certainly they too would have known about Kennedy's murder by then. Everyone else in the world did. Bishop says the photographers took pictures. Where are they?

Nixon says he traveled to New York from Dallas with a friend. Who? And what is his story?

Nixon says he got in a cab, presumably well after 12:56. What cabbie in New York City would have not known the news by then? And then Nixon tells a strange story. The first time a man ran out to the cab with the news, and the second time the cab was "lost" and a woman ran out screaming and crying the news. These different accounts do not hold water.

With all of this very contrived series of accounts it looks as though someone has been fabricating a cover-up of Nixon's actions that day. Why?

The True Story

Actually, Nixon was in Dallas when JFK was shot. On April 2nd 1975 a young man was listening to a talk at his school when he heard the lecturer tell about the Esquire account of Nixon's trip to Dallas, and how and when Nixon had learned about JFK's death. That young man then told the lecturer, "My father was an executive for the Pepsi Cola Company, and he was in Dallas on November 22nd 1963 at that convention. He has told me that Nixon was there in Dallas at the convention when the announcement was heard that JFK had been killed, Nixon left later that afternoon,"

This young man is the son of Mr. Harvey Russel of the Pepsi Cola Company. When Mr. Russel was informed of his son's account, he agreed that his son's story was true. Mr. Russel confirmed that Nixon was attending that meeting at the time the shots were fired. He added Nixon was there representing the Pepsi Cola Company's law firm Mudge, Rose, Nixon et al. The Dallas newspapers stated that Nixon was attending a board meeting.

Mr. Russel confirmed that the session Nixon was attending broke up when the assassination news came through. Nixon then returned to his hotel and later in the afternoon had been driven to the Dallas airport by a Mr. Deluca, also a Pepsi Cola official.

These surprising series of events and the manner in which they unfolded after all these years underscore that there was something unusual about Nixon's visit to Dallas. Telephone calls to Deluca and again to Russel did little more than highlight their growing concern over the inadvertent disclosure of this story.

http://www.prouty.org /




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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:26 AM
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1. And Pappy Bu$h was there too
only he can't remember where he was the day Kennedy was killed.
INTERESTING!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:53 AM
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14. He's the ONLY living person who doesn't remember where he was that day.
I was 8 years old and remember THAT day like it was yesterday.
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:27 AM
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2. Look who else was there
He says he doesn't remember where he was...everyone remembers where they were that day.

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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:30 AM
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3. wasn't he head of the CIA then? n/t
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:33 AM
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5. Not 'til the 70s
when Ford appointed him.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:30 AM
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4. Can't Tell - Is This Really Pappy Bush? .......n/t
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:52 AM
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13. It's definitley him, check it out
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:48 AM
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43. wait a minute. that looks like Prescott Bush, GHWB's father.
that doesn't look like george herbert walker bush to me...
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:33 AM
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6. You know, I would have to say I cannot confirm if that would be Bush Sr
or not.

However, what is very interesting is the fact Mr. Bush seems to be the one person who cannot seem to recall where he was on one of the most significant days in American history.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:35 AM
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7. Why, if true, would two ex-Presidents be in Dallas the same day JFK
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 12:36 AM by shance
is killed?

Why has there not been more interest in this?

To me it warrants at the least, some curiosity.

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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:43 AM
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8. Did Tricky Dick and the Monkey's Paw leverage their way into the White
House because of something they knew from that day in Dallas? That's what I would like to know.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:20 AM
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20. Now there's something I'd never thought about.
I have to say, not much is surprising me these days.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:56 AM
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18. And after Kennedy, Brown & Root's man, Johnson
became president and hired Brown & Root (which later merged with Halliburton and which had practically sponsored Johnson's political career) to build the military infrastructure in Viet Nam as well as construction of NASA in Houston near Rice University. Dan Briody, The Halliburton Agenda, pages 49-169 (Viet Nam and NASA, page 168).

Briody does not suggest that Nixon had as direct a relationship with Nixon as did Johnson. But, it is clear from Briody's book that, Brown & Root managed to get very close to the presidency. When Nixon's Vice President, Agnew "resigned," Nixon appointed John Connally, also a Brown & Root protege, to succeed him as Vice President. See Briody, pages 171-172.

Coincidences, I guess.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:54 AM
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29. Ford was Nixon's Second VP
Not John Connally. John Connally was a democrat. John Connally was in the same car as Kennedy when he was shot. Both Connally and his wife claimed to have heard a third bullet.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:21 AM
Response to Reply #29
35. Sorry! You are right!
Connally became a Republican and then sat on Brown & Root's board of directors. Now those are the facts.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:22 AM
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36. So how in the world did people believe that pathetic "magic bullet" theory
by none other than Arlen Spector.

Mr. Spector made up a most pathetic lie to explain how President Kennedy was murdered, mind you that any three year old could convincingly deconstruct.

I cannot believe a person would use such a monumentally and emotionally devastating situation to concoct a lie of that magnitude in order to advance his own career and moreover, and that he is still sitting in a Senate seat.

its mind boggling and heart breaking when I think of what Kennedy did and was trying to do.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:29 AM
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38. I have no answer for that.
I was three when Kennedy was shot. My father owned a copy of the Warren report. I read it and the magic bullet bit read like bullshit.

Look, I'm not saying Connally or LBJ were angels. I'm not saying anything at all except that Ford was Nixon's second VP and that John Connally wasn't. He was on the list for VP and he switched parties later.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:33 AM
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40. It's interesting. I hadn't quite made it to planet earth yet
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 02:33 AM by shance
so I wasn't 'present' at the time, but there are things I would like to understand a little better.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:39 AM
Response to Reply #7
26. 2 ex REPUBLICAN Presidents. Important point.
:hi:
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:49 AM
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27. That picture of that precious dog makes me smile everytime I see it.
Cute.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #27
28. Thank you.
She's my sweetheart. :loveya:
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:00 AM
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30. LOL!*** I can see why.
Look at that precious face!

Im a dog lover too. I have two golden retrievers.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:12 AM
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33. Golden Retrievers are such sweet dogs. My husband use to have one.
He was so sweet and gentle. And so SMART! I've never met a 'mean' Golden Retriever. Ever. Such a great breed. :loveya:
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:30 AM
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39. Ive grown up around retrievers. They are very good natured and very
much in need of love and approval and they'll gladly accept biscuits*.

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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 11:00 AM
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47. neither one was president yet==and LBJ was there, too!
even though it was unusual protocol to have both POTUS and VPOTUS in the same location while traveling, I would think.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:53 AM
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15. It's definitley him
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 12:55 AM by FreedomAngel82
Look at the hair and how he's slumped over. He's still that way today. Even my mother remembers where she was when Kennedy was killed and she was a little girl then. So how can a guy his age not remember where he was? I call bullshit.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:51 AM
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11. Here's a blow up of the person in question:


I can't say that it definitely is * senior but there is a resemblance.

But the bad thing is, when blown up like this, it begins to look like the original photo may have been faked. or something. Notice the area directly to the left of the head/face. Something about it isn't right. and the hat on the person to the left--note how clean the edge is, as if not out of focus. I'm not into making much out of these low res images with all their jpg artifacts -- truly a waste of time -- but just thought this was interesting. I do believe the Bush family are a criminal syndicate so placing senior at the scene of JFK's assassination seems about right. This photo, however, isn't very convincing evidence.
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pox americana Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:29 AM
Response to Reply #11
22. The brick pattern may be throwing you.
But notice that they're all like that (the lower right corner of the cut-out pattern is filled in).

Don't know if it's Pappy, but the photo looks okay. Just my $.02!
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #11
24. Now that's interesting. Have to say, there's a resemblance.
Also its interesting about the photoshopping. I guess these days its hard to tell whats 'live or memorex'.

Thanks for the enlarged shot.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:42 AM
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42. delete, I misunderstood which Bush you were talking about nt
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 02:46 AM by mirandapriestly
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:52 AM
Response to Reply #2
44. Prescott Bush was born in 1895
He would have been 68 years old in 1963. There's no way that man in your photo is 68.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 10:39 AM
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45. I think they are wondering if it's George Bush Sr. in the photo
n/t
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:47 AM
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9. I've always believed he was there along with Pappy
When Nixon was first asked where he was he claimed not to remember and then made up some BS story that failed. Poppy has never made any sort of claim as to where he was. Don't forget he sent a memo that warned Kennedy. How did he know? Also, he is in that photo of the cops at the station. I definitley know it's him from comparing and contrasting other photo's of him at that time. Bush had an oil company at the time called Zarpata in Texas and Nixon made reference a few times to something called Operation Zarpata. Why else would Nixon be so paranoid over Kennedy?
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:49 AM
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10. Nixon and W: both pathalogical liars
They feel totally at ease making things up as they go along. Witness the stories above told by Nixon, and Bush's story about watching the plane fly into the North Tower and saying "that's one bad pilot" before we all knew it was an attack. (the footage of that wasn't shown until later, not live).
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:56 AM
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17. I remember that
I was like "wha?" That right there is when I knew.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:52 AM
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12. Daddy Bush too. It was just a coincidence.
:sarcasm:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:54 AM
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16. Check out this page!
I haven't read through everything but it's worth looking at.

http://www.ciajfk.com/home4.html
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yorgatron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:09 AM
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19. I'm surprised they didn't try to Kill Bill
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:22 AM
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21. One could say they have done their abuse and damage in other ways.
I would say that.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:35 AM
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25. Except--didn't they?
I think about Jesse Helms' evil comments sometimes, and find it shocking that Clinton was not, in fact, actually "taken out." I've read that there were many, many threats against him, even if they aren't generally known about, even today.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:02 AM
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31. Whose hand is Bill shaking there? JFK's?
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:13 AM
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34. Yes. n/t
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:31 AM
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23. Colonel Prouty comes across as a very impressive man to me.
As does Jim Garrison, after listening to some of his interviews. I think after listening to them both, its pretty hard if not impossible not to find them convincing and not to mention brave, patriotic citizens.

I recommend going to the Prouty website.

I believe its prouty.org.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #23
48. And Prouty
makes clear that Nixon played no role in the murder of JFK.
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nvliberal Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:03 AM
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32. It only goes to show
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 02:04 AM by nvliberal
people can make up all kinds of crap about dead public figures and know they can never be sued.

The most politically incorrect explanation of who killed Kennedy, which is Oswald acting alone, is the only correct explanation.

People ought to be ashamed of themselves for believing conspiracy crap.
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yorgatron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:23 AM
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37. it isn't "politically incorrect" to believe the lone gunman theory
just wildly improbable.
i haven't believed it since the age of 15.
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:38 AM
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41. No. People ought to be ashamed when they uncritically believe
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 02:38 AM by neweurope
everything their government tells them, or even half of it...

Believing "conspiracy crap" isn't half as bad. Ever hear of "Operation Gladio" and the Bologna train massacre? Who in his right mind would EVER believe their government again after that?!

-----------------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 10:52 AM
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46. Being there
certainly should not be mistaken for indicating that he was in any way involved. Quite the opposite: unless one thinks Nixon was one of the gunmen, if he were somehow involved, Nixon was surely smart enough not to be there.

Did Nixon lie about being in Dallas? Yes. He was a pathological liar. There were very few things Richard Nixon did not lie about. Perhaps future historians will one day document some issue he was totally honest about. But no one has yet.

Nixon, like LBJ, was an intelligent man. He certainly was able to figure out who killed JFK. And he wasn't going to cross them in the manner Kennedy did. But he absolutely did not play a role in the plot to kill Kennedy.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 11:26 AM
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49. Did you read the post H2O? Im not insinuating, .
Im stating what appear to be facts as to Nixon being in Dallas that day along with three varying accounts/stories from Nixon explaining why he was there.

He was in Dallas for a Pepsi convention, or so the story goes. I am curious as to why he would be there, and then make up three different stories about it. People most often are not "pathological" for the fun of it, they most often are attempting to divert or hide something .

When someone lies it is true they could be more concerned that people may conclude something that is false but could be implied. It could logical that Nixon didn't want anyone to draw such a conclusion that he was somehow connected. Nevertheless, it is quite apparent he was there that day. And it is quite apparent he had three differing accounts that create more doubt around Nixon. To try and dismiss with a pathological liar excuse ignores the valid reasoning or invalid reasoning as to why he would indeed be lying about his whereabouts.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:36 PM
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51. Pathological
means Nixon lied when he didn't need to, and lied when he was harmed by his lies. Lying was as much a part of his nature as breathing. Nixon was not, however, dumb. Thus, within an hour of the killing, he was certain to have had a very clear idea who had been behind the killing. Lying would be his natural reaction, regardless of the fact that he had nothing to do with the killing. His lying was without question to try to distance himself from the event.

People are not pathological for the fun of it. They are pathological, because it is their nature. It is no more their choice than is their heighth. It is simply their nature.

Nixons lying about Dallas is not particularly different than his lying about things from his early adulthood, through his early political life, to being VP, then marginalized by the 1960 election, or at any time during his presidency, or his final years. He lied about everything. Everything. In a strange way, it makes him a fascinating character study. The Dallas event only sticks out because it involved the public murder of the president. But Nixon did nothing different than at any time in his adult life.

As Prouty noted, "...Richard Nixon was in Dallas during those fateful moments, attending a meeting with executives of the Pepsi-Cola Company. According to the general counsel of that company, Nixon and others in the room knelt in a brief prayer when they heard of Kennedy's death. Despite this, there were many stories in which Nixon denied he was in Dallas at the time of the assassination. Why did Nixon tell so many different, false stories about his whereabouts at that time -- all placing him outside of Dallas?

"Although Nixon may not have heard those guns of Dallas, there can be no question that they were never far from his mind, especially during the hectic years of his own presidency. Some people say Nixon became paranoid. That would be understandable." (JFK; page 310)

There is no evidence -- zero -- that he played any role in JFK's death. I think what you are doing is the very definition of insinuating, which would be fine if there was any evidence that he did anything out of character, or if there was any evidence to connect him to the murder. But there's not. Why are his lies about this any different than the multitude of lies he told?
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:09 PM
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55. To quote notations from Prouty, how am I insinuating Nixon was involved?
I guess we have a double standard here.

I posted something that I had never known previously.

That Nixon was in Dallas during the assasination of JFK.

I think that is interesting information to say the least. Apparently from other posts, others feel similarly. In addition I would say most Americans don't know this information. I think it warrants discussion. Apparently, Colonel Prouty did feel it was interesting as well. In other words, its okay for him to state it and not okay by you to post it for discussion? Why?

Again, in case you didnt understand, I am questioning the suppression and the silence of this knowledge. Im am not drawing any conclusions. However it appears you have drawn your own conclusion, which is incorrect and off base to say the least when it comes to my intent of this post.

By all means, show me where Ive accused Nixon of being involved in this thread?

Perhaps you are 'insinuating' we, including Colonel Prouty should leave this fact about Nixon out of any conversation and/or curiosity and dismiss this post altogether? If so, you are free to do so.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:13 PM
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57. I think anyone
who knows about the presidency in the 1960s knows that Nixon was in Dallas. It is hardly a secret.

I would hesitate to include Prouty and you in the same sentence on this issue.

If you are not insinuating (which is neither good nor bad), why are you pointing to one of Nixon's lies, as opposed to the thousands he told? Do you think he was involved in JFK's death?
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d-artignan Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 11:49 AM
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50. What Nixon did on November 21 is even stranger...
Madeleine Brown later gave an interview on the television show, A Current Affair where she claimed that on the 21st November, 1963, she was at the home of Clint Murchison. Others at the meeting included Haroldson L. Hunt, J. Edgar Hoover, Clyde Tolson, John J. McCloy and Richard Nixon. At the end of the evening Lyndon B. Johnson arrived.

Brown said in this interview: "Tension filled the room upon his arrival. The group immediately went behind closed doors. A short time later Lyndon, anxious and red- faced, reappeared. I knew how secretly Lyndon operated. Therefore I said nothing... not even that I was happy to see him. Squeezing my hand so hard, it felt crushed from the pressure, he spoke with a grating whisper, a quiet growl, into my ear, not a love message, but one I'll always remember: "After tomorrow those goddamn Kennedys will never embarrass me again - that's no threat - that's a promise."

MORE...

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhuntHL.htm

So Richard Nixon, J. Edgar Hoover, John J. McCloy and Lyndon B. Johnson had a little meeting the day before John F. Kennedy was shot.

Or is LBJ an innocent bystander as well in your opinion? Do you prefer the Oswald theory?


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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. One would need
to suspend critical thinking to invest in the fantasy that these fellows would be stupid enough to gather together with each other, much less this lady, the evening before the murder of the president. Her claim belongs in comic books. It should not be considered as anything worthy of being taken seriously.
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d-artignan Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:49 PM
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53. Very good reply. Just ridicule it
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 12:51 PM by d-artignan
Let's see. Lyndon Johnson did not have a meeting the day before. He did not have a fight with John F. Kennedy the night before the ride about the seating arrangements. He did not have a meeting with the Secret Service before the ride about changing the route. The bodyguards were not called away to be with Lyndon instead of John F. Kennedy and he didn't duck, but he tied his shoe lashes just before the shooting. He did not wink before being sworn in.

It's all a coincidence and comic book stuff. Actually that comic holds the story in one page. It's brilliant, but I guess you prefer the Lee Harvey Oswald theory.

Nixon's involvement didn't have anything to do with that they needed to play both sides at the same time? Because heaven's forbid if another Republican became president at the next election. And Nixon's involvement in Castro and him being the liason of Operation 40 had nothing to do with it either. In fact the whole CIA is probably a red herring in the JFK assassination.

Let's suspend critical thinking... LMAO
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:04 PM
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54. More from the comics, eh?
Actually, there are a whole realm of possibilities besides believing the nonsense about the secret meeting, and believing the Lee Harvey Oswald fable. It's hard to take anyone who insists that if the lady's nonsense is not true, the ONLY alternative is the Warren Commission. I guess that represents a short-cut to logical thinking that I am not interested in taking.
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d-artignan Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:13 PM
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56. Actually you dismiss stuff out of the hand
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 01:15 PM by d-artignan
And Richard Nixon had good motive to be involved. Since Richard Nixon was a somebody who never had what it took to become president and like / together with Lyndon they were involved in lots of dirty activity and connected with Texas Oil and the CIA. And here was the opportunity for Nixon.

And the 'comic book woman' happens to be Johnson's mistress and you know how men are around mistresses. They don't tell their wives, but they will tell their mistress.

It is funny that the two future presidents, the top guy of the FBI, the number two guy of the FBI, the top guy of the CIA all happened to be in Dallas on November 21st. Why? And we have the stories about Bush as well as quoted in posts above.

There are many options, but it is clear that it was being directed from the top and not by the little guys. Both the FBI and the CIA played a major role in the coverup.

I am saying that this lady could well be telling the truth. Besides that all those people - and these are the top - were in Dallas on November 21st and we know of quite a lot that they went to the 'party'. So was it just a party or was it a last minute meeting? Given the coverup which immediately followed it sounds more like the last meeting.

Means - Motive - Opportunity. Nixon, Johnson, Bush, Hoover, McCloy. They all had it and their careers were going great afterwards, however if Kennedy has allowed to continue then it wouldn't have looked so good. Johnson was on his way out. Bush was on his way out since he was the main pusher behind the Cuba invasion. Hoover had to move under presidential control. The CIA was going to be "splintered into 1,000 pieces" according JFK's own words. But November 22 changed all of that.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #56
58. I assume
that you have probably watched the movie "JFK." There is a scene where the DA meets with "Man X" in the park. Of course, Man X was Col. Prouty. That scene outlines the truth about the killing of JFK (and, for that matter, MLK and RFK).

There is a book "Farewell America," which resulted from Moynihan's "secret" investigation. It also tells the truth about Dallas.

Neither Nixon nor LBJ were involved. Both knew afterward what happened. Neither ever dared cross the forces they knew were involved.
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d-artignan Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. I didn't like the movie JFK
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 01:53 PM by d-artignan
Some parts are good but he drifted endlessly into minor details. I found the internet with sites like Spartacus (referenced somewhere above) many times more interesting, because they contained an overview of all the suspects in all the different theories and then you can decide for yourself who is the most likely subject and Lyndon Johnson is like a spider in the whole assassination. And there are many other sites with great information (except for mcadams who always ends up at #1 and contains nothing but disinformation)

I've read Farewell America. I find it too far fetched especially the French Intelligence part. It's like looking far away for something which is right in front of your eyes. I am not saying that foreign intelligence wasn't involved, but if it played a role, it played a minor role. The major role was played by the CIA and the J. Edgar Hoover.

From my own investigation it is clear that both Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon were involved from the beginning and they both played their parts.

Let me add that Nixon played a minor part, but it is strange that in 1962 Nixon officially retired from politics even though his CIA connected with regards to the Castro Assassination (Operation 40) continued during the JFK administration as well. However JFK wanted to end the Castro assassination team and that would have meant the end of Nixon's undercover career (as well as Bush's undercover career). And suddenly Nixon changed his mind, went back into politics and managed to become President after Johnson...
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Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #56
59. JFK Assassination
Noone believe more that there was a conspiracy tham me to kill JFK
but Nixon was not Involved regardless of how we think of him. Bush Is
a different story though. He may have worked for the CIA In the early 1960's,and may have been Involved In AntiCastro actions,which
were the conspiracy In part may have come from,and while LBJ may have
covered up what happened he may not have been In on the plan to kill
Kennedy.
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