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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:19 AM
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Dean candidacy offers the surest of solutions to this oligarchic monopoly
Don't especially like Dick Morris, but you know what they say about broken clocks.

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/7426.h...

BARBARIANS AT THE GATES
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Voters understand that the money-dominated political system has effectively stripped them of their sovereignty, handing it to the hidden power of financial, special-interest, and party oligarchies on both sides of the aisle.

We are back in the 1890s, when the Senate could be said to represent, not states, but interests like Standard Oil, United Fruit and U.S. Steel. But now the interests that control seats are the Christian right, the AFL-CIO, the AMA, the NRA, the trial lawyers, the Fortune 500, the Israel lobby, the insurance industry, bankers and a handful of others.

This realization has spawned an "off with their heads" mentality among voters (the title of my last book) which has the same lack of selectivity as the guillotine of the French Revolution, but also packs the same wallop.

The Dean candidacy offers the surest of solutions to this oligarchic monopoly - the use of the Internet to overcome the advantages which money and media can confer on the incumbents. The former Vermont governor is proving that the Internet is a better, cheaper, and faster way to raise money than the old glad-handing of special interests and fat cat donors.

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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:25 AM
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1. Just finishing BIG LIES...
And the oligarchy and cronyism chapter made me :puke:.

ABB...and if that's Dean...great!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:25 AM
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2. Here are a bunch of related Dean quotes
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 11:52 AM by w4rma

{Guy in the audience: Give em hell, Howard!}

Harry Truman used to say, {when} people used to say, Give em hell, Harry, hed say, I dont give them hell, I just tell the truth and Republicans think its hell. We need a balanced budget in this country so were going to have jobs in America again to invest in America. No Republican president has balanced the budget in 34 years in this country. If you want to trust the federal government with your hard-earned money, you had better vote for a Democrat, because the Republicans cant handle money. You know, the presidents given a lot of our tax dollars away to big corporations, but I think we better change our policy, because those corporations take our jobs elsewhere. What we need in this country is an investment policy for small businesses. Small businesses dont pay as well as big businesses, their fringe benefits arent as good, but they stay in their own community. We need jobs in America. We need to invest in America. Three trillion dollars. Can you imagine, if we could have taken some of that money, to rebuild our roads and our bridges, and our schools, and broadband telecommunications in the most rural parts of America so they can have information jobs as well, and invest in renewable energy and rebuilding the grid, so we can put people to work, and save the environment, and save our national security? We can do better than this. We need jobs, Mr. President, not empty promises and $3 trillion of our tax money going to your friends who are writing you those $2,000 checks to finance your campaign. We can do better than that.

http://www.thestranger.com/2003-08-28/dean_speech.html


Governor Dean, about those high earners, the nonpartisan Center on Budget and Policy Priorities has suggested using revenue from the estate tax as a progressive way to help bolster Social Security. Should wealthy Americans be contributing more to Social Security?

MR. DEAN: What wealthy Americans should be doing is paying their fair share of the payroll tax. Social Security cannot survive -- (scattered applause) -- on its present track. And the solution to that is simply to make wage-earners above $85,000 subject to the payroll tax, and that will cure the Social Security ills, if we can change presidents.

Now, you asked about pensions. A few days ago we were in San Francisco talking to the United Food & Commercial Workers. (Scattered cheers.) A gentleman over here named Larry Allen, who is a produce clerk at Wal-Mart in Henderson, Texas, took two days of his vacation to come to San Francisco for the UFCW forum. When he went back, he was fired for violating the no-solicitation clause.

If you want to protect pensions, the way to do that is to organize. And if you want to organize at places like Wal-Mart, we'd better have card check. We'd better ban mandatory compulsory meetings. We'd better fire the National Labor Relations Board, because that's how you protect working people in this country. (Scattered applause.)

And we ought to have independent pension funds that are no longer controlled by corporations. It would solve two problems. First of all, major corporations going out the door would not be raiding the pension funds in order to try to keep their company afloat. That money doesn't belong to the corporations. It belongs to the people in whose trust it was set aside.

And secondly, it would contribute to portable pensions so that if you move from job to job to job, you still get your pension. You don't have to worry about vesting anymore. We need complete pension reform in this country, and we need to start by making unions strong enough to demand it.

http://www.aflcio.org/issuespolitics/politics/candidate...

Guest Post by Howard Dean

The post below is from Governor Howard Dean. You can check out the crossposting and commentary at www.blogforamerica.com and read more about Howard Dean at www.deanforamerica.com . Thanks!-- Matt, Zephyr and Nicco, Dean Internet Team

posted by { Zephyr Teachout } on { Jul 14 03 at 3:58 PM } to { presidential politics } { 31 comments }

Its been a busy day, but its great to blog here on Larry Lessigs blog.

Ill be writing all week, but if theres a day I cant make it, Joe Trippi, my campaign manager, will fill in for me. Thank you Professor Lessig for inviting me.

The Internet might soon be the last place where open dialogue occurs. One of the most dangerous things that has happened in the past few years is the deregulation of media ownership rules that began in 1996. Michael Powell and the Bush FCC are continuing that assault today (see the June 2nd ruling).

The danger of relaxing media ownership rules became clear to me when I saw what happened with the Dixie Chicks. But theres an even bigger danger in the future, on the Internet. The FCC recently ruled that cable and phone based broadband providers be classified as information rather than telecommunications services. This is the first step in a process that could allow Internet providers to arbitrarily limit the content that users can access. The phone and cable industries could have the power to discriminate against content that they dont control or-- even worse-- simply dont like.

The media conglomerates now dominate almost half of the markets around the country, meaning Americans get less independent and frequently less dependable news, views and information. James Madison and Thomas Jefferson spoke of the fear that economic power would one day try to seize political power. No consolidated economic power has more opportunity to do this than the consolidated power of media.

posted by { Howard Dean } on { Jul 14 03 at 3:26 PM } to { } { 198 comments }
http://www.lessig.org/blog/archives/2003_07.shtml
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:27 AM
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3. I will be crushed if he doesn't win the nomination...
But, I think his campaign will forever change politics no matter what. He's an amazing man.
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ByeDick Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:14 PM
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15. Right On, Gully...Dean Is The Voice, And The Change Is Here
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 12:49 PM by ByeDick
Dean is the leader of the Democratic Party. He is the one who made if fashionable to be anti-war and anti-Bush.

Not that others didn't hold similar views, but Howard showed that you can be a front-runner by taking on insanity.

Dean cleared the way for Gen. Clark to be who he is now. Does anyone think Clark could have stepped in with an anti-war agenda if Kerry & Co. were still playing pre-Dean softball?

Hopefully others will follow, including the %^$%s at the DNC, who are still uneasy about anti-insanity candidates. Whatever happens, and whoever gets the nomination, Dean is the guy who set the stage that they're all dancing on right now.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:12 PM
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22. You are correct ...sir...
:thumbsup:
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:28 AM
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4. WTF?
Sure, he does a lot of "grassroots" fundraising via the Internet, but he also readily accepts corporate campaign $$. He even said he was a "triangulator" long before Clinton. He was also known for being very kind to big business in VT when he was governor. He's hardly the solution to the oligarchical monopoly-- in many ways, he's part of it.

Dick Morris is a sad little man who peddles his worthless ass to the highest bidder. He has no allegiance to any party or ideology but himself. He's the worst kind of political huckster there is, more concerned with style over substance.

Take anything you read by this man with a VERY LARGE grain of salt.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:37 AM
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6. Where's the proof that his Prez campaign has taken corporate $
PAC's, including corporate PAC's, can at most only contribute up to $5,000. Individuals up to $2,000. Since his average donation is around $80, I don't think corporations are sending him money.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:58 PM
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19. "Dean raises money from energy sources"
Please don't pretend he has only good intentions to deregulate electricity for us.


http://timesargus.nybor.com/Legislature/Story/43125.htm...


Dean raises money from energy sources

February 27, 2002

By David Gram

ASSOCIATED PRESS

MONTPELIER When Gov. Howard Dean wanted to raise money for a possible presidential bid, he followed the example of a former governor of Texas and called on his friends in the energy industry.

>>>>>>>
Administration actions going back some years betray an inappropriate coziness with the utilities, said Paul Burns, executive director of the Vermont Public Service Research Group. I am not prepared to say its a result of contributions given. But these contributions present the appearance of impropriety or appearance of influence that it probably would have been better to avoid.

Deans close relationship with utility representatives dates back to the day he became governor in 1991. A lobbyist for Green Mountain Power and a GMP employee were among the first people Dean called in to help his transition.

A list of the Governors Council of Economic Advisers includes Green Mountain Power Corp.s chairman, two company board members and a vice president, all of whom made donations to the Fund For A Healthy America. It also includes two longtime utility lobbyists.

Over the years, the governor has sided with the utilities on many of the most pressing issues, including the push for deregulation of the electric industry, and later backing away from that as a goal. Among other major decisions:

After years of pushing for the companies to absorb the excess costs of their expensive contract with Hydro-Quebec, Deans Department of Public Service agreed to let ratepayers be billed for more than 90 percent of what those excess costs are expected to be in the coming years. The extra costs will be in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
>>>>>>>
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:37 PM
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24. Kerry has taken much more PAC money then Dean ...
Kerry: $24,584

Dean: $15,500

Bush: $757,550

As of last quarter.

http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/index.asp
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:53 PM
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25. WOW!!!
These numbers might as well read as follows:

Bush: ALL OF IT

Everyone Else: ZERO
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:11 PM
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21. Try this
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:37 AM
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7. Dean has said
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 11:40 AM by dkf
that in the past, he too had believed that the way to create jobs was by bringing and keeping big businesses in his state.

But, seeing how big business is willing to sell its employees down the road and move jobs offshore out of greed, he reexamined his position and now feels we need to put out efforts into helping small business. Small businesses do not move their jobs offshore.

Howard Dean is a trained Doctor, and in campaigning all over the U.S. he has been made more aware of the problems of average Americans. Therefore, what worked in Vermont may not be best for all Americans. He is smart to change his solutions based on a new examination of what ails our country.
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:49 AM
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10. An very important point that we need to learn...


Anti-corporate tax abuse and anti-corporate crime is not anti-business.

Dean is very pro-business... you have to be in order to have an economy.

However I keep seeing people who act like because Dean was pro-business, he can't be anti-corporate crime or anti-corporate tax loopholes.

That simply isn't true.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:33 AM
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5. The Internet is a tool to us what the printing press was to Thomas Paine
No campaign-finance reform can rectify the special-interest and wealth-donor domination of the political process or the power this system confers on party bosses. But the shift of campaigning from TV to the Internet will and is accomplishing the same goal.

What Morris hasn't realized is that the Internet can't make the candidate, like TV can present a false image of the candidate to fool people. The Internet still requires the candidate to have a message that sells, integrity, and the frankness to engage with the Internet community. The Internet spreads ideas, some good and some bad, faster than TV. The "David" type candidate and his/her team have to challenge attacks quickly and winnow the good ideas from the bad in order to have a chance to slay the more heavily favored candidates.

And Dean does use TV, but only pinpoint market ads that address groups not connected to the Internet yet.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:51 AM
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11. The Internet is a tool of the Military-Industrial Complex
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 11:52 AM by sangh0
Don't count on it to lead us into freedom, unless you think isolation is freedom.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:40 AM
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8. Put the pipe down, and back away slowly
Dean is out there pandering for the corporate buck just as hard and heavy as any other candidate. On top of that he has stated his support for NAFTA, FTAA etc. Add to that Dean's long time allegiance to the DLC and it seems that Dean is simply another corporate puppet. All Dean is trying to do now is disguise this fact.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:49 AM
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9. MY are we devoid of 'facts'...
:boring:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:53 PM
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16. Sorry there,
I didn't realize that I needed to include links for the research impaired. So here ya go Sleepy.

On Dean and NAFTA:

<http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/news/newsfd/auto/feed... ;COXnetJSessionID=1CzXvQ24rMph3H2P0s8itwF2SgFVv2XG33Ro0eyIL0a6xdM1KRwO!-1743610163?urac=n&urvf=10655465196900.8757454828773297>

<http://www.time.com/time/columnist/printout/0,8816,4832... >

<http://www.toughenough.org/thebeat2.htm >

So Dean loved NAFTA then, when he was govenor, but hates it now? Now that's a flip flop.

On Dean and the DLC:

<http://www.socialistworker.org/2003-2/464/464_09_DLC.sh... >
<http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=2535&kaid=127... >

And yes, Dean does accept corporate donations. Which means that at least part of his ass will be owned by those selfsame coporations. The only candidates who are NOT accepting corporate donations are Dennis Kucinich and the Green party.

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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:54 PM
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17. Don't forget the Cuban Embargo
put in place to protect the corporate interests that still yearn to dominate Cuba once Castro falls.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:24 PM
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23. You should consider your sources more carefully...
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 01:25 PM by gully
From one of your links... "and he (Dean) has now slid into cynical, extremist threats of tariffs against those countries that do not meet America's environmental and labor standards."

Cynical and extremist?

Heres a quote from Howard Dean on his awakening...

Dean said: "I have a 100 percent AFL-CIO record. My position on trade has changed because WTO and NAFTA aren't working. It is a siphon for the trade jobs."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21141-20...

Regarding the DLC read W4rma's links... That pretty much sayz it all.
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:54 AM
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12. Liesand BS... same as always.


"Dean is out there pandering for the corporate buck just as hard and heavy as any other candidate."

Really... then why is his average donation 100 bucks from almost 200,000 people, 25% of which are students?

Please cite your proof?


"On top of that he has stated his support for NAFTA, FTAA etc."

You mean when he said he would insist on application of international labor, safety, and environmental standards to NAFTA and FTAA?


"Add to that Dean's long time allegiance to the DLC"

Dean has no been DLC for quite some time, hence the fact they attacked him as a fringe leftist.


"and it seems that Dean is simply another corporate puppet."

Proof?



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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:55 AM
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13. DLC
Dean Statement in Response to DLC's Charge that Public Servants are "Fringe Activists"

Once again, the DLC has chosen to put their own political agenda ahead of the progress needed to unite the Democratic Party. This election has barely begun, and the DLC has repeatedly dismissed people who attend caucuses, who get out the vote, and now the 1.3 million members of AFSCME as fringe activists who do not reflect the mainstream values, national pride and the economic aspirations of middle-class and working people.

The DLC staff can say what they want about me, but they owe an apology to the 1.3 million members of AFSCME. Our teachers, our health care workers, and our state and local public servants don't need a lesson from Washington insiders about the needs and concerns of middle- and working-class families. What they need is a Democratic Party that will stand up for them.

Posted by Mathew Gross at 04:27 PM
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/000206.html

Tell From and Reed of the DLC What You Think
Click here to sign a letter to the Democratic Leadership Council telling them that you're an active Democrat who supports Howard Dean. You can tell your friends about the link, too: www.deanforamerica.com/DLC

Posted by Mathew Gross at 01:29 AM
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/000240.html

Fineman on the DLC Memo
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/000213.html

Former DNC-Chief Steve Grossman to DLC: "Creating Conflict is Not Leadership."
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/000225.html

Liberal Oasis on Howard Dean and the DLC
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/000226.html

Will the Real DLC Please Stand Up?
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/000228.html

Congressional Members Call on DLC to Stop Divisive Tactics
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/000238.html

Activists Are Out of Step
By Al From and Bruce Reed
http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=251866&kaid=8...

The Real Soul of the Democratic Party
By Al From and Bruce Reed
http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=251690&kaid=1...
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:59 AM
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14. Incidentally, Edwards is the only candidate, I believe,
who doesn't take PAC money AND doesn't take money from people who are registered DC lobbyists.

And he has a REAL populist message.

If Dick Morris is saying Dean's the anti-oligarch candidate, I'm going to, well, file this next to the David Brooks article in the NY Times which argued that the Episcopalian, prep school backgrounds of people like Dean and Bush give them a special entitlement to rule.

Dean hasn't done much in his professional career to limit the influence of big corporations. He says now that he realizes a few things about big business, which are quoted above, but he's still pushing policies (like a balanced budget at all costs, and maintaining a regressive tax code) which big business and the oligarchy actually like.

Morris is doing what that GOP leak about their internal polling was trying to do yesterday -- he's trying to rally Dean support and prevent defection to Clark.

I'd love to see who's signing Morriss's paycheck these days.
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clar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:58 PM
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18. Look, I like Edwards
a great deal, but much of his money came from wealthy trial lawyers who gave the legal limit.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:08 PM
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20. I personally know a couple lawyers who gave to Edwards, and they
are generally very hard working people who came from middle class and working class backgrounds who only had one option to get ahead financially, and that was by going into a profession that rewards intelligence and hard work (and a profession for which the route to a professional license goes through schools which accept people of all races, and from all sorts of backgrounds).

These people I know aren't all litigators, but they all took tax law and constitutional law in law school, and they can see the damage Bush is doing to America very clearly. And NONE of these people knew Edwards personally, nor expect anything from him other than an America in which people who work hard can still get ahead, and a world which comports with their notion of what social justice means -- which has more to do with the scales of justice being balanced (because these are people who represent people on both sides of the scales).

To me, these are the people who recognize the threat of oligarchy. They are not part of the oligarchy, nor are they looking for a world that rewards and consolidates an oligarchy. The oligarchy is the reason they don't like Bush.
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