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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:11 AM
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I've suddenly become depressed about Traitorgate
This may be just a passing down moment, but when I saw that article where McClellan said the leaker may never be found, my heart sank. I've been pretty upbeat about this scandal hurting Bush, but suddenly I'm worried nothing will ever come of it because the DOJ will drag this out and let the WH stonewall till the cows come home. I know Dems like Schumer are calling for an independent counsel, but why do I feel no one is paying attention?
It's so frustrating because the WH is obviously not cooperating, and they seem to be getting away with it. Can anyone cheer me up? :(
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:14 AM
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1. More Bombshells Are Coming
It ain't over by a long shot. The CIA is waiting for the right moment and gauging the WH response, waiting for recall madness to end then BAM! Be patient, these guys are the real pros.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:18 AM
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8. God, I hope You're Right, Beetwasher
NT
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:23 AM
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13. I know one thing.
They certainly seem to be willing to piss off (and on) the CIA. I don't know if I'd be so cavalier about that -- I hope you're right, Beetwasher, and it comes back to bite them in the ass.
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:14 AM
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2. Nope
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:14 AM
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3. Hmmmmm.
Well, it is hurting him. I mean I know it might be nice to see him walking out to the helicopter in disgrace, but I think we'll have to settle for the victory of an election Next year. He's weak and getting weaker, and we have several strong candidates ready to go.

Plus that new Vanilla Pepsi is pretty tasty.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:15 AM
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4. I Wish I Could Cheer You Up
But I feel exactly as you do. This thing will die on the vine.

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:26 PM
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21. The spooks know who the leaker is!
And they'll figure out a way to release it if nobody else does.

I think the spooks are gonna deal with this in their own way. Whoda thunk I'd be rooting for them for once?

I hope the spooks do their own coup. I wouldn't put it past them.
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phatkatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:15 AM
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5. Look at it this way
If the leak is never pinned on anyone (scapegoat), that leaves that cloud of suspicion over the whole administration.

They're evil, but not stupid. They'll find a scapegoat.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:16 AM
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6. Gee, after saying it didn't happen...
...the WH says the leaker may never be found, and declares that Libby, Rove and Abrams are cleared. Yeah, complete bullshit, and very obvious. Just keep your fingers crossed. Also, if Wilson brings a private suit, and if the CIA continues expressing its displeasure...don't expect it to go away because the WH decides not to cooperate and Ashcroft PROVES he's not competent to handle it...
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:20 AM
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9. You have to remember also that everything they say is exact opposite
of Reality. If they say Rove and Abrams and Libby are not involved then most assuredly they are. It has become extremely apparent that we should believe the exact opposite of what they say.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:21 AM
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12. Exactly. This tells me these ARE the guys
Propoganda 101.
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OldSoldier Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:20 AM
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11. Libby, Rove, Abrams cleared?
That means Cheney and Bush did it.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:34 AM
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16. bull...even crystal says they'll find the leak
as per cspan this am.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:17 AM
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7. The things that are depressing
should be cheering you up. Stonewalling and lack of cooperation will just add to the magnitude of the problem.

Also, think of this as a basketball game. Our team isn't going to always be standing at our goal shooting free throws. Sometimes, the ball goes to the other end of the court and the other team gets a lay-up. But we eventually get the ball back and score a few points.

My point is that you really ought to look at the big picture. Focus on a single comment at any given time and you'll not only drive yourself crazy, but you'll never have a clear view of the big picture.

Do what you can to help the team and don't worry about each individual play.
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:24 AM
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14. Good point ...
Remember Nixon did not resign because of the break in. He resigned because he got caught covering it up.

So far the AWOL administration is following this script. I suspect though that this administration put safeguards in place long ago, because they knew that they would need them.

Cheers
Drifter
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:20 AM
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10. I read this morning ...
about how they have cleared 3 administration officials.

I say look at these guys. There is a reason they have been cleared this early. It is to take the heat off, so they slide down the memory hole early. They will then step up their investigation on the people that they know are not involved. The result is that this situation is "nothing".

They already have the conclusion of the investigation (and probably have had it for months), now they just need the facts to back it up. This is the way Republicans work.

Cheers
Drifter
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:26 AM
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15. I am not ready to give up hope yet
They are trying to plant a seed... With Wilson and Johnson out in the public, I have some confidence that they are going to fight like hell to keep this story alive and not let the WH get away with this. Wilson...he is all over this and I have a tremendous amount of confidene in him to get the job done. He isn't going anywhere soon.
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:35 AM
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17. we have to turn stonewalling into the issue
that's how the rethugs forced Clinton to name a special proscecutor in the whitewater case. be dogged, fuck they are about to steal the CA governorship, make no compromises it gets us nothing, don't give up that's what they want us to do
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janekat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:37 AM
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18. This is good IMO - because it is a mystery that needs to be solved
it keeps the whole thing going. People are going to start calling Bush on not cooperating.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:38 AM
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19. Hope for the best...expect the worst...
- There is absolutely no reason to believe that THIS scandal will hurt Bush* in ANY way. That's not defeatism...just reality based on experience.
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:39 AM
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20. Thanks for all your responses
Even the ones that couldn't cheer me up! :)
I was just getting impatient and that fueled my momentary fit of the doldrums. I know this isn't going away, and history shows stonewalling only delays the inevitable or creates the whole new problem of obstruction of justice (coverup).
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lindashaw Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:47 PM
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22. It took a good while to break Watergate. But people are always
people. Someone will talk or give it away. And you're right about the CIA having ways.

You know, those guys surrounding Nixon were very smart people, smarter than Bushco, and they couldn't keep the truth from coming out. There's a Biblical verse, "your sin will find you out."

Be brave. :)
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:29 PM
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23. Keep the faith Diplomats
I gather you missed last Friday's Nightline. The show was contacted by a group of former CIA officers who said they wanted to come on and express their outrage at the leak and the Bush administration's reaction to it. It was great. The Nightline website has a recap on the show now (link: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/US/cia031006_l... ).

One of the CIA officers said something that is not in the link. Larry Johnson, a very passionate and outspoken speaker, said that if Bush doesn't "call off the partisan dogs" more and more of them (CIA folks) are going to stand up as those guys (and gal) did.

This is NOT going to go away.
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