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mkregel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:03 AM
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Liberal Hollywood, my ...
ass!!!!

First Arnold - and now there's buzz that Kelsey Grammar will be pit against Boxer here in California for the next Senatorial election...


WTF?????

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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:04 AM
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1. You can add more
there's Dennis Miller, Bruce Willis, Mel Gibson...it's becoming more pervasive.

However, Grammar would lose anyway. Unless Barbara is really really in trouble.
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mkregel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:07 AM
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2. Thats what people said about Davis
They said Arnold would never win...and look.

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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:15 AM
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4. But if he "wins"
It will not be a majority of the voters...unless the thing is rigged. This is why I don't think an Arnold "win" has any national significance. It would only be the result of the kooky California recall law...which I predict will be rescinded.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:14 PM
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5. Dennis Miller would loose BIG TIME to Boxer!!!!
He's not well know like DAS GROPER!!!
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:32 PM
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9. Bruce Willis was against the recall and supported Davis with appearances
I'll give him that much.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:09 AM
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3. he's presidential material
what with the cocaine use and drunk driving record.....I'm sure he'll find religion prior to the election.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:17 PM
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6. Kelsey Grammar?
Talk about scandal after scandal.

Please, his ex-wife the stripper, the coke, the booze.

Yeah, GOP run this guy PLEASE!!!!
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mkregel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:49 PM
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10. He already announced it...
That's why Fraiser is having it's last season...so Grammar can concentrate on his election bid for the US Senate against Boxer.

Oh God what have we done to anger you sooooo....
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:21 PM
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13. What a joke!
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 02:22 PM by ronnykmarshall
Ok, here's my dirt on this guy.

His previous wife Leigh Ann is friends of my step-mother. My step-mom's family and her family are long time friends in Canada. When Leigh Ann married Kelsey, she contacted my step-mom and she, her mother and my dad drove up to LA to have dinner with them.

Dad said that Kelsey was a charming and funny guy. At the resturant, Kelsey played the piano and entertained the patrons.

Ain't that shocking?!!!!



opps! Did I forget to mention that he and his wife got up to go to the bathroom every five minutes and do coke?
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:21 PM
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7. aw jeez!
what's happening in this country? kelsey grammar?! boxer is such a class act with much experience. i hope the nonsense will stop today with this recall election.
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WhosNext Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:23 PM
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8. Please do!! Then WE can play the morals game.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:50 PM
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11. will smith, rob lowe, and oprah
all supporting the gropinator, too

(though oprah isn't based in hollywood, you get the idea)
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reachout Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:08 PM
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12. Insteresting article
in the LA Times

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/recall/cl-et-rutte...


<snip>

The notion that Hollywood marches in ideological lock step left foot always forward has long been useful to publicity-seeking congressmen, right-wing culture warriors and moralists-on-the-make from the Legion of Decency to the Traditional Values Coalition. In fact, there was a time, not so very long ago, when the mere mention of Jane Fonda's name was so remunerative to conservative fund-raisers' direct mail campaigns that they should have put her on retainer.

Like so much in politics, it all works very nicely until you consider the record:

Schwarzenegger is traversing a well-marked path from entertainment celebrity to elective office, and all who have preceded him have been Republicans, foremost among them Ronald Reagan. Age and Constitution permitting, he probably could have been elected to a third presidential term. There's former U.S. Sen. George Murphy and the late Rep. Sonny Bono, who came to politics through song and dance. Clint Eastwood was probably America's most famous small-town mayor.

The last time a certified Hollywood liberal had a real shot at elective office it was 1950, when one-time actress Helen Gahagan Douglas whose husband was actor Melvyn Douglas ran as the Democratic candidate for one of California's U.S. Senate seats. She, of course, was defeated in a bruising campaign by a young Orange County congressman named Richard M. Nixon.

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David Freeman, novelist and screenwriter, is also a shrewd chronicler of his company town.

He points out that the real Hollywood as opposed to the imagined one always has encompassed both ends of the ideological spectrum. "Jimmy Stewart, a deeply conservative and sincere Republican, and Gregory Peck, a very liberal and committed Democrat, were the opposing poles of their era," he said. "Louis B. Mayer thought of himself as a Republican plutocrat. Big money usually is conservative; this is not news. Over the last generation, it's certainly true that liberals have been noisier, but there always have been plenty of conservatives, though an ingrained sense of good manners made them quieter about it.

"There are vocal people on the left Barbra Streisand, for example but on the other side there are people like Tom Selleck, Bruce Willis, Mel Gibson and Arnold, who have made their positions known. In fact, now that conservatism is fashionable, Republicans everywhere, including Hollywood, have become louder. There's been a change in the country, and Hollywood always reflects changes in the country. It doesn't lead change; it reflects it."

Thus, said Freeman, since Sept. 11, most Hollywood Democrats like most Americans have adopted a more traditionally conservative approach to issues of physical security.

<snip>
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:33 PM
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14. Don't forget Ben (aren't I the smug one) Stein.
:puke:
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