dude wheres my country cover.

[veganwitch]

its out today and im too broke so im looking at it on amazon and mike moore either lost a lot of weight or they editted his picture. he has lost (via whatever) a lot of weight in his face.

i just thought it was interesting.

*fuck fat phobia*

[Evil_Dewers]

1. Saw Moore on Bill Mahrer a couple of weeks ago...

He was still fat. Ask Moore the Libertarian who worked for and financially supported the Green Party nominee Ralph Nader, "Dude, where's my President Gore?"

[Webster Green]

3. Um, dude....Michael Moore rocks!

As Ralph himself pointed out...the system is rigged. By the way, Gore actually won the election, but was denied the presidency by the fascist bastards who control the corrupted Supreme Court of the US. Remember?

[Evil_Dewers]

9. I remember.

Ralph and the Greens just made it much easier for the Repukes to steal the election. How many of those 100,000 Green votes in Florida would Gore have gotten if Nader had dropped out and endorsed Gore?

But Mr. Nader stated there was no difference between the two parties.

He then stated that if Gore couldn't defeat Bush with St. Ralph running, then Gore didn't deserve to be president.

Anybody here think a President Gore would have launched a pre-emptive strike and invaded Iraq based on botulism in a Baghdad fridge?

Unless the Greens work with us to defeat *, I have no use for them.

[LeahMira]

30. On balance...

Anybody here think a President Gore would have launched a pre-emptive strike and invaded Iraq based on botulism in a Baghdad fridge?

I think that 9/11 might not have happened if we had President Gore... not because he would have been overly conciliatory but just because he would at least have listened to the concerns of Islamic fundamentalists. Sometimes you don't have to actually give people anything they ask for but just knowing that they are being heard is enough to keep them from giving up on the normal channels of communication.

Should it have come to that, I'm certain that President Gore would have worked with the United Nations to resolve the Iraq situation. Clearly now we see that Iraq was not in violation of the U.N. resolutions to the extent that it was accused of being.

In defence of the Greens, though, hindsight is 20/20. They based their campaign on the facts they had at the time. Also, the Democratic slate of candidates currently includes candidates that are much more like the sort of candidates that many wished for in 2000 and the sort of candidate that Ralph Nader represented.

All in all, I think there was good and bad that came from Ralph Nader's bid for the Presidency.

[0rganism]

4. Aside from your own fever dreams, what evidence do you have...

...that Michael Moore is a Libertarian?

"Dude, what's your problem?"

[Evil_Dewers]

6. Moore said he was an Independent

two weeks ago on Mahrer's "Real Time."

[Webster Green]

7. Great reason to criticize him....

He's independent. He is out there speaking his truth and attcking the fascists at every opportunity. What are you doing other than trying to pigeonhole everyone into little boxes, so you won't be so threatened by them. Note: Libertarian and Independent are not the same political party.

[Evil_Dewers]

10. I thought Moore said he was a Libertarian

in Bowling for Columbine.

[wyldwolf]

12. Big difference between independants and libertarians...

[Bandit]

15. I'm an independent also but I sure as hell am not a Libertarian

Big difference.

[Room101]

34. Evil_Dewers - I'm an Independent

Do you have a problem with that?

[wyldwolf]

11. I've asked you this before and you ignored it, so here it is again...

What proof do you have Moore is a libertarian.

Your statement shows a lack of understanding on libertarianism

[SlavesandBulldozers]

17. ill respond for him

he certainly is libertarian on number of issues, but there needs to be a distinction between Libertarian the party and libertarian the philosophy. Just as there needs to be a distinction between Independent the party and independent the philosophy. Michael Moore certainly is a libertarian on some issues (gun ownership, non-interventionist foreign policy/withdrawn military). , but Libertarian probably would not be his choice of a party (lol).

[Evil_Dewers]

19. Bowling for Columbine. Read post #10 n/t

[wyldwolf]

28. I've seen it three times and own a copy...

I don't recall that line.

[Colin Ex]

14. You know, every single damn time

somebody mentions Michael Moore, a few dedicated people start kvetching and kvetching about how Michael Moore and Ralph Nader are singlehandedly responsible for Gore not being president right now, and then launch into a spiel about how because the Greens don't want to take the shot in the mouth and vote for someone they think wouldn't be the best president, they are the Great Satan and deserve to be strung up by their thumbs.

Every single damn time.

Similarly, every single damn time a few rational people say "You know, we've been over this argument about a million times, and every time you guys plug your ears and go 'Ralph Nader is Great Satan!'"

So, yeah, we know you don't like the Green party, you've told us more times than any of can count. So why don't you convince me that the Democratic party is friendly to my ideals by calling me the Enemy some more, there, buddy? I'm a member of my college's Green party, haven't voted yet (I turned 18 this year). Am I the enemy? The arguments you and your ilk have been throwing around suggest that yes, I am the enemy, and if that's the mindset you have then maybe the Democratic party isn't where I belong.

[chadm]

18. Have patience

A lot of these posters are lacking in critical thought...and so they regurgitate the media's lines about Nader.

[MrPrax]

20. Wow...what a great response

Somes it up beautifully...
NOTE TO Democrats
I'm a member of my college's Green party, haven't voted yet (I turned 18 this year). Am I the enemy?

This articulate at 18!!? You should really start winning the hearts and minds and stop slagging thinkers

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[tlcandie]

21. Here here! Great post!

Registered Dem but as I've admitted more times than not I don't feel as though I fit into the square peg

Thanks for the post!

[Evil_Dewers]

25. Yes, you are the enemy (in a way).

The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. As a rival, you are my enemy as well.

Unless you do whatever you can do to defeat George Dumbya Boosch, I have no use for the Green Party.

Voting Green as a protest vote against the "no difference between the two major parties" isn't helping the cause.

Lemme ask you this: Has the policies of Gray Davis been unfriendly to the environment of California? No. Yet the Greens are still running some guy named Cum-hey-ho.

The Greens have much, much more in common with the Democratic Party than they do with the Dirty Water Act, Dirty Air Act, "pro Big Bidness under any circumstances" Republicans.

The real ecoterrorists and the scummy "energy" and chemical companies who dump hundreds of tons of filth in our waterways each day. They belch tens of thousands of pounds of filth into our skies.

If the Green Party's motives has been to move the Democratic Party to the left, then they have failed miserably. The result of which has been to siphon off votes from Democratic candidates which means the election of more Repugnantcans. Hooray. We all lose. Except the Repukes and poluters and Big Bidness and fundy Christians.

Read my siggy line (a quote from a fellow DUer). I almost voted for Nader, but thankfully, I sobered up when the polls indicated the race would be so close. Hey, at least you didn't "threaten" me by saying the mighty Greens would cost the Dems the election in '04. I've read those types of posts here before, and they sicken me. You Greens aren't the ultimate enemy, but you aren't part of the solution. thus, you are part of the problem.

[Colin Ex]

33. Maybe I'm stuck in the wrong mindset

but I don't consider the Democrats rivals, I think of them as allies. I assume we're both working for the same goal of socialized healthcare, a protected environment, and protecting the working poor. That's what I want to try to do. Aren't those supposed to be Democratic party goals?

As for California (by the way, his name is Camejo, not Cam-hey-ho) if he wants to run, I don't much see what's stopping him. There are, what, 144 other candidates to vote for? But if people think he's the best man for the job of governor of California (and they think the recall should go through -- hey, it's their right to think that), then they should be able to vote for him without having pissed off people calling them the great Satan throwing stones at them. This doesn't stop me from thinking what I may about the recall bullshit.

The goal of the Green party USA, at least to my knowledge, is currently to build a politically progressive party in the United States. I don't see anything wrong with that, and while you certainly have your right to beef with that, to say your beef is that the Green party is not the Democratic party is kind of one-sided and ignorant, and that's what gets thrown out most of the time. I still don't buy that "if you aren't with us you're against us" bullshit -- we're working for the same things here.

-C

[phillybri]

16. Moore's a good guy with a good message....

His support of Nader is a product of his frustration with the two-party system.

Disagree with all you want, that's fine. It doesn't make him evil...

[0rganism]

2. He was on the Daily Show last night

He still looked fat. But he got a haircut.

[veganwitch]

23. i <3 lovecraft

green dot

[maxanne]

5. the cover is always

so much more important than what is contained inside.

In life and in books.

Why must we turn everything into a fucking beauty contest?

[lovedems]

8. I don't have a beef with Moore. He was on the few who had the balls

to stand up to the administration when it was unpopular to do so. He rocked on the Today this morning telling americans that there isn't a terror threat. I am looking forward to reading his latest rant on dictor bush and his PNAC administration.

[rocktivity]

13. He didn't look any thinner on Leno last night

of course, that was before Rush's supply of diet pills ran out!


rocknation

[veganwitch]

22. can we get back on topic...please

im not really in the mood for tangent bash-fests

*having the shittiest two days ever*

why does one think that while michael moore has never made issue of his size/looks, the cover of his book would slim his face down?

this sort of thing is done on pop-culture mags-especially women's mags, and fitness/health mags to create false images of the human form.

but this is not a pop-mag. its not trying to sell a body type/gender expression/clothes/make-up etc. its trying to sell (for lack of a better word) ideas, thoughts, world views.

moore must have approved of the cover so why did he/the publisher feel the need to slim down his picture?

i need to look at SWM and DT, but i dont think the same was done for them. and he certainly wasnt "cleaning up" for BFC.

so why this book? why now?

[veganwitch]

24. ok...i just checked out amazon

and there was no similar editting in other publications..

comparitively, he looks emaciated on Dude.

[maxanne]

27. feel free to look back

at post #5.

Then maybe you could try reading the book and discussing what's really important.

Or maybe we could spend some more time discussing Laura Bush's clothing, and Britney Spear's butt.

No wonder the Republicans beat us every time. We're too busy keeping track of important issues. You can bet they aren't sitting around someplace worrying about Sean Hannity's wardrobe, Bill O'Reilly's taste in neckties, or the weight problems of Coulter or Limbaugh.

Must we be the same kind of idiots they are?

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[maxanne]

31. no more so

than yours, veganwitch.

You posted *fuck fat phobia* in your original post, then went on to display it, at every opportunity.

Michael Moore is one of those people who's weight seems to go up and down. This is, by the way a common phenomenon for many people with weight problems. He may well have had that picture taken at a time when he was a little thinner. However, don't let me interfere in your looksfest.

Thanks for the charming response. I was speaking rather politely to you - something I won't bother with in the future.

[Room101]

32. Just bought his book