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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:11 PM
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I'm actually not sorry * got back in the White House
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 05:12 PM by CatWoman
notice I didn't say "reelected". :patriot:

No, I'm not crazy. Hear me out. :hide:

My brother lives in Houston, and last night I called him and my sister in law, as I was antsy about Rita. She is supposed to blow thru there.

My sister in law said something that got me to thinking: Bush is in charge right now for a reason. Karma has finally drop kicked his ass.

The whole world sees him for the failure/farce/moran that he is -- all courtesy of Katrina.

Had this happened under a competent president's watch (read: Gore or Kerry) we would not have been witness to the cluster fuck that is the Bush government.

He's been unmasked - totally exposed. The emperor not only has no clothes, but a tiny little pencil dick as well. And I believe his whole party will suffer along with him.

I just looked at today's cartoons (volume 2), and was WOWED by the total disdain and disrespect shown towards him. :woohoo:

I look in editorials, and there are equally scathing.
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I look on the right wing boards, and they are turning on him too. :9

I look at the polls, and feel hope for the future. :applause:

But none of this would have happened without Katrina unveiling the "real" Bush. :toast:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:13 PM
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1. The only problem is, Americans are paying for Bush's bad karma
That's not how karma is supposed to work.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:18 PM
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8. We are ALL failures in some way.
Karma is only the beginning of retribution... of us as a species, perhaps?
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:34 PM
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16. Actually, the whole WORLD is paying for Bush's bad karma. n/t
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:15 PM
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2. Don't mess
with Mother Nature!
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:15 PM
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3. Well, I guess
A few thousand dead americans and tens of thousands homeless is a small price to pay so long as Bush looks incompetent.

Sorry, don't know how to use the sarcasm emoticon but that's what that was.

Frankly, I would rather the SOB had never been born and a decent person were in the white house and other government positions. I consider the price paid to be a little too high to get any enjoyment out of the effect on Bush.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:17 PM
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6. It's not just a matter of him looking "incompetent"
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 05:17 PM by CatWoman
it's about his party being completely rejected, and losing power.

We can't heal until they're gone.
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:21 PM
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9. I guess that's that damnable silver lining
Still, a little too soon to enjoy.

Maybe in a few years when they are all in prison, I know, dream on.
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magnolia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:32 PM
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13. No kidding!
I don't think the entire world population is meant to be pawns in a test of Bush's competency! He wasn't qualified to be president in the first place...so now...WOO HOO...we know he's stupid?????

As for karma...all the people who couldn't be bothered to vote or were stupid enough to vote for Bush deserve this. There better be a sweet karmic reward for those of us who didn't ask for this.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:39 PM
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17. he fooled a lot of people
unfortuately those he didn't fool were affected.
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:27 PM
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34. I agree...
I understand what the OP is saying but if Gore or Kerry were at the helm, they wouldn't have been on vacation, they would have had competent people running FEMA and more pre-Katrina evacuations would have been done. I truly believe that.
Not to mention the dead and wounded because we are in Iraq!

Sorry, I don't need this much proof!
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TomPainesBones Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:16 PM
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4. Too bad for all those dead people
:shrug:
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:18 PM
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7. Yes
yes it is.

And too bad for those who are about to die.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:17 PM
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5. Well done finding the silver lining...
now let's hope we get this electronic voting machine thing taken care of...
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:12 PM
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30. If we don't, I have a feeling they are going to stick us with Jeb.
Europe...here I come!!!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:25 PM
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10. They're telling it to Jack Cafferty on CNN, too:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4830222

This one's GREAT! Well worth savoring!

You make a MOST intriguing point. This is vindication for those who tried to find consolation after November by saying that - oh well, it means he's gonna have to stay put and then clean up his own mess.

Frankly, if it had to be thus, I'm glad it's him left holding the bag. All we have to say is "(fill in the blank here) ON HIS WATCH."

Karma IS a bitch isn't it?

Kerry didn't do this. Neither did Howard Dean or anybody else. AND NEITHER DID CLINTON. Sorry, Clinton-haters, the Big Dog has been gone too long to have any direct impact anymore. YOUR boy has been in here long enough to make the changes and wield the influence that got us to THIS NIGHTMARE. It's ALL on you.

Consolation, to some extent, for sure.

But at SUCH A PRICE. :cry:

I was just thinking the other day, watching some heart-rending coverage of various crying, anguished, desolate Katrina survivors: HOW MANY TEARS, george? HOW MANY TEARS have been shed ON YOUR WATCH? HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE CRIED? HOW MANY UNNECESSARY DEATHS? HOW MUCH LOSS, BLOODSHED, WRECKAGE, DEATH, AND SORROW have been visited upon us - ON YOUR WATCH? What a WORLD-CLASS disgrace. And EVERYBODY knows it, ALL OVER THE WORLD, AND here in the U.S., where it's been finally delivered to us via kerosene enema.

And you say we're safer now.

Yeah. My ASS.

As Bill Maher said recently about bush's penchant for claiming Divine anointing:

"So, yes, God does speak to you. What he is saying is: 'Take a hint.' "
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:28 PM
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11. You may be right about his "popularity" waning.
But still, I would rather he was not in the White House. If Kerry or Gore were there, my nephew might not be in Iraq for his second tour and I and the rest of my family might be able to sleep more soundly.

:hi:
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:30 PM
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12. It's a shame it took the Katrina disaster to expose that bastard
You would think all the LIES he has told and all the lives that are now gone because of him and his stupidity would have done it.It took thousands of innocent people in front of cameras begging for food and water instead. My heart breaks every day for those people who had to suffer and die,while he strummed a guitar and ate birthday cake with that asshole John McCain.I want to see HIM suffer....and punished for what he has done.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:33 PM
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15. what made Katrina so credible
was it was right there for the world to see, and no amount of lies and spin could help his sorry ass.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:27 PM
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27. john mccain got bush back
whether he meant to or not. Karma has it's way.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:32 PM
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14. I would not be so unhappy with his bad karma...
if he had not given the rest of us bad collective karma at the same time. The USA has killed too many innocent women and children here and in Iraq, we are in for bad karma as a nation.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:43 PM
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18. ya, but he is taking us with him -- what's fair about that?
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:46 PM
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20. I never claimed that anything was "fair"
Life is not "fair"
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:00 PM
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21. I am sure it isn't -- but it does diminish the silver lining effect
don't you think? I am not being critical -- I cling to silver linings of this kind myself -- it just sucks big time that we all have to pay...
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:44 PM
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19. The only problem
is that Bush is not paying enough by a long shot and the NEXT president is guaranteed to face worse as the Bush people devastate things in advance. And the next president will pay as ACCEPTING responsibility. It will be a field day whenever it happens, the debt of the future mounting like waters against shoddy levees.

No there is no upside to learning the hard way and then having to pay whatever price is left over to stupidly enable a comeback of the same false Americans.

We should have been rallying to the obvious challenges of global warming. We can't even get around the obstructive twerp who stole his way into top dog status. We are not allowed to even get at the job of learning the real lessons of our sufferings now.

And WHAT consequences does Bush suffer in fact? What accountability is making them change their ways at all? The learning process stops for dead people, is postponed for those struggling to save themselves. It's like war. Like the excitement and greatness of history and political struggle. It is about foolishness and extraordinary, unnecessary waste, lasting damage, the failures of citizenship.
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:04 PM
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22. Sorry
No amount of amusing bad karma is gonna make all the death he's caused reverse itself.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:04 PM
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23. That's a good point. If Kerry had (won) he would have to deal with the
completely untenable situation that * left. In fact whoever gets in the next time will likely have limited to no success, just because it's so fucked up that it will take generations to fix.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:14 PM
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24. Americans will be paying for this war & the rich's big party for
generations.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:27 PM
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28. That's what people said about Raygun and Poppy's deficit as well.
But it only took Clinton a few short years to put us back in black. The problem is people get bored with prosperity and whatever good the next Dem does in office will be ruined within a year by the next neo-con. This really isn't anything 8 years of good government can't handle again.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:20 PM
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32. I wish I shared your optimism.
I have a feeling that when these idiots are done, it is going to take a lot longer than eight years of good government. That is even if we get "good government."
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:26 PM
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33. The important thing is getting back in there.
With Diebold and the way the Pukes stack the deck it's going to be damn hard but I honestly believe if we get some sane leadership we'll be ok.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:32 PM
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36. Whatever you do - do not let the 'mystic' of diebold keep you apathetic
or from voting. Please do not let it become a wedge between you and a moderate - who may believe in all manner of Rove trick & voter suppression - but just doesn't agree that data was morphed inside the machine.

BUSH WH - as always will stir the pot and encourage divisiveness amongst the Dem big tent. Look for the Diebold issue to not be transparent as long as they are in power.

But come 2006 - we will have the tools to start an investigation that can satisfy us all.

Courage.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:35 PM
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40. Oh it won't keep me from voting or ranting against these bastards.
Not at all, it just seems to be an uphill battle to get a fair election.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:46 PM
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41. Good! Vote! Cause otherwise they would have successfully suppressed
your vote with all their "mystery".
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:57 PM
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43. I vote in every election and work with my Union to get out the vote & all.
Don't worry, their bullshit isn't going to stop me from doing the right thing.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:14 PM
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47. Spread that around. Because as soon as the Dems get in - the
change to transparency in elections can begin.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:17 PM
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25. "Stay out of the bushes."
Jesse warned 'em. I can still remember the speech he gave at the Democratic convention, where he spelled it out crystal clear and yet people and the press still decided to try another Bush.

Hopefully this will spell the end of the right-wing agenda for many years to come.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:22 PM
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26. like a bad fucking novel

THE. END.



this goes for Jeb and his criminal offspring, too!!
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Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:52 PM
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29. I've had a similar feeling
It's not that I'm "glad" about any of this, maybe that's not the right word. But it's more like I just feel an abiding awe and respect for Reality, and for how it catches up to anyone who tries to sidestep it. Sometimes slowly, but inexorably -- Reality always wins. It's true for all of us, and has happened to most any human at some time or another. Sometimes the chickens that come home to roost are harmless enough, when we try to cheat Reality on trivial matters (the broken remnants in the bottom of the cookie bag don't have any calories), and sometimes they are devastating (we can divert money from fixing the levee and ship the National Guard to Iraq nothing bad will happen).

I personally have had to deal with the clean-up efforts of my own various misbegotten attempts to deny reality. There's nothing like consequences to teach a person that the only thing worse than facing unpleasant facts is not facing them...but Junior hasn't had to deal with consequences of his own bad judgement. Because of his family wealth and connections, he's never had to learn that those big ugly chickens will eventually come home. And the longer their arrival is delayed, the uglier it is. So that's what I've been thinking, that finally there appear to be some consequences that can't be dismissed with a wave of the hand and a few photo ops.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:17 PM
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31. I am fucking sick that shrubby got back into the WhiteHouse...
everything this m-fer touches turns to shit. This guy is a walking clusterfuck who couldn't manage his way out of a wet dream. He has no people skills, no humility, no ambitions except for power, no desire to learn, and he is as greedy as they come. His "people" manipulate him and, for that, we all are stuck paying.

9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, Katrina...too many people are dying on this dickhead's watch. I hope when he is finally kicked out of office that he crawls in a fucking hole and I never have to see his face or hear that annoying "Texas drawl"...as fake as it is.

Fuck that piece of shit.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:01 PM
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38. oooooooooooo
keep it comin' :D
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:29 PM
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35. IMHO the Karma train needs to run more frequently
And make far more stops. Bushie and crew can't avoid it forever.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:01 PM
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37. Bush is a puppet.
Unfortunately, the puppeteers are much less affected by what is happening. But it's fun to watch his strings get all tangled up!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:12 PM
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39. Maybe people are learning
:shrug: And it is nice to dump his little ego.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:54 PM
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42. Rethugs do better in the minority
They dont know how to lead successfully and are better at slinging arrows at those of us who do.

Their record speaks for itself. They lost when they had complete control . Their results are pathetic.

They were more effective when they were the minority because its easier to yell and call names than it is to be great leaders.

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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:04 PM
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44. Karmic blowback for hiding the war dead
For not allowing anyone to see the flag-draped coffins.

For not attending the funerals of fallen soldiers.

For pressuring the media not to show photos of maimed and dead Iraqi citizens.

But I don't know what Bush's decline will gain us. I don't know that people are turning away from the right wing, but only from Bush. I fear it will take a massive economic catastrophe before people understand just how much has been stolen from them.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:06 PM
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45. CatWoman speaks the freakin' truth.
:toast:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:07 PM
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46. What Nader said in 2004:
It's gotta get worse before it gets better.

It pissed me off when he said that. Now it pisses me off more that he's right.
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