Question about the "I admire Hitler" quote...

[Ladyhawk]

My mother the freeper says that the quote was taken out of context and that Arnold went on to say that Hitler did very bad things, but that he admired him for being able to come from nothing to unite a country.

Enlighten me.

She also said that he spent a lot of money on finding Nazi war criminals, but it is my understanding that he did so only after it was discovered daddy was a brown shirt.

[lindashaw]

1. I am really against Arnold winning this thing, but if you think about

how some 13-year-old kid could say that...he wouldn't have to like the man to say that.

[NewJerseyDem]

2. He did critisize Hitler

Apparently the quote that was originally written about left out some words. He said at the end that he didn't like what he did with his power. However, the first story about it left out the didn't and just said that he liked what he did with his power.

Schwarzeneger was basically saying that he admired how Hitler achieved power and became so popular but felt that he used it for bad things.

It is weird, though, to admire Hitler in anyway and to enjoy the idea of be so popular that everyone is practically brainwashed to like you. It leaves you wondering if that is the only reason he wants to be governor.

[swordofpork]

3. I agree

As much as I stand against his politics and consider myself a leftie, I have to agree. Surely there's more than enough criticism that can be levelled at Arnold "shake up sacto by shaking up sacto" Schwarzenegger without resorting to the out of context headline friendly smash and grabs I normally associate with the right. I'd like to see the sentences prior to and following the quote. For the record, Hitler IS recognised as a magnificent orator and exceptional leader, regardless of his politics. I'm a Tottenham fan but it doesn't mean Arsenal can't play.

[newyawker99]

11. Hi swordofpork!!

Welcomet of DU!! :toast:

[barbaraann]

4. The relevant thing is that Arnold will bring fascism to California

and possibly to our nation. There was an article from a British paper posted in the last couple of days about this and it really explained it clearly. The message of Arnold Schwarzenegger is that you should trust a man to lead rather than a government---and that is how Germany got into deep, deep trouble.

I lived in Germany for many years not too long after WWII and I have to say that there was a very common meme among Germans that Hitler did do some good things even though he was evil. I heard repeatedly that "Hitler built the autobahns." So, truthfully, I can't fault Arnold for saying as a child that Hitler wasn't all bad. I think that the Germans had to have a little shred of rationalization to hold onto for their behavior after the Hitler years to go on living.

[Yupster]

5. But everyone does some good

No one is pure evil. They can't be.

[lindashaw]

6. I can remember films of Hitler. The man could virtually hypnotize

the masses. And it's my opinion that Karl Rove has done some serious study into Hitler's methods.

[salin]

21. edited

nevermind.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

24. Can you tell me one thing that Hitler did that was good?

[Yupster]

32. One good thing Hitler did

He had the autobahns built giving Germany the best highway system in the world in the 30's, and maybe still today.

[OldSoldier]

25. You haven't looked at Chimpy lately, eh?

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[symbolman]

7. Pass this around

My Free graphic at Take Back the Media, a picture tells a thousand words --

[eleny]

8. Why not ask the freeper

to list the things they admire about hitler. if they have none, well then, that's that. after all, why choose hitler as the person to admire for their rise from poverty to power? why not look to people like soros who also rose from rags to riches - but use their riches for good.

and if they give you even a short list of why they admire hitler, i'd just say that i'm speechless. i might ask them if they were pro nazi. no matter what they answeered, i'd then terminate the dialog by saying that there was no need to go any further.

it might leave them with a lot to think about if you used as few words as possible and sound very centered in your philosophy.

[union_maid]

9. It's kind of weird to think of Hitler at all

When you're thinking of people you admire, do people like that come to mind even if don't like everything they did? Do you think, well, I really admire Torquemada's devotion to his religion? Mussolini had good organizational skills? Or do you just generally feel such revulsion for a characters of that sort that you'd never think to have "admire" and "Hitler" in the same sentence? I'm not saying that what he wrote should be a huge deal, especially with everything else that's come out about him, but I have to admit that I view admiring statements about Hitler, no matter what it is you're admiring about him, with grave suspicion.

[Yupster]

12. Mussolini had

good organizational skills? That one didn't come to my mind.

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. A common comment about Mussolini in Britain

"he did make the trains run on time". It's rather on the level of "but some of my best friends are <fill in minority>". If you think that someone is not using it ironically, suspect they're a far right-winger.

[Yupster]

13. Not so weird to think of Hitler if

you grew up in Austria during the 50's and 60's. Every adult man would have served in the army. Ten percent of the population was killed in the war. Buildings, especially in Vienna would still have the scars of the battles. It would be a lot more in people's minds than the Spanish Inquisition.

I think it would be closer to asking a Georgian teenager in 1885 why he thought of the Civil War? Maybe it was all the men walking around the streets without arms or legs, or the fact that every family knew someone killed in the war. Maybe it was the talk of burned out farms, and robbed silverware, and veterans telling their battle stories.

It doesn't seem weird at all to me that someone who grew up after the war in Austria sometimes thought of Hitler.

[inthecorneroverhere]

10. daddy was SS, not SA

Daddy was SS, not just a measly brown shirt.

SS were responsible for a lot more war crimes than the 1930s era SA, that were also known as brown shirts. SS had black uniforms, while SA wore khaki or brown duds. SS were generally prosecutable by the Allies, while those who had been running around with the SA in 1933, but dropped out of Nazi activities afterward, generally were not prosecutable.

SS was very small until the late 1930s. SA, which was large and running around the streets of Germany in the late 1920s-1934, pretty much faded out after the Rohm Putsch, which BTW was aimed largely against gays and economic leftists within the SA and Nazi Party. After 1934, there were essentially no more economic leftists among the nazis, although there had been some present prior to the Rohm putsch. The SA had basically no duties during WWII.

http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/sa-history.htm

SS and the Gestapo were the ones who committed most of the war crimes.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

23. That's incorrect. Gustav was definitely SA...

Nazi past of Arnie's father
<http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6968866%255E2,00.html>

"A document found in Austrian archives by The Los Angeles Times shows that Gustav Schwarzenegger joined the Sturmabteilungen (the SA) "storm troops" on May 1, 1939, about six months after the Brownshirts ransacked Jewish homes, businesses and synagogues across Germany and Austria on Kristallnacht."

...snip...

"Other papers now available in the Austrian archives show that Gustav Schwarzenegger served as a military policeman with German army units during the invasions of Poland and France and on the brutal Eastern Front as German troops rampaged into Russia and laid siege to Leningrad.

The Austrian records show that Gustav Schwarzenegger may have been wounded before leaving the German army in 1943."

No Ties Found to Candidate ’s Father,War Crimes
<http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/national/20030909/20030909A13.pdf>

"Gustav Schwarzenegger was a Nazi Party member who served with the Sturmabteilungen (SA) paramilitary unit,known as storm troopers, according to recently released documents. But records in Austria, Germany and the United States do not implicate the elder Schwarzenegger or his SA unit 521 in wartime atrocities, said Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder of the Wiesenthal Center."

MY NOTE: As noted above, Gustav served as a military policeman following the invasions of Poland, France, and the old Soviet Union. This tells me that as a member of the SA, he probably WAS involved in the capture and "elimination" of individuals deemed to have no worth to the Third Reich.

[Snellius]

14. He was asked "Who are your heroes?"

Let's play word association. Let's look at it from a psychological point of view. Regardless of whether Arnold was a fascist or not, he was asked the question "Who are your heroes?" Now, yes, he said Kennedy and Jesus too. Not for what they stood for but because they were worshipped like a god. But the first name that came to his mind when asked "Who are your heroes?" was Adolf Hitler. That is revealing in and of itself.

[w4rma]

15. "I admire him … for what he did with it."

…
Asked who his heroes are, he answered, "I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power. I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for what he did with it."
…
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/Politics/arnold031002_past.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=458979#459160

[Frodo]

20. You haven't been following the story -

The original source for that quote has corrected it. He did NOT say he "admired him for what he did with it" but rather the exact opposite of that.


Still kinda wierd to come up with Hitler as an answer to that question.

[Oilwellian]

31. So why did Arnie try and buy the transcripts?

"Inside Edition," a TV news magazine, televised outtakes Friday night from the 1975 documentary "Pumping Iron." In it, the young bodybuilder talks about America's problems.

"I think we can't live without authority," Schwarzenegger said. "There's a certain amount of people meant to be leaders, and to control, and another large amount, 95 percent, are followers.

"We have to tell (them) what to do and how to keep in order, you know?"


ALLEGED ADMIRATION OF HITLER
ABC News and the New York Times reported Thursday that other outtakes from the documentary reportedly show the actor expressing admiration for Hitler. In the early 1990s, Schwarzenegger spent more than $1 million to buy all rights to the movie, its outtakes and any transcripts from the documentary.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/10/04/MN231560.DTL

There's also this:
Just in case you don't know every last embarrassing detail of the Nazi allegations, this is what's in The New York Times today:

In addition to the transcript, Mr. Butler wrote in his book proposal that in the 1970's, he considered Mr. Schwarzenegger a "flagrant, outspoken admirer of Hitler." In the proposal, Mr. Butler also said he had seen Mr. Schwarzenegger playing "Nazi marching songs from long-playing records in his collection at home" and said that the actor "frequently clicked his heels and pretended to be an S.S. officer."...

The Times also reports that George Butler is backpedaling desperately:

...early this morning, Mr. Butler called back, saying he had driven back to his New Hampshire home and found another transcript of the interview, with different wording: "I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for his way of getting to the people and so on. But I didn't admire him for what he did with it. It's very hard to say who I admire, who are my heroes."

Mr. Butler that his transcribers had had difficulty rendering Mr. Schwarzenegger's remarks because of his accent and said the only way to resolve the discrepancy was to listen to the tapes, which are in Mr. Schwarznegger's possession.

And I guess Arnold really wasn't clicking his heels and imitating an SS officer -- he was really doing the Electric Slide, but Butler couldn't tell because Arnold's feet move with an Austrian accent.
http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2003_09_28_nomoremister_archive.html#106519649006542026

[slaveplanet]

16. If one were to describe

Schwarzenegger’s personality in one word, it would be Machiavellian. He has given abundant evidence of this, even during his bodybuilding days. His signature cinematic effort, “Pumping Iron,” showcased his cynicism. “The genuinely creepy moments come two-thirds in. In one scene, he brags about missing his father’s funeral in order to train for a competition. Talking about his chief rival, Lou Ferrigno (who went on to become TV’s ‘Incredible Hulk’), Schwarzenegger tells the documentary camera, ‘It doesn’t matter if he’s in shape or out of shape.’ He plans on messing with his mind. ‘I will mix him up. He will come so ready, but the next morning, he will be ready to lose.’ Of this form of psychological manipulation, he says, ‘All these things are available, and so if they’re available, you might as well use them.’ He smiles, and at this point he looks downright sinister.” (“Film Probes Beyond Muscles” by Mick LaSalle; San Francisco Chronicle; 8/15/2003; p. D17.)


{The above quote is one that touches on the real problem with Arnold. You have to examine the facts and not be led by the recent media releases.Dig further It's your job as a voter.See his real character.

1. As outlined on last nights, Drudge report 10/5/03. These reveletions are not new, nor are they a last minute attack. They have serious foundations, have been around for years, and barely scratch the surface of Arnold's real character.
2.Drudge and his guest laid out the fact that Hollywood and the Hollywood press is driven by one thing and one thing only-GREEN. Arnold has worked for EVERY major studio.What hurts him hurts Hollywood.Thus these stories never had any legs when prior reports were brought forth.
3.The difference now is that he WILL be in position of public trust. Character MATTERS period.
4. The Nazi matter is a sore spot for him and he will go to ANY length to nip that bud before it grows. Notoriously tight with a buck, he has spent Millions to recover(And DESTROY) the outakes of the PUMPING IRON footage removed from final release.....THIS IS THE REAL STORY, not the book proposal quote(just more diversion,and fodder that let's him explian things away IMO)
5. The ADL/Weisenthal issue is a pure political move, he was WELL aware of his father and mother's Nazi ties before they(Adl/weis) entered the picture.
6.His Father Joined the Brownshirts before it was legal to do so as an Austrian citizen, and contrary to the story that he was just a small town postwar police chief. He actually had enough pull to get Arnold coveted tank driver duty in the Austrian army when he was 18....it's mandatory for everyone else to be 21 for that position.It get's worse, Arnold forgot to engage the parking brake of the tank in his charge, and sank it in a nearby river. No record exists of any disciplinary action. He left AWOL to continue Bodybuilding training. Again No disciplinary action.....Is any of this beginning to sound familiar?
7.His Ties and support for Kurt Waldhiem(Known Underground Reich operative) go well beyond the 1986 gaffe.
8. His mother remarried a member of the Austrian Parliment(someone with much more sinister ties to the Reich than even Arnie's father, Gustav.)

None of the Above seems to take on much Importance or even raise an eyebrow in Hollywood, because all they see is GREEN. But now that he is going to take charge of the worlds 5th largest economy.....IT SHOULD TO YOU.

Read this following little story of His 1980 Mr Olympia bid for more insight into his true character....and think hard before you place your vote. /Don't take the Enron Complicity lightly. There was a very good reason he was invited and in attendance that day./}

-snip-
Equally revealing of Schwarzenegger’s character is his Machiavellian, cynical behavior toward Frank Zane, one of his successors as Mr. Olympia.

“In August 1980, Arnold, now known in the bodybuilding community chiefly as CBS commentator and, along with Jim Lorimer, producer of bodybuilding shows, attended the Miss Olympia contest at the Philadelphia Sheraton. Rick Wayne, there to cover the show for a Wieder magazine, interviewed Arnold afterward. Casually, Rick asked Arnold, who had now been retired from bodybuilding for five years, if he would ever consider making a comeback. ‘No,’ Arnold said firmly. ‘No amount of money could tempt me out of retirement.’ The only reason he had been training, he told Rick, ws that he was rehearsing for his part as bodybuilder Mickey Hargitay in the upcoming The Jayne Mansfield Story. As an aside he mentioned that he was planning to be in Australia for the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest, having just been signed by CBS as commentator for the event. Rick, ending the interview, believed every word that Arnold had said.” (Arnold: The Unauthorized Biography; pp. 178-179.)
      “Meanwhile, back on the West Coast, the reigning Mr. Olympia, Frank Zane, had suffered a severe setback. Eight weeks before the contest in which he expected to win his fourth Mr. Olympia title, Frank met with a terrible accident that almost killed him. After a spell in the hospital, on the verge of withdrawing from the contest, Frank approached Arnold and asked his advice. The accident, he said, had weakened him, interrupted his training, and left its mark. Should he still compete in the 1980 Mr. Olympia or back out of the whole thing? Arnold, whom Frank habitually viewed as a friend and coach, thought for a moment, then said that he strongly believed that Frank should go to Australia and defend his Mr. Olympia title. As an afterthought, Frank, a man who is nobody’s fool and had been Arnold’s friend for more than twelve years, casually asked him if he planned to compete. No, said Arnold. He was going to Australia to do commentary on the Olympia for CBS—that was all.” (Ibid.; p. 179.)
     “Two weeks before the 1980 Mr. Olympia Arnold fell ill, losing ten pounds. That didn’t deter him from giving an interview to Austrian journalist Roman Schliesser, who wrote about Arnold on a regular basis in his column ‘Adabei’ for the Viennese paper Die Kronen Zeitung. And if Mentzer, Zane, et al, had subscribed to Die Kronen Zeitung and had been fortunate enough to understand German, they would not have been at all surprised by the events that took place subsequently in Sydney, Australia. For Arnold had quite openly revealed to Schliesser, ‘On October 4th the next Mr. Olympia will be chosen In Sydney. I’m a sports commentator for CBS television. But I’m doing it. I’ve trained for six weeks. . . . I’m against Frank Zane who was Mr. Olympia three times, but they will all cry when I win again.’ Schliesser’s article was published on September 28th, just six days before Arnold dropped his bombshell on the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest.” (Ibid.; pp. 180-181.)

EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT

for more info go to refer "For the record" #420, 421 & 422......sound files also available http://wfmu.org/playlists/dx

[MetaTrope]

22. Braking Engagement

"Arnold forgot to engage the parking brake of the tank in his charge, and sank it in a nearby river."

I wonder if Arnold also drove for Marvin Bush's babysitter?

[slackmaster]

17. Here's an explanation FWIW

If a quotation sounds out of context and is presented by someone with an agenda against the person who allegedly made the quoted statement, it's not unreasonable to assume the statement is in fact out of context.

Arnold Schwarzenegger's gubernatorial campaign released the following statement Friday from "Pumping Iron, director George Butler, who news organizations say was the source of the transcripts of interviews in which Schwarzenegger expresses admiration for Adolf Hitler. The campaign said it did not solicit the statement from Butler:

<snip>

I have been asked whether I have the actual outtakes. I do not have the outtakes. However, here are the relevant paragraphs taken from the transcripts described above:

"In many ways I admired people – it depends for what. I admired Hitler for instance because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power. And I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for his way of getting to the people and so on. But I didn't admire him for what he did with it. It's very hard to say who I admired and who are my heroes. And I admire basically people who are powerful people, like (President) Kennedy. Who people listened to and just wait until he comes out with telling them what to do. People like that I admire a lot."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/recall/20031003-1815-ca-recall-transcripts-statement.html

[LeahMira]

19. Bottom Line... for me

My mother the freeper says that the quote was taken out of context and that Arnold went on to say that Hitler did very bad things, but that he admired him for being able to come from nothing to unite a country.

Whether the quote was taken out of context or not, and whatever qualifications Arnold might put on his statement either now or then, the bottom line for me is that through history there have many, many other fine public speakers who came from humble beginnings and were able to serve their country well. It is unfortunate indeed that the only individual who comes immediately to mind for Arnold happens to be Hitler.

It seems that Arnold's range is limited.

[Robb]

26. That's spot on right

Hitler was always the name invoked by the less creative students at the front of every class -- "Well, but what about Hitler?"

Speaking of college, I remember my wife wrote a paper explaining how France caused WWII. It was a great rhetorical piece, but she didn't believe it.

The only upside, to me, in this story is it shows somewhere there are some Dems who are willing to get down in the mud to fight the GOP. It's an ugly place to be, but I think it's going to be a requirement in the future. A dumb place to get in the mud, to be sure, but it's good someone's willing to go there.

[Sideways]

27. Arnold Is a Classic Narcissist

He wants to be adored for no other reason than he believes he is WORTHY of adoration. Narcissism is a personality DISORDER. That is why he can act vile and vulgar towards people and never see how unacceptable his actions are.

I'm sorry but a fascist narcissist is a very frightening combination. Arnold is a twisted sick fuck. IMHO the reason he admires Hitler is because he held absolute power by fear. That power is a drug to a narcissist. Arnold is a power/control junkie with a mean streak.

[slackmaster]

28. THAT is the most accurate assessment I've seen yet

A toast to the post!

:toast:

Narcissism is a personality DISORDER. That is why he can act vile and vulgar towards people and never see how unacceptable his actions are.

Being a true Narcissist, Arnold truly believes that all he has to do to atone for anything he does that turns out to be unpopular is say he's sorry. He'll do it again and again and again but deep inside he'll always be the same crude, vulgar, egoistic person.

[Sideways]

30. As A Victim Of A Narcissist I Know What The Shit I'm Talking About

These fuckers have no SOUL. They will suck yours dry in a heartbeat. It is all about control. They have NO conscience and will drive you crazy. Look at his fucking wife.

Whatever Maria is suffering from be it drugs or anorexia Arnold has driven her there. Trust me these creeps are master manipulaters and will send their prey into hell.

My fucking creep (after I figured his shit out) didn't realize I was smater and stronger than him. The drama is still unfolding but my creep is soon to be shit and let's hope Arnie isn't far behind.

[Drifter]

29. I think this is a dead issue ...

Arnold probably said this things, and when taken out of context, they sound bad. I do no believe for a second that Arnold is a Nazi sympathyzer. There are plenty more reasons to prevent this peice of shit from becomming Governor.

Cheers
Drifter