Here goes Schumer..."You are deeply troubling. So I'll vote YES."

[Atman]

Is this anything more than ear-candy for his constituents? Is he going to back up any of this with a NO vote?

I doubt it.

[AlCzervik]

1. i wish these senators would vote like they won't be running for reelection

i wish they'd vote they were representing---oh i dunno, "We the people"

[Jersey Devil]

2. Why are you taking shots at Schumer?

I doubt he said that and think you made up the quote.

[Atman]

3. Of course I made up the quote.

No wonder we keep losing elections. We question every little bit of minutae at the expense of the larger points.

And yes, I AM taking a shot at Schumer. If he votes NO, I'll retract it. But I am sick to fucking death of hearing these blowhards sit there and mug for their next campaign commercials, without taking any substantive steps to stop the Bush juggernaut. They're handing our country over to extremists without even so much as slap-fight.

[converted_democrat]

4. Spot on!! n/t

[demnan]

5. I'm with you

we found out in the 2000 election that all the Democratic Senators were full of shit when none of them stood up with Black members of Congress to protest the stolen vote. Sure they'll all vote for him except for the usual holdouts, Kennedy and Feinstein.

That's why they had to kill Wellstone. He would have stood up.

[Bucky]

6. Wellstone was in the Senate in 2000. He didn't rock the boat then.

I admire Paul Wellstone, but we really ought to avoid the hagiography.

[wtmusic]

8. Afterwards he and Kerry will go have a drink

at the Knuckle Under Club.

[Jersey Devil]

10. Hang him and have the trial later, huh?

What "substantive steps" do you expect Democrats to take to "stop the Bush juggernaut"? Even Houdini can't turn 45 votes into 51 votes.

Sure Schumer should vote NO and I would also criticize him if he didn't. But I think it is absurd to anticipate that he will vote for Roberts when everything he's said so far indicates he will not.

[converted_democrat]

15. Come on.... Our representation has been lacking for a long time.

When have they, or he, "really" done anything for us recently?? When have we been truly represented?? We haven't. When people hire a lawyer, and the lawyer fails to represent, they can the lawyer. For some reason though, some Dem's think that we should defend our leaders just because they have a D after their name. Fuck that, that's why we are losing.

Edit- for my awful grammar

[Tesha]

18. THE DEMOCRATS SHOULD VOTE NO *SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO*!

> What "substantive steps" do you expect Democrats to take to "stop the Bush juggernaut"?

THE DEMOCRATS SHOULD VOTE NO *SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO*!

(And yes, I'm shouting, because this seems to be a principle that they
can't get through their heads no matter how many times we've tried to
teach it to them. It would be far better for the Dems, in the long
run, *IF THEY ACTUALLY STOOD FOR SOMETHING* than if every vote they
cast was simply an attempt to prevent some Republican saying something
nasty about them come the next election.

'Doesn't matter; the Republicans will *STILL* say nasty things about
them!)

Tesha

[wtmusic]

20. No No No

Politics is all about appeasement now. "Standing for something" is so old school..if we could all just agree to not be so divisive and be content with whatever crumbs fall off the GOP table...

[Frances]

11. The reason we lose elections is that

Dems don't stick together. Now that Bush is down, I read post after post here on DU of people attacking...DEMS!

Now is the time to attack...REPUBS! But that assumes that you really want to change the direction of the country and feel like a winner, not a whiner.

[LSK]

7. so your just trying to get it out of your system in advance

I'll wait for someone to do the crime before I send him to jail.

[Freddie Stubbs]

9. He actually said that he would vote "yes?"

:shrug:

[LSK]

12. when?

[Jersey Devil]

13. Of course not, but I think he expects Schumer to turn water into wine

When Roberts is confirmed it will be Chuck Schumer's fault because he can't walk on water, can't turn fish into loaves and can't make 51 votes out of 45.

[Atman]

16. Bite me

You're obviously a strong Schumer fan. I am asking no Jesus-like behavior, although your worship of him leads me to believe he must be some sort of saint, I missed the annointing.

I'm sorry for making the larger point that all this blustering and pontificating is just that if these clowns just keep voting YES when they're done. If you can show me something that says Schumer plans to vote no, I'll take it. But I've seen these guys do this shit too many times, and I'm sick of it.

[Jersey Devil]

22. "Bite me"? Is that how you want your Dem pols to act?

No, I am not a particularly big fan of Schumer and I certainly do not worship him.

But I do not condemn people for doing things they have not done yet nor do I treat others here as you do, with snarky dismissals when they do not agree with me.

[Atman]

23. Sorry, my snarky dismissal was dismissing your snarky dismissal.

It's a two-way street, snarky.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

14. Schumer voted against roberts in '03.

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050909/1059523.asp

[Atman]

17. Thanks you, wakeme. I will refrain from further blasting

until I see how he votes this time.

I appreciate your actually adding something constructive to the thread instead of just bashing me for being concerned that we're going to get sold down the river again by our "representatives."

[Jersey Devil]

25. What a sport!

A truly generous act of compassion.

[WePurrsevere]

19. Did I miss something? Why shots at Schumer & not Hillary?

I sent them both emails about Roberts and got the basic canned diplomatic "I'm reserving judgement until... (yada yada yada)" letter from both of them.

[Atman]

24. Because I watching Schumer on teevee, not Hillary

No other reason. Without reinvigorating a favorite flame war, I'm pretty disgusted with the Clintons these days, too.

[WePurrsevere]

26. Ah okay... figured something had to be the trigger.

Thanks for clarifying "why".B-)

[DS1]

21. I don't even know why they call the confirmation hearings a battle

it's more like a big, grinning, cash-infused circle jerk.