George Galloway/Christopher Hitchens Debate (7 pm EST)

[RSchewe]

Starting soon, for those that are interested.

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/135259.php

Streaming at:

http://kpftx.org and http://www.thejourneyradio.org

[reprehensor]

1. It's gonna be sweet.

Also;

Streaming at Democracy Now!

[RSchewe]

2. Even better, Thanks! Here is the direct video link...

http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demnow/live/live.rm&pro...

[cal04]

3. Lots of people there. I can't wait to see him kick some butt

BBC today program is there too
I hope he gives all the facts that we don't here, going back to when we were aiding Saddam

[KyndCulture]

4. Anything going on? I don't see anything on that link yet.

[Barrett808]

5. Looks like it hasn't started yet...technical issues... n/t

[Armstead]

7. Empty stage so far

[RSchewe]

6. Looks like a late start. I am going to stay tuned in. n/t

[davidlynch]

8. There is Some Chick Futzing with the Podium n/t

[RSchewe]

9. haha... The one with the tanktop?

I don't know what the heck is going on. You would think it would be ready ahead of time.

[davidlynch]

10. Yep, that's the one (plus the feed dropped)--Very Poor Technical Execution

[davidlynch]

OK--7:30 Is Official Start Time

Metal Detectors causing grief

[davidlynch]

13. OK 7:30 Is Official Start Time

[Jacobin]

11. .

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

12. Delay because of metal detectors. Starting in about 8 minutes. nt

[AlamoDemoc]

14. They have just announced the debate will start @ 7:30pm EST

[davidlynch]

15. Podium says "THE NEW PRESS"--Very Boring n/t

[davidlynch]

16. Man I Can Hear the "Hubbub" or "Roar"--Tons of People There

Sounds like a huge crowd

[AlamoDemoc]

17. Lights, Camera, Action...lets go

[davidlynch]

18. OK--Jennifer Rush at the Baruch College Podium Now n/t

[davidlynch]

19. Oh Babe--Amy Is In the House! n/t

[eissa]

20. Is the screen black for anyone?

I can hardly see a thing!

[davidlynch]

21. Dark But Not Black n/t

[AlamoDemoc]

22. Yes...I can't see anything...where are the lights?

[RSchewe]

23. The video picture has to be tweaked. I could hardly see anything with...

the default settings.

[davidlynch]

24. Good Much Brighter Now (But Poor Camera Work--Swish Pans) n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. Yay! There's Amy! n/t

[morgan2]

26. delete

[davidlynch]

27. Wow Surprising Support for Christopher Hitchens in the Audience n/t

[i have issues]

28. Hitchens equating anti war politics with appeasment

ugh, I can't stand this guy.

[Barrett808]

29. "false dilemma" fallacy n/t

[davidlynch]

30. I Know--Worst Part is He Is Very Bright--Very Dangerous n/t

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

31. And obviously very much bought and paid for. He actually used to

do wonderful work.

[Barrett808]

32. Good crowd response to his "necessary and just" argument n/t

[Barrett808]

37. He's reprising the 10 points from his Weekly Standard piece

Juan Cole has already rubbished all 10 of his arugments.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

40. The Weekly Standard=The Neocon House Organ. nt

[i have issues]

33. Can't wait for galloway to skewer him.

[cal04]

36. me too. I hope he's taking lots of notes . We have not made life

better for these people

[stlsaxman]

165. And Galloway praised him for that good work he used to do...

Touche'

[ZinZen]

39. I don't think Hitchen's is brilliant

I can poke so many holes in so many of his "facts" it is embarrassing.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

He doesn't believe the shit he's being paid to spew. Once upon a time.....

[davidlynch]

34. Look It's Simple, The US Doesn't Depose Dictators Because they are Evil

Give me a break, as if we are that benevolent.

[reprehensor]

35. Wow! Hitchens isn't drunk!

But he's still got nothin'.

[i have issues]

42. maybe not "drunk" drunk but I bet he's had a few. just calld Galloway

A disgace! Take off the gloves James!!!!!

[wtmusic]

43. Galloway a disgrace!??

fuck him.

[Barrett808]

38. Say it with me, Chris: Iraq WAS disarmed n/t

[wtmusic]

41. Hitchens spent a lot of time with Kurds

his view is skewed by the people who suffered under Saddam the most.

[i have issues]

45. Go James GO!

Bringing up hitchens past!

[wtmusic]

44. Galloway: "Don't slobber over my remarks"

[i have issues]

49. First ever metamophasis of a butterfly into a slug! Right fuckin on!

[davidlynch]

46. Butterfly -> Slug Oh My God! n/t

[cal04]

47. from a butterfly to a slug

go george

[Synnical]

48. Oh, this is going to get ugly

[bpilgrim]

51. recording

peace

[notadmblnd]

52. I truley expect hitchens head to explode before he walks off

with his tail between his legs

[i have issues]

54. Galloway-- Greatest speaker EVER!!!!!!!!

[bpilgrim]

56. unspoken - cept here ;-> & unvarnished TRUTH spoken with the FORCE

it RIGHTFULLY deserves is very cathartic

peace

[bpilgrim]

76. defends Fallujah :puke:

trys to hide our FASCISM by pointing the finger at the other side

peace

[wtmusic]

50. Galloway on Hitchens: The first ever metamorphosis

of a butterfly into a slug

*sides ache*

[bpilgrim]

53. calls him to the carpet for his dispicable insults trown at Cindy Sheehan

peace

[bpilgrim]

55. Are you with the foreign occupation or with the right of the people of IRA

resisting the VIOLENCE inflicted upon them

peace

[davidlynch]

57. OK, NOW HE'S SMASHING HITCH TO SMITHEREENS

[wtmusic]

58. steamrolling him

I hope Hitch brought his pocket flask

[cal04]

62. George needs to get the New Yorkers on his side. There are lots

who agree with Bush.
I hope he can change some minds here

[bpilgrim]

59. any FUCK-HEAD who STILL endorses the neoCONs are SICK.

even the permanently DRUNK!

peace

[notadmblnd]

63. you should go look at this..

cause theres a ton of them here.

http://www.stopthewar.thejourneyradio.org/chatroom.html

[i have issues]

60. Galoways giving me chills...

What's your response souse?

[bpilgrim]

61. OUR 2 COUNTRIES are the BIGGEST ROUGE STATES in the WORLD, TODAY

and why it is VITALLY IMPORTANT that the peoples of 2 countries stand SHOULDER TO SHOULDER to remove GEORGE W BUSH & ANTHONY BROWN

peace

[i have issues]

67. I'm glad I'm not there, I'd have bumrushed the stage by now

And started beating Hitchens senseless ...And I'M A PACIFIST!

[bpilgrim]

64. ASS HAT: THROWING UP STRAW-MEN?!

cheap, & therefore COMMON technique

peace

[bpilgrim]

66. dumb fuck brought up MUSLIM LAW as an INSULT in order to defend the

IRAQ WAR?!?

he ain't seen the new CONSTITUTION, i supposed

peace

[wtmusic]

68. hey bp

thought I might see you here

[bpilgrim]

71. ;-)

hey wtmusic

missed the first hour, though... D'oh!



peace

[wtmusic]

65. Hitch won't say invasion (it's an INTERVENTION) nt

[bpilgrim]

70. he's throw'n lots of insults and not dealing with the FACTS on the GROUND

and throwing plenty of the straw-man, everywhere.

peace

[converted_democrat]

75. Yea, well, I bet he has much experience with word intervention...n/t

[reprehensor]

69. Character Assassination.

Hitchens brought it on himself.

Pugilist for the empire.

You've got nothin' Hitch.

[bpilgrim]

73. whole lot admits that he ain't got much to say

thats fer sure l0l

peace

[reprehensor]

72. Hitchens is supposed to be 'justifying the war'.

He's got

n - o - t - h - i - n'

but attacks on Galloways character.

n - o - t - h - i - n'

[i have issues]

74. Nice, Insult the audience... Asshole.

[malaise]

79. Missed it

anyone have a link?

[bpilgrim]

77. How far has this warped neoCON thought seeped into our souls?

peace

[i have issues]

81. Oh this is getting deep.... Too much for the sheeple

[bpilgrim]

78. the freepers are booing Galloway when he brings up Palestine

peace

[AlamoDemoc]

86. I agree...there are too many Freepers in the audience tonight

Mind you Mr. Galloway had mentioned that HItchens has distributed fliers prior to this event...highliting his lies against Mr. Galloway

[Synnical]

88. Do ya think Galloway will bring up the Saudi's?

And US support of those dictators.

[Synnical]

80. Galloway: You may believe those planes on 9/11

Came out of the clear blue sky. I believe they came out of a swamp of hatred created by us.

Huge crowd response. Cheers and jeers. One dude yells out, "shut the fuck up" and something about GWB.

[i have issues]

83. "You picked the wrong city to say that in"! FUCK YOU HITCHENS!!!!

[Ksec]

157. Hitchens is an alcoholic with alcoholic fantasies

[wtmusic]

82. Hitch thinks snide can carry his argument

He does snide very well. It proves nothing and goes nowhere.

[davidlynch]

84. Why Are So Many Audience Members Supporting Hitch?

[cal04]

90. not surprised. There are lots of repubs in New York

and I'm sure many are from other places
We do have Bloomberg and Pataki

[lumberingbear]

85. Hitchens is babbling!

Jumping all over the place. And like GWB he can only make snide remarks.

[wtmusic]

89. HE SAID PIFFLE!!

The debate is over. How can Galloway come back from that???

[lumberingbear]

101. LOL!!!

[Synnical]

91. I was wondering if it was just me

'Cause I cannot stand that man.

[cal04]

87. someone give Galloway a picture of Rummy with Saddam

and shut Hitchens up

[bpilgrim]

92. you have the GAUL to talk about CORRUPTION in the ME - * and PAPPY r

up till their necks in it!

you should ASHAMED of yourself

peace

[bpilgrim]

93. Tells hitchens he's working for the DEVIL - BAM

peace

[wtmusic]

94. Galloway is running rings about him in historical depth

Hitchens has a rapier wit...just don't ask him to support his witticisms with facts

[fooj]

95. "You are now working for the devil. Damn you!"

Truth to power!



Peace.

[AlCzervik]

96. did you hear Galloway says that Hitchens was handing out leaflets about

his new book before the debate started? he's is so enjoyable to watch.

[reprehensor]

97. He can't handle the truth.

Hitchens works for fascists.

He'll say anything for his new masters.

[DinahMoeHum]

98. "You were a butterfly, but now you're a slug!"

[bpilgrim]

99. Did * engage in a systematic campaign to DECEIVE the american people

and the WORLD?

peace

[bpilgrim]

100. says they engaged in FEAR but the war is NOBLE prez was RIGHT!

peace

[Synnical]

102. Oh, yeah, Amy steps up

Trying walking around the facts with her, Hitchens!

[davidlynch]

103. HE IS JUST BABBLING AND NOT ANSWERING AMY'S QUESTION

[fooj]

104. I'm listening to audio. Is there a video I can hook up to?

Thanks!

[notadmblnd]

106. yes

www.democracynow.org

[AlamoDemoc]

105. What did I learned from this debate thus far:

Mr. Hitchens is two faced neo-con-flip-flopper

[AlamoDemoc]

118. Mr. Galloway is a master of turning in any giving issue

against his opponant...he's doing it now with Hitchens...and rightly so

[AlamoDemoc]

124. Which part of Iraq is Gen. Mayers is from?

classic

[bpilgrim]

107. NO ONE GAVE ANYONE THE BENIFIT OF THE DOUBT - WE ORDERED INSPECTIONS

peace

[cal04]

112. maybe it was the whiskey someone in the audience said that?

[reprehensor]

108. Galloway, Truthspeaker.

The US and British govs were Saddam's best buddies in the 80's when he was building up his strength.

It's true.

Britain almost sold more arms to Iraq than the U.S.

[Synnical]

109. Hitchens: Colin Powell is the most over-rated man in the world

Doesn't care what he said at the UN, never cared.

[davidlynch]

110. That Is Just Idiotic and Flippant--No Substance Reply

[myrmenki]

111. Seems he didn't even know what the

question was about.

[Just Me]

119. Powell said EXACTLY what the BushCO/neoCON regime told him,...

,...to say. He may be an opportunist, but he certainly did not independently engage in the bullshit presented to UN.

[Just Me]

113. I AM SO PISSED!!! I'VE TRIED EVERY STREAM AND CAN'T ACCESS,...

,...any of them. The ones I can get, play a segment then, stop.

GRRRRRR!!! I LOVE Galloway!!! I am so disappointed to miss this debate between a man dedicated to human conscience and potential versus a man who sunk to boxed-in ideology!!!

[bpilgrim]

114. recording ;-)

peace

[Just Me]

122. Love to ya', Billy!!!

I just wish I could hear this, ya' know.

[bpilgrim]

128. right back at ya JM

and i hear ya, i will go crazy if this stream cuts out again

Mr. Galloway is really making us proud

i will post as soon as it's over and post a link

thank GORE he 'invented' the INTERNETs

peace

[Just Me]

168. Thank Gore and thank YOU!!!! (((BIG HUG))))

With respect to Galloway,...sheesh,...he makes me feel things I haven't felt since my divorce (and way before) over two years ago. I cannot help myself.

[i have issues]

117. Dont worry this'll be archived all over the place....

[notadmblnd]

125. did you try this one?

http://www.stopthewar.thejourneyradio.org/index2.html

[scarletlib]

138. I saw this debate talked about on C-Span so I believe it will

be shown on either c-span 1 or 2 this weekend.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

181. It will be broadcast on CSPAN2

Sat. 9pm


Iraq War Debate
Galloway, George, Member, House of Commons, Labour, United Kingdom, Glasgow Kelvin
Goodman, Amy, Host, Pacifica Radio, Democracy Now!
Hitchens, Christopher, Columnist

George Galloway and Christopher Hitchens debate the war in Iraq.

George Galloway, opposed to the war in Iraq, is a member of the British Parliament and the author of Mr. Galloway Goes to Washington: The Brit Who Set Congress Straight About Iraq, published by New Press. The book tells the story of his recent appearance before the U.S. Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, where he verbally attacked U.S. Senators while responding to charges related to Iraq's oil-for-food program.

Christopher Hitchens, who supported the war in Iraq, is the author of Love, Poverty, and War: Journeys and Essays and Blood, Class and Empire: The Enduring Anglo-American Relationship published by Thunder's Mouth, Nation Books, and A Long Short War: The Postponed Liberation of Iraq, published by Plume.

The debate is moderated by Amy Goodman. She is the author of The Exception to the Rulers: Exposing Oily Politicians, War Profiteers, and the Media That Love Them, published by Hyperion.

This debate will be broadcast Sat. 9pm on CSPAN2 BookTV

[Taxloss]

115. Galloway is winning on points.

Not an outright romp home; but he is winning.

[Synnical]

116. Galloway to Hitchens: Were you lying in 1991

or are you lying now?

How can anyone take you seriously?

[Synnical]

120. Hitchens: "I was unpersuaded"

[i have issues]

121. I t hink Hitchens "water" bottle is full of vodka or gin, he's starting to

Slur....

[bpilgrim]

123. Which Part of Iraq is Gen. Myers from?

peace

[wtmusic]

126. Which part of Iraq is General Myers from?

Galloway is priceless

[Synnical]

127. Galloway: Robber Barons, Vulture Capitalists

Halliburton - do you think they will be leaving Iraq anytime soon? Do you think they intend Iraq to ever be free? They intend to have an Iraq Americana. And that's what you cannot stand.

[i have issues]

131. Why is'nt Amy stopping this drunken drivel ?

Answer the goddamn Question!

[Synnical]

129. Galloway: Occupation borders on racism

[myrmenki]

130. You're falling out of the gutter into the sewer

(Galloway to Hitchens)

[Synnical]

132. Hitchens: Galloway supports campaign of sabatoge and beheading

of journalists!

[kool kitty streblin]

133. ...

yup

[Synnical]

134. Hitchens: We're on the telly - I hope your mother isn't watching

as you shout me down.

[Just Me]

139. AND OUR MOTHERS WOULD BE PROUD,...YOU RIGHTEOUS,...

,...PRICK!!!

He dares to shame others who have a different opinion? What an ass!!! Who the hell does he think he is?

[Just Me]

143. So, now we know what Hitchens shares with the neoCONs: arrogance.

Absolute certainty and self-involvement in one's own being and existence. Arrogance is extreme authoritarianism.

[Synnical]

178. You have summed it up exactly

Thanks.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

135. Except Blanco did ask Bush days before and he sat and he sat and he sat

[AlamoDemoc]

136. Darn! you can tell Hitchens have been taking notes from

the republican-Rove-speaking-points

[AlamoDemoc]

140. Have you noticed that twice we were shown

Mr. Galloway using a handkerchief wiping his forehead...who's operating the camera there?

On edit: The cameraman is not doing justice for Mr. Galloway

[myrmenki]

150. We were shown Hichens wiping his forehead

with what appeared to be a towel rather than a handkerchief several times

The cameraman isn't partial

[bpilgrim]

137. brings up the Barbara Bush Quote - Calls hitchens a COURT JESTER

BB the modern day marie Antoinette

peace

[Just Me]

156. OMG,...how damned appropriate!!!!

Absolutely, SPOT ON. Barb IS a "modern day Marie Antoinette" and,...Hitchens is so totally the JESTER.

Galloway impresses me more and more,...everytime I read (in this case) or hear him. He is a powerful force for humanity AND DEMOCRACY.

He's *yummy*, too. Is he single?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

141. Hitchen's has the frigging nerve to say that our army of engineers

are working in Afghanistan, meanwhile our frigging levees failed here where they should have been working!

[Synnical]

142. Amy to Hitchens: re Katrina

Lack of response - troops not in New Orleans, did not respond. What makes you think the troops are any better in Iraq?

Hitchens: President cannot order troops into action. Governor has to ask the Governor. <boo>

[bpilgrim]

144. Amy 2 Hitchens: as you change your views is the M$MWs more friendly 2 u?

calls it a waste of a question

peace

[Synnical]

152. Galloway says it's a waste of an answer

[bpilgrim]

174. hitch

sorry bout that... by the way here is an mp3 recording of most of it for now...
http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/galloway_hitchens/g...

peace

[Synnical]

145. Galloway: Hitchens a mouthpiece and an apologist

for a government that cannot even pick up its own dead bodies. Mentions Babs remarks. "You're a court jester."

[wtmusic]

146. Hitch: "I'm just trying to think.... (Galloway laughs)

[Synnical]

147. Why does Hitchens keep bringing up that this is televised?

Keeps telling the audience to remember that. "I might get the impression that someone is trying to shut me up."

Yeah, keep whining, buddy.

[Just Me]

149. Incredibly, he is attempting to WIELD "guilt" against people.

He has become a man who seeks to impose his will through a tactic called "guilt". He does so, intentionally.

[K-W]

151. Because he is a sophist. All he has is rhetorical tricks and flourishes.

And the longer you watch him the more they stand out.

[Synnical]

148. Hitchens: Galloway is a Courtier of Sadists!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

153. It's amazing how Hitchens is using Moveon and Michael Moore as

radical examples! Neocon talking points. Just too funny.

[Synnical]

170. What's ironic/hypocritical is that he

said: "Mr. Galloway, may have enough in his memory as a socialist, which he has come to disgrace . . . when you take a position of solidarity with your comrades, you take it win or lose, up or down. You don't say I'm sorry . . . because Michael Moore said so, or Cindy said so . . "

When that is exactly what Hitchens did . . . he took a on a different philosophy when it suited him.

[LincolnMcGrath]

172. He attacked Cindy Sheehan as well.

[cyclezealot]

185. a bottle of scotch and Robert Murdock's money

enough to cause one to loose faith in mankind.. Hitch have a drink,it might clear your mind.

[AlamoDemoc]

154. There goes Hitchens: Using the talking points of Scottie

help the Iraqi people

[AlamoDemoc]

166. Ladies and Gentleman welcome to Hitchens' past journalism

I think we have learned a lot more than we have known of Mr. Hitchens on this debate; He has supported many Resistances throughout his creer...mainly, and limited to Vietnam communist resistance; The Algerian resistance against the French; The Palestinian resistance against Israel; The First Iraqi army resistance of America in 1991 (under George Bush Sr.)

There you have it!

[wtmusic]

155. Hitch bringing up discredited Oil-For-Food "bribes"

is that all you've got???

[i have issues]

159. Wow, All I can say after that is...

If Hitchens was on fire in the street, I wouldn't piss on him to put him out.

[Synnical]

177. Oh, stop that - of course you would!

Please.

[Just Me]

161. Is he hiding the fact that US multi-national corps benefitted?

Then, they got pissed 'cause Saddam cut them off.

I'll bet he'll never talk about the fat cat corporocrats who were bilking that program for all they could get.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

158. Ok, is it my imagination, or wasn't Galloway supposed to be given 5 mins?

[Synnical]

160. Galloway: The religious fundamentalists that Hitchens so opposes

are now in power in Iraq, by the invasion of Bush and Blair.

Alltali (sp?) is a religious fundamentalist - and he's in power now. I warn you to be careful what you wish for.

[myrmenki]

163. He was talking about Ayatollah Sistani

nt

[stlsaxman]

162. Galloway- Hands Down!

He kicked ass AND took names! Period.

[Ksec]

164. so was Hitchens drunk again or is he just gettin started on his binge?

[Synnical]

175. Not drunk, but definitely dehydrated

Which happens when you drink too much. He kept sucking on that water bottle as if it was mother's milk.

[Synnical]

167. Galloway: Attack and occupation of Iraq a crime and a blunder

that has made us much less secure, multi pied our enemies. And consider yourself privileged to witness this ridiculous spectacle of this popinjay who continues to support it.

[bpilgrim]

169. ------------- --------- -------- --------- --------- > MP3

http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/galloway_hitchens/g...

more...
http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3

psst... pass the word ;->

peace

[phusion]

171. Thanks, bpilgrim!

I missed the debate so this is a lifesaver!

[bpilgrim]

173. no worries

it is incomplete - mist the opening and the stream drops in a couple spots - so gotta look for a better one later



peace

[reprehensor]

176. Thank you.

So.

Was that the very best that Hitchens could do?

In my opinion he was unable to justify being a hypocrite and a liar, nevermind the invasion of Iraq.

And so, Galloway 'won'.

[bpilgrim]

179. I'd say Mr. Galloway CRUSHED the HYPOCRITE

the tribute vice pays to virtue

i say we need a poll ;->

peace

[0007]

180. Christopher Hitchens is a liar, and a self conceited drunk.

Galloway beat him hands down.

[wtmusic]

182. That's why Hitch relates to Junior so well nt

[slaveplanet]

183. meanwhile in Bizarro world

a link for the braindead

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1484635/posts?...

[Coexist]

184. I missed this - and I love Galloway - thanks for the blow-by-blow

much appreciated.