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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:19 AM
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Need help with photos of N.O. police state
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 09:15 AM by bos1
Especially such as the reports of police or whoever shooting over people's head and police or troops keeping people from leaving the Superdome or NO. If these reports are true, where are the photos?

Edit-- moved to "I'm looking for"
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:21 AM
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1. (the victims had trudged for days in the rain and flood)
It's possible that there were some cameras but most of us remember the two news guys who were hollering "let them out"
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:33 AM
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4. yes I know, but
for instance that incredible first hand account by the paramedics mentions news crews taking their photos and so there must have been some around to take photos of the cops shooting over people's heads, etc.
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:23 AM
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2. Go to Crooks and Liars for video of Shep Smith and Geraldo...
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 08:39 AM by ohio_liberal
...reporting from the convention center and one of the infamous bridges where people were not allowed to leave.

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-NO.wmv

Shep Smith: Why do the people on the easily accessible bridge not get food and water?

We've seen this, and we can smell it. I don't know.

They won't let them walk out of there.

They got locked in there. (he was standing above the convention center on a bridge)

They have set up a checkpoint at the bottom of this bridge. It's the only way out. Anyone who walks up out of that city is turned around. You are not allowed to go to Gretna Louisiana. The government will not let you do it.

Geraldo meltdown:

Look at this little baby. There are so many little babies here.

There's the freeway here. Let them walk out of here.

desperate, desperate needs. Six days later.

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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:31 AM
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3. thank you, but what I am looking for
are shots of what they are talking about. It's strange to me that during these reports there are none of the usual shots included of the padlocked doors that Geraldo mentions or the people being kept from leaving by police or troops or whoever he says it was. I would think that Geraldo would take the camera and get some background footage of these things.
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:35 AM
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6. You realize of course that the media was either not allowed
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 08:36 AM by ohio_liberal
and/or afraid to go into the Superdome and the convention center. Poor people who have left everything in their homes to escape a flood don't carry digital cameras or camcorders.

edit typo
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:38 AM
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10. yes but there are shots
from within the superdome, and Geraldo even reported on the things. So why didn't he turn his cameras on the police/troops?
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:30 AM
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16. Write to Geraldo and ask him yourself
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:33 AM
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17. worth a try I guess. I am sure Geraldo answers all this emails. NT
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:36 AM
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18. Well apparently no one here is giving you the answers you want
Go straight to the source.
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:43 AM
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19. true.
Will have to. I mean I have checked everywhere -- whatreallyhappened, prisonplanet, indymedia, democracynow, etc. I would have expected some blurry or distant or amateur shots, even with all the logistical problems involved. Just one good shot would be something for the Bush impeachment gallery.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:36 AM
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7. there are no padlocked doors on a bridge
yr question doesn't even make any sense
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:37 AM
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9. For chrissakes
Shep Smith was on the bridge. A Fox news anchor melted down on live TV. What more does anyone need?
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:40 AM
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12. this world runs on images. we need it, or else it might be spun away
as rumors and anecdotal evidence
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:48 AM
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13. So.....lemme guess what you transparent game is here...
no photos, it didn't happen.

have I got that pretty much right?

guess what, in New Orleans they aren't allowing photos of the recovery of the dead, so....I guess that isn't happening, either?

guess what, there were for a long time no photos allowed of flag draped coffins of soldiers returned.....so....I guess there were no soldiers killed in Iraq.

oH! oh! and guess what!!! there are no photos of God telling Pat Robertsont to assasinate Chavez, so....I guess that never happened..

oh, wait, that really DID never happen, sorry.


get thee behind me, bos1
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:50 AM
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14. how about reading the other posts
before continuing to make an ass of yourself
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:59 AM
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15. sorry, didn't mean to horn in on your territory.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:52 AM
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20. Works For Bush! Why Not For Bos1?
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 09:53 AM by DistressedAmerican
As we arcaeologists say, 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Bos, how about you take some shots of folks shooting over your head. Just stand there and get yourself shot. No pics is part of the game to these assholes. Just ask FEMA...
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:55 AM
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21. OK, I confess, I am part of an evil conspiracy.
Sheesh. Is this what happens when you post "need help" on DU?
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:33 AM
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5. photos are not proof of anything
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 08:37 AM by pitohui
ever heard of photoshop

if you are not willing to take new orleans mayor ray nagin's word that ppl were not allowed to walk into gretna after he gave them permission to leave the dome

if you are not willing to take the gretna sheriff's word that he did not allow ppl to walk into gretna & ordered the police to turn them back

if you are not willing to take the word of witnesses in the crowd who started walking & were turned back from crossing the bridge

why the hell are you going to believe a photo

no one there denies this story, the sheriff of gretna admits the story is true, his defense is that there was no food, water, or electricity in gretna, & this is why he closed the bridge

but you need a photo :shrug:

why don't you make yr own, since the next point of skepticism anyway will be to claim any photos are fake



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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:37 AM
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8. never said I don't believe it.
The Geraldo and other footage was esp. compelling. But it's weird there is not even one shot of it, and this world runs on images.

However, on Democracynow.org there is an article about reporters having their cameras taken away-- so it may be the images are being controlled. But in this day and age of home videocams and cellphone cams, there must be some images out there. Where?
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:40 AM
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11. don't know, don't care
i have sufficient evidence that the event occurred esp. since the person who looks most evil, the sheriff of gretna, has acknowledged on teevee that he did as described

life isn't always abt the art direction, we don't need a photo of every little horror & evil
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:14 AM
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22. here ya go...
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