So its the wealthy white people in NO that General Honore won't make leave

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05251/567892.stm

Old-line families plot the future
Thursday, September 08, 2005

By Christopher Cooper, The Wall Street Journal


NEW ORLEANS -- On a sultry morning earlier this week, Ashton O'Dwyer stepped out of his home on this city's grandest street and made a beeline for his neighbor's pool. Wearing nothing but a pair of blue swim trunks and carrying two milk jugs, he drew enough pool water to flush the toilet in his home.

The mostly African-American neighborhoods of New Orleans are largely underwater, and the people who lived there have scattered across the country. But in many of the predominantly white and more affluent areas, streets are dry and passable. Gracious homes are mostly intact and powered by generators. Wednesday, officials reiterated that all residents must leave New Orleans, but it's still unclear how far they will go to enforce the order.

The green expanse of Audubon Park, in the city's Uptown area, has doubled in recent days as a heliport for the city's rich -- and a terminus for the small armies of private security guards who have been dispatched to keep the homes there safe and habitable. Mr. O'Dwyer has cellphone service and ice cubes to cool off his highballs in the evening. By Wednesday, the city water service even sprang to life, making the daily trips to his neighbor's pool unnecessary. A pair of oil-company engineers, dispatched by his son-in-law, delivered four cases of water, a box of delicacies including herring with mustard sauce and 15 gallons of generator gasoline.

Despite the disaster that has overwhelmed New Orleans, the city's monied, mostly white elite is hanging on and maneuvering to play a role in the recovery when the floodwaters of Katrina are gone. "New Orleans is ready to be rebuilt. Let's start right here," says Mr. O'Dwyer, standing in his expansive kitchen, next to a counter covered with a jumble of weaponry and electric wires.

Boy that General Honore sure is a swell fellow, ain't he?

[NNN0LHI]

1. The poor black people are in lock down at the Astrodome or behind...

...razor wire in Utah while these rich people drink martinis on our dime with General Honore keeping them safe and delivering supplies. Nice, eh?

Don

[SmokingJacket]

2. Allowing people to stay is the only way to keep the city from being

bulldozed and handed out to Halliburton execs.

Making the city *inhabitable* should be the first order of business, not turning it into a ghost town.

[NNN0LHI]

5. Bring everyone back that wants to return and prove it then

Oh thats right they were underprivileged anyway and enjoy being on lock down at the Astrodome.

Don

[SmokingJacket]

10. Well I hope that snarky tone was not directed at me.

Anyone who wants to stay should be allowed to, poor or not, whomever. Keeping the poor and middle class out while letting rich fucks have their way is wrong. FUCK the government that is locking people down.

NO is the most incredible city I've ever had the pleasure to be in. It MUST NOT be turned into a rich man's playground.

[sui generis]

3. don't knock him just yet

I think what he's basically saying is that they aren't going to evict anyone who doesn't want to.

It's going to take another week or two to get out everyone who WANTS to leave, and they are going to try to convince people with fewer resources to do the prudent thing, and that is sensible.

By the time they're ready to "enforce" the order against the unwilling, a lot more of the city services will be back on and the point will become moot. The effort will likely then shift to keeping people from coming back into the city until there is a place for those people to go to, and even that order will dwindle as downtown starts to come back alive and people begin to return to what they can of their jobs.

[NNN0LHI]

6. These people are not going anywhere n/t

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[marbuc]

9. inapproriate

Stereotypes based on level of income/wealth are just as bad as those based on race, gender, and sexual orientation.

[sui generis]

15. welcome to the outer fringes of DU

it's like that here some days. Bitching about class warfare while engaging in guerilla class warfare. Go figure.

[sui generis]

17. hoping that people die horribly

is not a progressive value.

[Binka]

27. Right it is not a value at all it is an IDEA

Hoping that filthy nasty vile vapid and hateful reptiles die is just an idea. Nothing more nothing less. Please stop with the RW value BULLSHIT. The value notion is a cheap RW canard and as a progressive you should know better. Really.

[sui generis]

29. dear Binka

condoning the death of humans is not a progressive value.

I don't care (that was edited 10 times for civility) if you walk on water and raise the dead twice a day before breakfast, I don't associate your right wing talking points and your strawman response with progressive values.

I don't think associating people who have more than you do with reptiles is justification for killing them either, whatever you think of reptiles.

Your support of an out of line comment is worthy of judgement, and I'm judging it and the fact that it is still here.

[Binka]

36. Dude I Have More Money Than Gwad. More Than You Too. Shut Up!

NO MESSAGE. OH PS I have more money than reptiles! Wanna piss up stream.....check mate.

Hey just to edit how much money did you send Cindy......you are down there in Texas after all.......My family supplied a tent and generators for a fucking month....like to the tune of $4000 fucking bucks. What did you give. Shut up.

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[stray cat]

7. A large part of the city did not get flooded and is not at any risk

I think it is crazy to forcefully evict people who are in undamaged houses that have not been exposed to any flood waters. These people are only inconvenienced by no electricity or potable water.

[CascadeTide]

8. Honore shouldn't be evicting anyone

It should be the local law enforcement's job to do that. Can you imagine the precedent of allowing the military to evict people?

Edit: isn't he African-American also?

[NNN0LHI]

11. Its one thing to evacuate. Its another thing to keep bringing these ...

...people supplies while the city is trying to evacuate them with the rest of NO. Know what I mean? And yes Honore is black. Whats your point?

Don

[CascadeTide]

12. If they insist people leave they need to take them by force

As bad as that is, it's much better than trying to starve someone out.

If I were Honore I'd keep feeding those people.

[cynatnite]

13. My understanding is that Honore will not evict anyone

He stated active duty military will have no role in forcing people out. It'll be for the locals and state to deal with. I agree with this move by him.

[sui generis]

14. a breath of reason

yes that is exactly what he said. The rest of this thread is bait based on incomplete statements.

[NNN0LHI]

16. Honore said he would keep bringing these people supplies

Which only makes it harder for the city to get them to leave. But you already knew that. Yea, incomplete statements. </head shaking>

Don

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[NNN0LHI]

21. So you are saying it is just fine with you that Honore is keeping...

...these wealthy people supplied while the city is trying to evacuate them along with everyone else in NO? Right? Even though there are still people missing, dying, and in real need.

No, it is you who is being disingenuous. Nice try though. Perhaps you just don't realize it? But I think you do. See ya later.

Don

[sui generis]

23. You really are being biased

they are doing many things at once. The world isn't as polar and black and white as you would believe. If they deliver food and water to people in one neighborhood they're delivering to wherever there is dry ground to set it on. They ARE concentrating on missing and dying people but you would have us believe that they're just out standing around having a lovely mint julep and a game of badminton in the Garden District.

That's bias. And you keep mentioning "wealthy" people. Try trading out that word for "jews" or "gays" or whatever floats your boat. That's also bias AND generalization.

If you want to be outraged, aim it at FEMA and this administration. I think Honore is actually mitigating more death and destruction by not really following his orders, which were to go house to house. I also believe that if someone can show that they're not in danger or hungry, he's not going waste time and resources there that he could be using to convince someone else with a fever and eight feet of water in their living room and no food who needs to leave that they should leave. He's doing the right-est thing he could be doing right now.

He is saying if he does that, as you would also have him do, that MORE people who need immediate attention and assistance would die, and I believe that is a true statement. It's like triage - help the ones who need it the most first.

Eat The Rich is as damning as Eat The Poor, it is not a progressive value, it is an extremist value.

[NNN0LHI]

24. mentioning "wealthy" people. Try trading out that word for "jews" or "gays

:rofl:

[sui generis]

28. fine go ahead

you are clearly a person of tremendous insight and rational capacity as demonstrated by your lucid response.

:sarcasm:

Just as soon as you pick your yellow smilie ass up off the floor I'm sure you'll enlighten me.

[Tatiana]

19. Honore will not evict anyone, to my understanding.

It's the mayor who has called for a mandatory forced evacuation. And if that is the case, then these people should be evacuated too.

[thumperton]

20. well...

there's no need to evacuate people whose homes are still standing, right?

[Tatiana]

22. A mandatory evacuation is a mandatory evacuation.

Nobody should be exempted. And if these people fell ill to dysentery or e-coli and died, the local officials would get blamed for that too.

[Fescue4u]

31. And freedom is freedom. Property rights are property rights

mandatory smandantory.

If their house is fine, they have food and water and the gumption the stay, the government has no right to force them off their land, and onto some "reservation" of the governments choosing.

[geomon666]

26. Disease n/t

[oasis]

25. "General do you know what an inspiration you are for all Americans"

That was a question asked today by none other tha Kyra Phillips. She was kissing his ass big time.

I wouldn't be surprised if Rove was building up the good general to hero status, in order to have a potent ally in the upcoming joint hearings.

[oasis]

35. The general sure floats Kyra Phillip's boat. The corporate media is

pumping this guy up so Rove can use him for photo ops in the Rose Garden with Bush.

[NashVegas]

32. Would You Want to Kick Out Harry Connick Jr? Others?

Please note this part:

"the city's monied, mostly white elite is hanging on and maneuvering to play a role in the recovery when the floodwaters of Katrina are gone."

The upper socio-economic levels are all about public service, but in the south, especially, it seems like it. My own experience from growing up in a home that barely held its own against poverty is that those lesser-off are too busy thinking about how they're going to keep a roof over their own head, and working to do that, to spend much time and thought about how to improve everyone else's situation. I don't say that to be judgemental, it's just how it is in most cases. Not only do they not have the money, they don't have the social connections to get things done with a phone call. They don't even know who to call.

Is the situation financially exploitable for the richer folks? Sure. But as someone else said, if it's not them, it's Haliburton.

[Toots]

33. next to a counter covered with a jumble of weaponry and electric wires

Counter covered with weaponry??????

[sui generis]

34. and on a lighter note

hey Toots.

I've always wanted to say that to a DAME in public.

heh heh heh

oh god that was juvenile. sorry. :P