About the death count in NOLA...

[linazelle]

I've been saying all along that they will quash the number of fatalities.

Why?

If the numbers are extremely high, it will result in the biggest failure of the US Govt. in history. Bu$hCo won't let that fall on their heads--not publicly.

I'm thinking as long as they can keep it under 9/11, then bin Laden and Saddam will remain right up there in the anals as the world's worst.

However...

It is crucial that those bodies be counted.

These are the people who waited for help that did not come; whose families are in agony wondering where they are; who clamored to their rooftops to no avail; who now lie in the streets as their bodies rot and burst; who are being sent to morgues before they are dead and are hanging in trees that kept them from drifting through Lake Ponchatrain--these people deserve to be acknowledged.

These people died without dignity. The last indignity would be to pretend they never existed.

We cannot let Bu$hCo minimize this heinous crime.

[garybeck]

1. already happening

I was watching CNN... earlier today they reported that 100 people were found dead in a warehouse. then a couple hours later they came on and said it was only "a few" but wouldn't specify how many.

[Radio_Lady]

2. I'm sure you meant "annals" not ANALS, but it was unexpectedly funny

nevertheless.

Let's hope there are fearless journalists or others who are still taking pictures of dead bodies.

People will remember the names and addresses of their family and friends. Wouldn't you? Also, there is the little problem of Social Security checks... let's see how that is handled. Death benefits have to go to someone who applies. Living benefits have to go to some address or other, even if it's the Houston Astrodome.

[linazelle]

3. You know, I did mean annals, but anals is so much more appropo...

don't you think?

[dweller]

4. under 3000?

nobody, and i mean nobody with a funcioning brain cell, will believe it.

conspiracies will abound. They'll lose anyway.

dp

[mark11727]

5. Either way, both 9/11 and NOLA happened on *'s watch...

...and always, always, RIGHT AFTER ONE OF HIS VACATIONS.

Hell, I'd never let that man out of my sight again.

[Skittles]

14. UM

KATRINA WAS *DURING* HIS FIVE WEEK VACATION

[OrlandoGator]

6. Pffft...they passed 9/11 within the first hour after landfall.

If it's under 30,000 I will praise Jesus.

[melody]

7. It's going to hit the half million mark

Every computer scenario mapped out suggests 10% of the population of the affect area when impacted by a Cat 5 without intervention. We're looking at a half a million lost souls and the government knows it.

[never_get_over_it]

11. I think that is quite high

the models that I have heard about have said 50K - but whatever it is it will be WAY MORE than 9/11 which was 3,021 - and "they" won't be able to keep it quiet.

[melody]

15. The models I've seen say 10% of the population in the affected area

That puts it at half a million.

I hope to God you're right, though, and I'm totally wrong.

[never_get_over_it]

19. Is the population of the affected area really 5 million? eom

[melody]

20. numbers I have seen

You know, I'm going to pull these, because I don't have permission to quote his work, and I don't want to scare anybody, so lets just HOPE it's wrong. Lets just say the population of Greater New Orleans is 1.5 million.

I'd much rather it be 3,000, if it has to be any at all, but I'm prepared for worse.

[dweller]

23. one of the earliest projections

based on computer models from LSU specialists stated that depending on the number of those remaining in the area after evacuation (which i believe was est. 300K) projected as high as 1/3 lost to the storm. I don't know if that took into consideration all that would eventually die from after-affects, or just initially from the trauma.

i didn't see what you posted before edit. I'm just relating what i read on the day after the storm. I posted then we'd better all brace ourselves for the numbers, and have come to realize that we cannot, nor should we not brace ourselves, if that means numbing ourselves to the final tally, nor to the crisis this will bring to this nation.

the absolute tragic mourning will only preface the rage that will follow. Both will be devastating again.

dp

[melody]

25. there's also the flood factor

I believe other scenario projections were based on "any hurricane". There's the flooding and the abandonment by Federal officials to consider, too.

Whatever number, it'll be too high.

[glugglug]

26. I could see maybe 10% in New Orleans

meaning 150,000 there. But once you get above sea level, and away from the immediate coastline, the rate drops to become negligible.

That still seems high to me actually, but I would not be surprised for it to be > 100,000. It will NOT be 500,000.

Edit: I take that back:

It said on the news 60,000 refugees were in Texas, and that I think is the most common state for them to have been moved to. So lets say 100,000 total have been moved, that leaves the vast majority of the population unaccounted for: WOW! Maybe the insanely slow response brought the death toll way above that 10% mark.

[NYC]

27. Does your reckoning take evacuation into account?

The number of people in the area was lower than the population of the area because many had evacuated before the storm hit.

[kath]

12. but it wasn't a category 5...

[strategery blunder]

21. You're nitpicking

Maximum sustained winds were about 5 mph short of Cat 5 at landfall.

Furthermore, Katrina was a Cat 5 shortly before landfall.

Edit: I'm sure the relatives and friends of those ignored and dishonored by the likely coming cover-up would really care to make that distinction. :sarcasm:

[melody]

22. to be fair

I think she/he was just pointing out a factor in the scenario's variables.

You're right, though - in the end, people die one at a time, not by numbers. ANY amount is a crime, given the circumstances.

[PublicWrath]

8. we must send a committee to witness and document

the disposition of the bodies as found, their removal, and oversee the body count. If they are forbidding press photos and tightening up press access, this is the perfect time to demand a committee representing the residents of New Orleans.

[linazelle]

10. I agree...writing to our representatives may help. nt

[KLF44]

9. Mass grave for the dead?

I heard a few day's ago on CNN that they was talk of putting most of the dead in NO in a mass grave. I would not put it past Bushco to do this and if he does then this proves he's just as evil as Sadam was.

[flyarm]

13. i heard about the mass graves as well but i also read somewhere

that they weren't using the c130's planes at the airport for living people that they were stacking dead bodies to get them out of there to hide the true number of deaths..so i fear the deaths are already being hidden...

and cnn reported that their would be no autopsy's of the bodies going into the mass graves...

so those dear people in NOLA had no value to * before he starved and dehydrated them..he had no value for them whatsoever..alive or in their death...

i hate *
i hate * i hate*

:evilfrown: :mad: :puke: :grr: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

fly

[Lone_Star_Dem]

16. No way they could do that without cremation first

I apologize for being blunt, but until you begin to hear of the dead being cremated, that's just not a viable option.

Cremation and then "disposal" of the remains would not come as a great surprise to me at this point.

When you start hearing phrases like indigent burial used for masses, be wary.

[buzzard]

17. Counting the dead, I posted a few days ago a possible scenario

for making sure they are accounted for. I am still not sure how to implement this but surely if a person is missing or unaccounted for a database could be set up that allows anyone who knows of a missing person to report it at a central location. It would not require government supervision because it would be a sort of citizens collation of the missing or disappeared. Just a jumbled thought.

[linazelle]

18. Yes....one database of those who perished would account. Notice

FEMA isn't trying to help with this (or anything else for that matter) but you'd think the US Guvmint would try to set up something like this. So we have a lot of fragmented databases.

Maybe writing our reps and insisting on a live database of the missing...would at least account for everybody.

They could cross out the names as people are found.

[NYC]

28. Operation Reunite.

http://www.operationreunite.us/

Maybe one of these websites will rise to the top (like Google) so that there will be coordinated instead of fragmented information.

[countmyvote4real]

24. This is bigger than 9/11.

Anybody that has cable or the Internet has access to the weather channel or any number of related sources. The warnings and predicted devastation were there for all to see. No FOIA needed. It was all right there in front of you.

So if we saw it, why didn’t the big “eye in the sky” see it or at least see it the same way? Oh, right. * was on vacation. Just like 9/11. Bottom line: * does not care about our security. That’s just a ruse and a lie to make us feel vulnerable and need his false protection. We are really most vulnerable with his* lack of leadership. * is a coward, but loyal to a fault to all his cronies.

Does anybody else hear the French National anthem blaring in their soul? Our own Star Spangled Banner would a nice second, but it doesn’t really address the true threat to our society and our democracy.

The GOP hates the New Deal reforms and everybody that benefits from them. In fact, they hate themselves, but they are too bigoted to understand why they benefit. Their focus is much smaller. It’s on themselves and their perceived gain from the backs of the rest of the nation.

In their minds, they are so powerful that they can just ignore the destruction of a major city and port so they can redistribute the assets to their base. This is not a stretch. That was their motivation for the false invasion of Iraq. And we know how well that has worked out. Yeah, we can fight the terrorist there or here. Right. The * home game is even more impotent. Twice now… And that leaves thousands more dead to incompetence or indifference. The motivation doesn’t matter anymore. The pattern has been established. * hates the people because he knows he does not have a mandate or a majority of their vote. He is an exposed impostor that should be tossed out immediately with all of his sycophants.

[NYC]

29. French national anthem.

Marseillaise

Allons enfants de la Patrie,
Le jour de gloire est arrivé !
Contre nous de la tyrannie,
L'étendard sanglant est levé, (bis)
Entendez-vous dans les campagnes
Mugir ces féroces soldats ?
Ils viennent jusque dans vos bras
Egorger vos fils et vos compagnes !
Refrain
Aux armes, citoyens,
Formez vos bataillons,
Marchons, marchons !
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons !

Que veut cette horde d'esclaves,
De traîtres, de rois conjurés ?
Pour qui ces ignobles entraves,
Ces fers dès longtemps préparés ? (bis)
Français, pour nous, ah ! quel outrage
Quels transports il doit exciter !
C'est nous qu'on ose méditer
De rendre à l'antique esclavage !
(au Refrain)

Quoi ! des cohortes étrangères
Feraient la loi dans nos foyers !
Quoi ! ces phalanges mercenaires
Terrasseraient nos fiers guerriers ! (bis)
Grand Dieu ! par des mains enchaînées
Nos fronts sous le joug se ploieraient
De vils despotes deviendraient
Les maîtres de nos destinées !
(au Refrain)

Tremblez, tyrans et vous perfides
L'opprobre de tous les partis,
Tremblez ! vos projets parricides
Vont enfin recevoir leurs prix ! (bis)
Tout est soldat pour vous combattre,
S'ils tombent, nos jeunes héros,
La terre en produit de nouveaux,
Contre vous tout prêts à se battre !
(au Refrain)

Français, en guerriers magnanimes,
Portez ou retenez vos coups !
Epargnez ces tristes victimes,
A regret s'armant contre nous. (bis)
Mais ces despotes sanguinaires,
Mais ces complices de Bouillé,
Tous ces tigres qui, sans pitié,
Déchirent le sein de leur mère !
(au Refrain)

Amour sacré de la Patrie,
Conduis, soutiens nos bras vengeurs
Liberté, Liberté chérie,
Combats avec tes défenseurs ! (bis)
Sous nos drapeaux que la victoire
Accoure à tes mâles accents,
Que tes ennemis expirants
Voient ton triomphe et notre gloire !
(au Refrain)

Nous entrerons dans la carrière
Quand nos aînés n'y seront plus,
Nous y trouverons leur poussière
Et la trace de leurs vertus (bis)
Bien moins jaloux de leur survivre
Que de partager leur cercueil,
Nous aurons le sublime orgueil
De les venger ou de les suivre
(au Refrain)

[Rainscents]

30. If this was under Clinton, Republicans would demand body counts

investigations, firing of all the FEMA... Fuck yea, they would! They would all be scraming!