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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:01 PM
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I did not stop to help a * supporter today.
I had no idea how deeply my hate for that man ran. My lack of an interaction, with a * supporter is still haunting me a couple of hours later.

I was on my home and was on the ramp getting off the highway. I saw a mini-van on the side of the road. There was a lady standing next to the van and in her arms she held her child. I can only assume her mini-van had broken down. I don't know, perhaps with so many gad stations being out of gas, she had also run out. I slowed down and started to pull over to offer her a ride. At the very last second I noticed a "W" sticker on the back of her vehicle and I sped up and drove off.

I feel really bad as a human being. That child is not responsible for their parent's belief system. They are innocent and do not deserve to be out in the heat. (It is warm but not so bad that they would even break a sweat) I try not to punish people for what they believe.

On the other hand, so many hateful thoughts went through my head. I wondered how a person could see what was going on in NO and still have one of those awful stickers on their car. How could they support an awful excuse for a human being that has let our country down and is letting Americans die after they have made it through the storm? How can someone be so blind and so stupid?

I thought that if she loves * so much, maybe he would come along and help her the same way he is rescuing all of those poor people in the weather stricken part of our country. Let's see what her hero can do for her.

I never did go back. I was so upset with that sticker and with the fact that someone would support an idiot who is so clearly running our country into the ground.

So why am I writing this? It is not to boast, I really feel bad about passing this child and not picking up their mother. Perhaps it is for a catharsis of sorts? That would be an educated guess. I suppose it is because I feel conflicted and I am writing this to try and sort through what I am feeling. There are two emotional sides, for me, on this incident and neither seems completely right or wrong to me. Even writing this, I am still not able to work through what happened. I feel like I am floating between right and wrong and am unable to grab either side.

Thanks for listening.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:10 PM
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1. I understand how you felt
Next time, maybe pull over, offer help, and discuss frankly how wonderful it must feel that fellow Americans will pull over to help strangers, and how awful it is that the Bu$h (mis)Administration has left thousands to suffer and die in America. Keep talking loudly and hit as many points as you can. Either the Bu$hBot will learn something, or the Bu$hBot can tell you to leave and refuse your help. Either way, you win and have done the right thing.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:24 PM
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12. LOL! Love it! Make her a captive audience for a Bush rant! n/t
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:33 PM
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21. No matter who it is, next time I will pull over.
If both of our sides start acting this way then the country will be even more divided than it is right now. I don't know how freepers can act this way and not even think twice about it.

demgurl
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jrthin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:11 PM
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2. The fact that you feel
so troubled about your behavior suggest that you have a conscience. And I concede, * supporters truly test that conscience.
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TexanDem Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:19 PM
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9. at least you have a conscious about it.
They have no conscious. They're still hollering how this is those "stupid people's fault for living in a flood zone," for "not getting out," etc., making excuses of, "Too many unexpected things happened. It takes time to get things together. It was too overwhelming" -- your heart is good. Surely they got help soon behind you. Hindsight, yes, probably you should have stopped, but we can all certainly understand your conflict. Don't beat yourself up over it.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:12 PM
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3. If it makes you feel better..
I wouldn't have stopped, either. Last year at this time, maybe, but not any more. I just cannot stop thinking about the lack of compassion for the unfortunate that Bush supporters have in massive amounts, and I conclude that if pulling themselves up by bootstraps is what they stand for, who am I to stand in their way?

The baby does complicate things a bit...but I know if the woman was alone, she would get nothing from me.

It is wrong? Yes, it probably is, but that is how far I have come in hating * an all he stands for (inluding those that support him and his neocon death machine).
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:13 PM
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4. That wasn't "okay".
Understandable!! but not okay.

The mother quite likely, a few weeks ago, would have been quite willing to tell you how people shouldn't depend upon others to get along in the world.
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:13 PM
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5. It's understandable.....
...emotions are running high - nation wide. However, especially in a crisis like this it is important thaqt we do not become what we hate. We hate Bush for not helping those who need it, unless they support him. Let's not become like that. Sorry, if I sound like I'm preaching - but I have noticed that this kind of mentality is so easy to adopt - I been guilty of it myself.
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:14 PM
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6. I think you did the right thing.
They're harsh people who careless about other people. Let them get some of what they love. What goes around comes around.
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:31 PM
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16. *blank stare*
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:22 PM
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50. *chin drop*
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:53 PM
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71. *pants plotch*
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:14 PM
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7. I understand, demgurl.
Completely and totally.

The last few days have been REALLY difficult for me at work. I have been full of the most seething, white hot rage at these people-- the ones who were proclaiming their support for Bush before the election. Now they're all "Oh I sent so much to the Red Cross."

I feel like snapping "It's the LEAST you could fucking do, you selfish bastard. It's because of you and your selfishness that this happened."

One of them asked me this morning was I ok...I looked upset. I had just heard New Orleans' mayor on Air America in the car. I told her I was very upset about New Orleans and tried to turn around so my tears wouldn't show.

"Oh I know..." she began, "but they're getting relief in there today...."

And honestly, I turned around with HATE in my eyes, and through clenched teeth, said "That's NOT what I was upset about." We gazed at each other, and she knew EXACTLY what I meant.

But I've been cautioned before about politics. So I bit my tongue until it bled and left it at that.

Don't feel bad. We're liberals, but we're not stupid. I'm having a really bad problem with this too.

Next time, stop to help, do everything right, be the bigger person, and then when you're ready to drive off say, "You want might be intersted to know that you were just helped by a LIBERAL. It's what we DO. HELP people."

Try not to kick yourself too much. we're not perfect.
FSC :hi:
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:19 PM
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8. well trust me too many of them
feel the same about us!
Just the other day I was in the supermarket and a lady in a motorized wheel chair asked me to grab her some milk off the top shelf...I did and she thanked me, then I saw a flash in her eyes when she noticed the "stop the war" button on my shirt, but I shrugged it off. I asked my 9yr old son if he would walk through the store for awhile and help the lady, he was a bit shy about approaching her but wanted to help. I walked up to her again leaned down and offered my sons assistance, she looked directly at my pin and said "no, I don't need help!" with a snotty look on her face.
OUCH! I thought, well good riddance then you bitch!.........sorry I couldn't help the thought.


I feel your pain.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:36 PM
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24. Ouch.
Fucking bitch. That's what we get for trying to be nice.
FSC
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:49 PM
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69. "Ok, fine then. Can you give me that milk back?"
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:20 PM
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10. Tough call. Tell her to take the W sticker off and you'll gladly help
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:24 PM
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53. I was thinking similarly... "Renounce Bush and I'll help". n/t
n/t
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GaYellowDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:32 PM
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86. How is that any different from...
... church groups that do mission work contingent upon conversion? You should help people out of a desire to help people. Nothing more.
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Rude Horner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:20 PM
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11. I've never been put in that position...
but I can say that everytime I see one of those stickers, the hate that fills my mind is almost embarrassing. People I don't even know, and I see that sticker and all of a sudden I hate their guts.

Quit kicking yourself over it. She's not suffering anywhere NEAR what those people down south are right now.
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onecent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:28 PM
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13. I know EXACTLY how you feel and would have done the same
things, and I would have felt bad....but we didn't vote for this mess the U.S. is in and I'm damn proud of it.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:29 PM
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14. I can understand how you feel.
I was leaving a grocery store once. It was really quiet there with no one in the parking lot and no store workers outside at all. There was a person--- not in the handicapped area, not handicapped--- just struggling with their groceries. I started to help, then saw the W sticker. I put the bag down and said "I'm sorry. Republicans don't believe in helping people. Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps." Then I walked off. They were stunned. Amazing what happends when their policies are shown to them on such a simple, personal level.

I don't regret it, but then again, it was a grocery store. Instead of lifting heavy bags, they could have taken the items out one by one and put them in the trunk.

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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:31 PM
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15. I would have stopped, helped her and made her a captive
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 12:32 PM by jonnyblitz
audience to a virulent anti-bush rant. THat being said, I most definitely can't blame others for refusing to stop. the poor stranded baby can't help who his/her mother supports.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:31 PM
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17. Of course, make the children pay for their parents' choices
Don't look to me to say it was the right thing to do. Don't look to me to ease the guilt YOU SHOULD feel for making a child pay this price.

Take your guilt and leave it on your shoulders. You deserve it.
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:37 PM
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25. I really don't think the OP is looking to ease her guilt
It sounds like she's upset with herself for the situation and is trying to figure it out. It helps to "figure it out" if you can articulate what you've done and what you feel. I wish more people would examine their behavior in this way.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:41 PM
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27. Examine: Not acceptable behavior at all
What kind of people does this make us if we turn away from those who need help based on their politics?

She should be upset with herself. I was disgusted when I read her post.

Let's just go to the Gulf Coast and tell all those who need help that if they voted for bush, they will get no help from us. And we certainly won't help their children :sarcasm:

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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:59 PM
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34. It's pretty obvious to me
that she is upset with herself.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:20 PM
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46. She is upset with herself. That is why she posted.
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:38 PM
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26. cyna....
I actually wondered if I should post this story because I thought perhaps I was doing so to punish myself for what I did. I thought about people flaming me and how much I deserved it. I decided that because I felt the way I did, I would share whether people flamed me or not and that I would not take ridicule as a way to punish myself but rather as a way to accept the truth. I agree, I do deserve guilt. I totally agree.

dm\emgurl
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:44 PM
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28. It's all good...I'm frustrated myself...
but please, don't base your help like that ever again.

Feel free to contact me offlist and we can talk some more if you'd like.
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:07 PM
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38. cyna...
Thanks for the offer, I will write to you a little later. If you read my first reply to the first poster, I did say I will be helping everyone no matter what in the future. The person that did that today is not who I am. They are the ones that leave people out in the cold, not me. I will have to find a way to make this up. I will not be able to to that person but I will search for a way to help someone else in the next few days - no matter who it is.

demgurl
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:13 PM
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42. The difference between us and them is
when we do the wrong thing, we do feel guilty about it.

They never do.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:32 PM
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18. I had a "Christian" cut line in front of me to day at the only gas station
open in my area.

There was one woman in front of me and she took ten minutes to fill up her car.

I asked her if the pump was working and she said "yes".

She stood there another 5 minutes with the nozzle in her tank after her tank was filled.

Then she started frantically waving to her friend.

A large V-8 pickup cut me off and a woman jumped out with two 10 gallon gas cans (which she proceeded to fill).

She was wearing a t-shirt with fucking Scripture on it.

I yelled "thats a fine Christan thing your doing there..."

They ignored me.

I yelled at her her again - they still said nothing.

Finally, the attendant chased them both off (before they finished filling there 2nd container).

As they left, one of them yells "Jesus loves you!!" and they both cracked up.

unbelievable

:mad:





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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:06 PM
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37. Proof of the phony Christian...........
....go ahead, keep kissing Jesus's ass with cheap t-shirts.....that'll really get you to the afterlife.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:32 PM
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19. I'd have definitely done the same thing. I don't know that it is good
for my karma, but that's the way I feel. They don't seem to care about the dead in Iraq, or much of anything except gays not marrying and the rich getting richer.

The funny thing is, I always seem to get a lift or someone stopping to help when my car breaks down. Not republicans that I can remember, though, must be the DU sign and rainbow bumperstickers. I should "pay it forward" I guess...
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:32 PM
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20. I would have to force myself
I could not do it with a glad heart. I would only hope that it would make me a better person for it.

Your mixed emotions of rage, pity, and guilt are completely understandable...there is nothing to be gained by beating yourself up over them. If you feel guilty, vow to do better next time. Although I doubt whether you will change anyone's mind. Just do it because you believe it's the right thing to do.

There will be another opportunity, believe me. There will be many more.

Peace to you.
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smurfygirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:35 PM
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22. demgurl, next time stop and show that being a dem
means you are willing to help all people. I can't blame you though. I too have passed by people because of politics.

I have often wondered what type of karma it will bring me.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:36 PM
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23. At least you feel something
when you pass someone by. In this country, unfortunately, people have no second thoughts on passing by. You're fine. Don't beat yourself up over it. You can always call the police to help her.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:49 PM
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29. If she knew you didn't support Bush...maybe she wouldn't have accepted
your offer to help??

http://downingstreetmemo.com/
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kittenpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:52 PM
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30. I probably would have laughed evilly at her misfortune...
bwa ha ha...maybe bush will chopper in to save you! Except for that she had a kid with her... that would eat at my conscience a little bit. If you feel bad, you can always act differently next time. Don't beat yourself up... we can't always be perfect, but we can get better.
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Mitt Chovick Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:52 PM
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31. The freeptards found this thread
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:54 PM
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32. Freeptards: bush's brand of compassion kills daily! n/t
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. Oh, what a red herring........
.....more than likely a freeptard would have tried to run down a person in the same situation with a Kerry sticker.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:03 PM
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36. Some said they wouldn't stop to help us.
But, we're full of hate.

Is it wrong not to help your fellow man? Yes. It is wrong. And demgurl feels badly that she had that moment of judgemental lapse.

But what I love is how they said they would stop and help us... then one mentioned notice how the behavior in NO is different from the "red" areas. So, no, they are no more inclined to help people than their "leader."

If they are such caring people who would pull over and help, why isn't this philosphy reflected in their policies...?
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:07 PM
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39. Listen to the crickets
when they read this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

It's okay because freepers don't help "those" people. :eyes:
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:31 PM
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56. I refuse to go over there.
If they want to read here, that is fine but I will not venture into their territory.

I have already been told off by a brother-in-law who did not want to hear details of the torture in Abu. I have been told, by my father-in-law, that he is quite happy with the government torturing people and not to bother him with information about what the administration he voted for is doing. I have been nearly run off the road by a freeper and I have been told to leave this country and go somewhere else.

I have no time for what they have to offer and am ashamed that I copied them. I am the one who always brings food to the food bank. I am the one who protests on the street corner. I write to the editor and try to help my fellow human beings.

This is a new hour and a new start for me. I leave my hate behind because nothing can be accomplished with that. It is only when you truly forgive someone that you yourself are free.

I will not subject myself to anything they have to say.

demgurl
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:16 PM
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80. Well, then they should realize she said she felt bad about it, not proud.
Obviously, she is having a lot of sadness after the incident, and wondering if she did the right thing.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:23 PM
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84. LOl.. this reply is classic
"They are all psychotics. I need to figure out a way to make money off them."

Ha.. Hey Phantom Lord, you are too fucking stupid to make money off of me.

And for the rest of you freeps, you are all hypocrites. You are saying that you would have stopped to help this old hippy with a DU bumper sticker and a tye dyed shirt? Bullshit.

Here's another great Phantom Lord post:

"4.9% unemployment rate; nearly 70% of America lives in its own house(this is not only a record for America but for the world); we've liberated nearly 50-million-people from the hands of tyrants who treat WOMEN like dirt, and yet there is something wrong with all of these things according to the bleeding heart who wrote this missive about not stopping to help someone in need 'cause of the "W" sticker."

Liberated 50 million people? Then who is shooting at us? The terrorists? LMAO you are as ignorant as you are stupid.
Oh and the women? Maybe you missed the new "Iraqi Constitution" where no man made laws are to be above Islamic law. Guess what asswipe, Women are already saying that things are going to be worse for them now than they were under Saddam. How's that for spreading Democracy? You are free, as long as you have a dick. Oh and the employment rate? Um.. hate to break it to you but 90% of new jobs are in the service industry. Good thing you freeps like flipping burgers.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:30 PM
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85. If this douche wants to make money off a psychotic....
Maybe he ought to start making bets on how quickly Psycho-Prez is going to get his redneck ass impeached.
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:33 PM
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87. Message to Freepers:
Please put "Free Republic" bumper stickers on your car. That way, if I ever personally see one of you in a situation like this, I can swerve to hit you. I wouldn't care if you are holding a baby or not, you poison everything you touch and are not worthy of the air you breathe.

You are sick, sick, evil people and you deserve whatever the hell happens to you. You are right about one thing, though, I have no compassion. At least not for your kind. All my compassion is being spent on the HUMANS (something you are not) your kind have purposefully set out to maim, kill, and destroy. Everything has its limits, even compassion. You reap what you sow. Enjoy your harvest.

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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:03 PM
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35. *Bleep* her........
Another mommy van driving moron who wants to make sure she can keep filling her tank for years to come on the backs of some other American's son or daughter in Iraq.
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:11 PM
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41. Proud....
Maybe we can show them how to act if we act properly. When Laura Ingram announced she had breast cancer I did take the high road. I wrote to her and said that I was a Democrat but that I hoped she would be cured. I encouraged other people here to do the same and some said they would.

Just because they act this way does not mean we need to reciprocate in kind. We are the better people. Perhaps we can change a few minds along the way.

demgurl
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:11 PM
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40. Unfortunate decision. Understand it was made on emotion, but your
intelligence should have taken over. Regardless of a person's position in life, ideology, etc, we all need to reach out a hand to help when another of us are in need. God forbid you are ever in a dire situation and you are not aided because of who you are. I thought this was exactly the type of lack of character we criticize the conservatives for---their lack of empathy for other human beings. Of course they would feel no guilt, whereas you do, hence the need for you to open yourself to criticism on this forum.
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:24 PM
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52. Fla...
You are right, intelligence should have taken over. And this is one of the few times I could have picked up someone - I never do when my kids are in the car. I will call for help, but I will not expose my kids to anyone I do not know even if it is a cop car by the side of the road. Just so you know, a few years ago people around here were being pulled by fake cop cars so it is not that I am against cops or anything.

Even when I have been attacked by freepers, I have ALWAYS tried to turn the other cheek. When one of them verbally attacked me in front of my kids, I told my kids they should be happy they live in a country with free speech. I did ignore talking about the part where the freeper told me to leave the country.

When a freeper saw my bumper stickers and tried to run me off the road I again ignored it. I turned to trying to convert people I know.

You do not kick someone when they are down and that is something I have strived to insure these past few years. When a person needs help you give it if you can. It was very wrong what I did and I think I will go back to see if her car is still there so I can leave a note with an apology.

A person's character should be judged by how you act when no one is around and my character did not pass that test today. I will say there was a truck parked about 30 feet in front of where she was and I hope if she needed help that those men did help her. They were workers and at first it crossed my mind she might be with them but they were too far up for her to be with them. A gas station was just across the street but that does NOT excuse my actions.

It is what we attack conservatives for and we can not ask something of them that we are not willing to do ourselves. That would be hypocritical.

I hope it will not make her angry at Democrats but I have decided I will be going back and leaving a note of apology on her car.

Thank you for being so forthcoming with me.

demgurl

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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:03 PM
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76. I knew you were a good person when I read your note, you
just let your anger get the better of you. I hope I'll make the right decision if I'm ever in a similar situation. Do what you have to, to deal with it, then put it behind you.

:pals:
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tamtam Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:14 PM
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43. What if
What if that wasn't her van? What if it was a relative or a friends van that she needed to borrow? I understand your frustration but what if?
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:14 PM
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44. Your anger is understandable. So many dead and dying, we are all angry.
At least those of who actually have compassion for our fellow man. Such a senseless waste of humanity, it can drive any of of a bit batty. And a woman with a flat tire or out of gas, that just doesn't compare with the death and the destruction of people's lives that this administration and its' supporters have brought down around us. As angry as many of us are, it is probably best some of us don't stop, we are only human. The bushbots can help their own just as well as we can. I'm sure she was helped.

That probably doesn't help a lot, maybe just add a little perspective. I have no idea what I would have done if that happened today. After that idiot's smug and clueless pontificating on TV today, I just don't know.
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Brightmore Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:18 PM
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45. Jesus said it best...
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you... If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others?"
-Matthew 5:43-47
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:20 PM
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47. well, as a good Republican, they might prefer to be left on their own
Self-reliance and all, right?

Don't want to have to leech off of society.

They gotta pick themselves up by their bootstraps.
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Spock_is_Skeptical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:38 PM
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60. haha - exactly. nt
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:21 PM
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48. I would have helped, but....
I would have made damned sure she knew it was a bleeding heart liberal who stopped to help her.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:22 PM
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49. Understandable but not ok
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:23 PM
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51. Well, Republicans like to say they don't need anyone's help. n/t
n/t
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:28 PM
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54. i would probably have done the same thing. anything W is soo contaminated!
prior to sonny boy's sitting in the oval office, i'd always give money at the supermarket--money which was earmarked for the salvation army to help feed the poor.

after sonny boy stole the chair at the oval office, a cashier once asked me if i wanted to donate money to help feed the poor... i told him, tell sonny boy to give feed the poor with my tax dollars which he just gave to the rich and unneedy!

and angry too is how i feel about this collecting money from the private sector to help the stranded in NO. why isn't my tax dollar being used for that!?
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movie_girl99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:29 PM
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55. i understand..similar thing happened to me
I passed a lady in an SUV and she had the W04 sticker. someone had already stopped but I asked myself if I would have if they hadn't. I don't think I would've if she was alone but i might if she'd had children. I have a no "W" sticker and what an example it would have set for her and her future frrep kids...maybe.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:33 PM
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57. Well, in the future you should just put political beliefs to the side
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 01:35 PM by brentspeak
and just help whoever it is out.
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:36 PM
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59. Unfortunately it was all to real....
as was my reaction which shall never be repeated again.

demgurl
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:44 PM
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66. Eh, the incident is over, no further need to clobber yourself over it
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 01:44 PM by brentspeak
I've done things I regretted, as has the lady in the SUV, as have the other posters on this thread, and, needless to say, the Freepers on the other board. We're all the same.
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:34 PM
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58. Well as long you feel did the right thing
Thats what matters
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:40 PM
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62. Of course I don't.....
In fact after actually being able to write it out and think it over, I was 100% wrong and would take it all back if I could. In fact my response, to the first person who answered my post, was that I did wrong and that I will be picking up a person no matter who it is next time. That does fall within reason - I may offer to call the police for a male who is stranded.

I am not someone who usually stops to think about something before helping someone. I just talked to my husband about taking in people from NO who needed help. There were no strings attached as to how people voted, etc.... He did feel uncomfortable since we have two small children so we have donated money and I have contacted someone I know, from NO, to offer any assistance we can give to them or their family.

demgurl
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DoobieToo Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:40 PM
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61. How sad
you let politics override human compassion.
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:44 PM
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65. Too sad.
More sad is what it says about the type of person I chose to be today. Note that I do not blame it on anyone else. I acted that way and it was all my decision - no one else's. I do not care if her car was wallpapered with * stickers, that is no reason not to stop and help someone - EVER!

I guess that is what it is to be human. We do make mistakes - sometimes VERY bad ones but if we are smart then we will learn from them and then we try and become better. If you keep repeating the same mistakes over and over, you do not grow as a human being.

demgurl
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:41 PM
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63. if you were passed up because you had a Kerry sticker
How would you feel?


I really don't blame you though.. You're human and this is what it's come to in this country. But, you missed your chance to educate a repuke at how Liberals are what we claim we are.


I'm sure some rightwinger pulled over and helped anyway :eyes:
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:43 PM
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64. Sorry, but you did the same thing Bush did to New Orleans
He did not stop to help Kerry supporters this week
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:45 PM
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67. Exactly
It's hard not to draw comparisons.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:47 PM
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68. at least you feel bad - repugs and bush supporters
would not even give you a second thought.

After you help them, they'd still refuse to help others.

i do feel bad for the child though.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:51 PM
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70. You were kind.
In the mood I'm in I might have swerved to hit her.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 01:55 PM
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72. Maybe therapy would help.
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Mitt Chovick Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:00 PM
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73. You are famous. You made National Review Online
That bitch KaLo(sp?) called you deranged....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Mitt Chovick Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:01 PM
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75. WOOPS, Bad Link
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:35 PM
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88. Well they say...
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 02:38 PM by Vektor
We single out in others what we hate most about ourselves, and criticize it. Likely the "moran" criticizing the OP is deranged herself.

If she's too stupid to recognize that the OP said she felt bad about the incident, she out to turn in her keyboard and quit polluting the internet with her shoddy attempts at introspection. She clearly doesn't have the insight to comment on anything remotely complex.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:00 PM
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74. Ahem...
Liberal:
1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
3. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
4. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.

Understandable, I suppose. It seems as thought you've beaten yourself up over it enough. You're still carrying this emotion around, this much time later.
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100 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:08 PM
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77. I Commend Your Honesty. It Was Stupid.
That's all there is to it. When a human being won't stop for another human being because of who they voted for it's time to think long and hard! Anyone who says you should have offered on the basis of some guarantee, is basically nasty, I can't ally with that and still be a respectable participant. A lot of my friends here vote Conservative, and a lot vote for Blair, and it's the stuff of life that we all help each other out and pool our opinions.

What a shame! Wise up!
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:09 PM
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78. I would have done the same thing...except...
I would have done the same thing except I would have pulled over and asked her if she supported Bush. If she said yeah, then I would have said, "Then I'm only going to offer your baby a ride, not you." And if she refused, I'd tell her that she could call her little hero in the White House for help then. Then I'd speed off, leaving her behind.

Difference being I wouldn't feel any remorse. I'm beyond that. They are hateful people with hateful beliefs, and it would probably be best if the child was taken away and raised by someone else and she was left to fend for herself. In my eyes, Bush and those who still support him are not even Human. They do not deserve sympathy, pity or any other emotion devoted to humans. They aren't Human because they are incapable of feeling sympathy or pity for others.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:12 PM
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79. I understand your conundrum.
And yes, maybe it wasn't nice to speed by - sounds like afterwords though, you did feel bad about it.

Maybe another opportunity will arise to help someone, and you can assist.

We all do things we maybe aren't proud of in retrospect. That's how we live and learn.
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ferrisam21169 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:16 PM
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81. I feel so sorry for you
I generally don't post but this is so striking I was moved to.

Given what's going on in this country today it's inconceivable that you would do this.

How exactly does leaving a woman and small child stranded demonstrate your superiority over anyone?

People are more than their politics. History is replete with tragic examples from the left and right when society forgets that. When we start denying a person in need their humanity because of a bumper sticker we are going down a very ugly road.

Even if you could not 'lower' yourself to actually help them personally, why not call 911 on your cell?

Who benefited from this non-interaction? Not that woman and her child and certainly not you. I hope your example is a cautionary tale for others.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:23 PM
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82. No foul if she didn't signal to you she needed help.
If she did, you did the wrong thing.
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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:23 PM
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83. It is horrible that
* is stripping us of our basic humanity. But the people in the south are more in need of help at this moment.

Back to making up blankies for the babies: collection information at http://www.americanquilter.com/
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vazul Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:41 PM
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92. I hope not...
...but this really got me angry.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:39 PM
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90. W stickers and Rebel flags alike
Don't expect my help if you break down. Particularly if you have the rebel flag.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:45 PM
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93. Would you have stopped for someone with a Swastika bumper sticker?
It's not very different.

These people have declared a holy war on me, my family and my country.

Too bad about the kid, but we each get the family we get and must live with it.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:47 PM
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94. You'll do better next time honey - don't beat yourself up
You're only human. :hug:
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Tim4319 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:51 PM
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95. That is the sign of a true Democrat!
You didn't help someone in their time of need, and it bothers you! To me, that is a sign of someone who heart is in the right place! It shows you have conscience! I am sure, if the shoe was on the other foot, and you were stranded, that same lady would not have given two thoughts about stopping for you. She probably would not have even looked your way.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 02:54 PM
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96. Locking
Flamebait.
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